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What should be included in a "fuel system clean"?

Hyundai's Fuel System Cleaner appears to be the same as the Chevron Techron Concentrate.
Looking at your PDF attachment, I would say that "appears to be" is the understatement of the century.

The product I referred to (Chevron PRO-GARD Fuel Injector Cleaner with Techron) is slightly different in that it only claims to clean the injectors. I guess it is a little less concentrated than the Techron product, but not 100% sure.
 
Amazon now has the Chevron Techron Concentrate Plus Fuel System Cleaner - 20 oz. on sale for $7.00
 
Or you can just use Top Tier gas.

TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
USA Canada
76 Stations Chevron Canada
Aloha Petroleum Esso
BP Petro-Canada
Chevron Shell Canada
Conoco
CountryMark
Entec Stations
Exxon
Hawaii Fueling Network (HFN)
Holiday Stationstores, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mileage Stations
Mobil
Ohana Fuels
Phillips 66
Quik Trip
Road Ranger
Scheirl Oil
Shell
Texaco
Tri-Par Oil Co.
U.S. Oil
 
Genesis (or any modern car) does not have a throttle plate or carb, ....


Might not have a carburetor but I think you'll find a throttle plate unless you are talking about a diesel.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

RonJ
 
Or you can just use Top Tier gas.

TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
USA Canada
76 Stations Chevron Canada
Aloha Petroleum Esso
BP Petro-Canada
Chevron Shell Canada
Conoco
CountryMark
Entec Stations
Exxon
Hawaii Fueling Network (HFN)
Holiday Stationstores, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
MFA Oil Co.
Mileage Stations
Mobil
Ohana Fuels
Phillips 66
Quik Trip
Road Ranger
Scheirl Oil
Shell
Texaco
Tri-Par Oil Co.
U.S. Oil

From what I read, the use of Chevron Plus would be a periodic extra cleaning. (supposedly backed by technical expertise)

One question, though, MIXING the cleaners already present in the the premium gas with the cleaning concentrate may not lead to some conflict among the components?
Would it be wise to use it with the Chevron fuel?
 
The Chevron Techron Fuel Injector Cleaner 6 pack is on sale at Costco for $10, no coupon required. Cheap insurance.

Regarding the Top Tier fuel retailers, an engineer from Chevron posted in another forum that he recommends and practices never using the same brand of fuel for more than a couple of fill ups. Apparently the brands all have different additives and switching it around a bit will decrease the probability of buildup of stuff, especially in the injector area. Interesting to note that the additives are the only thing that differentiate some fuels from each other as a single refiner may produce products for several retailers.
 
Might not have a carburetor but I think you'll find a throttle plate unless you are talking about a diesel.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

RonJ
Technically, I think you are correct. But in a fuel injected engine with drive by wire, I don't think that the throttle plate would get any fuel injector cleaner that was put in the gas tank, so I am not sure if it is relevant. Also, I don't think it is subject to gumming up to anywhere near the same degree as if the throttle plate was in the carburetor.

Here is an explanation I found on Wikipedia (I believe the Genesis has "drive by wire," but not 100% sure):

In fuel injected engines, the throttle body is the part of the air intake system that controls the amount of air flowing into the engine, in response to driver accelerator pedal input in the main. The throttle body is usually located between the air filter box and the intake manifold, and it is usually attached to, or near, the mass airflow sensor.

The largest piece inside the throttle body is the throttle plate, which is a butterfly valve that regulates the airflow.

On many cars, the accelerator pedal motion is communicated via the throttle cable, to activate the throttle linkages, which move the throttle plate. In cars with electronic throttle control (also known as "drive-by-wire"), an electric motor controls the throttle linkages and the accelerator pedal connects not to the throttle body, but to a sensor, which sends the pedal position to the Engine Control Unit (ECU). The ECU determines the throttle opening based on accelerator pedal position and inputs from other engine sensors.​
 
From what I read, the use of Chevron Plus would be a periodic extra cleaning. (supposedly backed by technical expertise)

One question, though, MIXING the cleaners already present in the the premium gas with the cleaning concentrate may not lead to some conflict among the components?
Would it be wise to use it with the Chevron fuel?
Hyundai Fuel Injector cleaner sold in Hyundai parts departments is the same stuff as sold by Chevron. The Hyundai bottle even says it contains Techron (a proprietary product that is a major component of Chevron Fuel Injector Cleaner). Also, the shape of the bottles is identical. So I don't think there would be any problem using any brand of high quality gas with the fuel injector cleaner, even if it worked slightly better with Chevron gas.
 
Technically, I think you are correct. But in a fuel injected engine with drive by wire, I don't think that the throttle plate would get any fuel injector cleaner that was put in the gas tank, so I am not sure if it is relevant. Also, I don't think it is subject to gumming up to anywhere near the same degree as if the throttle plate was in the carburetor.

Here is an explanation I found on Wikipedia (I believe the Genesis has "drive by wire," but not 100% sure):

In fuel injected engines, the throttle body is the part of the air intake system that controls the amount of air flowing into the engine, in response to driver accelerator pedal input in the main. The throttle body is usually located between the air filter box and the intake manifold, and it is usually attached to, or near, the mass airflow sensor.

The largest piece inside the throttle body is the throttle plate, which is a butterfly valve that regulates the airflow.

On many cars, the accelerator pedal motion is communicated via the throttle cable, to activate the throttle linkages, which move the throttle plate. In cars with electronic throttle control (also known as "drive-by-wire"), an electric motor controls the throttle linkages and the accelerator pedal connects not to the throttle body, but to a sensor, which sends the pedal position to the Engine Control Unit (ECU). The ECU determines the throttle opening based on accelerator pedal position and inputs from other engine sensors.​

You are quite correct that the fuel injector cleaner will be of zero benefit to the throttle body. However, the mass airflow sensor located in the intake system between the air cleaner and injector can still get gunked up depending on driving conditions and how often the air cleaner is replaced. A dirty mass airflow sensor can adversely affect economy and will eventually throw a code. I don't think the 5.0 has a mass airflow sensor but the 4.6 does. Not sure how easy the mass airflow sensor is to access on these engines but they are typically not too hard to access and clean with a spray can solvent.
 
Hyundai Fuel Injector cleaner sold in Hyundai parts departments is the same stuff as sold by Chevron. The Hyundai bottle even says it contains Techron (a proprietary product that is a major component of Chevron Fuel Injector Cleaner). Also, the shape of the bottles is identical. So I don't think there would be any problem using any brand of high quality gas with the fuel injector cleaner, even if it worked slightly better with Chevron gas.

This makes a lot of sense.
I will proceed in this direction.
As I have a Chevron station near me will use them.
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The Chevron Techron Fuel Injector Cleaner 6 pack is on sale at Costco for $10, no coupon required. Cheap insurance.

Regarding the Top Tier fuel retailers, an engineer from Chevron posted in another forum that he recommends and practices never using the same brand of fuel for more than a couple of fill ups. Apparently the brands all have different additives and switching it around a bit will decrease the probability of buildup of stuff, especially in the injector area. Interesting to note that the additives are the only thing that differentiate some fuels from each other as a single refiner may produce products for several retailers.

Somewhere in this group someone comments that the Hyundai (Techron) fluid is the PLUS version. (7.00 at Amazon).
Same stuff. Higher concentration.
 
There is an extremely wide range of corrosive properties between different brands of fuel system additives, and that is likely why some manufacturers specifically prohibit their use entirely.

For example, Seafoam, a very good product on carbureted and cars before the mid-early 2000 models, will destroy high pressure fuel pumps on some DI equipped cars because it is simply too harsh. The Chevron product would be a safe bet with a fuel system warranty claim issue because it could be shown to be what Hyundai uses.
 
Somewhere in this group someone comments that the Hyundai (Techron) fluid is the PLUS version. (7.00 at Amazon).
Same stuff. Higher concentration.
If that is true, maybe just use the Fuel Injector Cleaner at a higher concentration per gallon of gas. You get 6 bottles of it in the package sold at Costco for $10 (membership required).
 
The throttle plate cleaner in question is to clean the butterfly valve in the throttle body.

This unit actually does get quite a bit of build up and gunk. It comes from the crankcase ventilation tube.

NOTE:
When cleaning the throttle plate, make sure to only open the throttle plate with the ignition set to on (not running) and depressing the accelerator pedal, NOT WITH YOUR FINGERS/TOOL. If it does not open using this process, DO NOT MANUALLY OPEN IT!

Some vehicles tend to idle rough if you manually open the throttle plate in a cable-less system, requiring you to reset the throttle position sensor.
 
The throttle plate cleaner in question is to clean the butterfly valve in the throttle body.

This unit actually does get quite a bit of build up and gunk. It comes from the crankcase ventilation tube.

NOTE:
When cleaning the throttle plate, make sure to only open the throttle plate with the ignition set to on (not running) and depressing the accelerator pedal, NOT WITH YOUR FINGERS/TOOL. If it does not open using this process, DO NOT MANUALLY OPEN IT!

Some vehicles tend to idle rough if you manually open the throttle plate in a cable-less system, requiring you to reset the throttle position sensor.

I'm glad you made this post. I felt as if the car had to have a throttle plate (body) but was told it didn't. Or am I off base about the throttle body? If so, please explain as I'm gonna' be way confused if it's not this way.
 
I'm glad you made this post. I felt as if the car had to have a throttle plate (body) but was told it didn't. Or am I off base about the throttle body? If so, please explain as I'm gonna' be way confused if it's not this way.

Inside the yellow circle is the throttle body, where it has a butterfly valve that controls airflow into the engine.
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From my experiences, half of every electronically controlled throttle body that is opened manually has a rough idle afterwards requiring a total system reset.
The throttle position sensor loses its calibration and it is an absolute headache.
DO NOT OPEN IT MANUALLY!
I can not stress this enough.

What I will be doing tomorrow on my 4.6 is a total fuel system cleaning. Something we do where I work. I like the service, I believe it helps but it also isn't just dumping cleaner into the fuel tank.

Valvoline Professional Series (VPS) Complete Fuel System Cleaner.
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Using the Throttle Body cleaner, I will be scrubbing the debris (if any) from my throttle plate without opening it. If it will open with assistance using the accelerator then I will clean inside.

I will then hook up an "IV" drip to the vacuum line that comes off of the brake master cylinder to slowly introduce the Intake Cleaner to the intake valves which will remove any carbon deposits. This allows for better flow and can help increase fuel efficiency. (NOTE: Not necessarily fuel economy)

The Fuel Injector bottle will go in the tank, which helps remove any sulfur buildup inside the tank as well as clean the lines. This will help prevent malfunction of the fuel level float as well other parts.

The results will be posted.
Most of the time when performed properly, a large cloud of white smoke exits the exhaust and during this time it runs roughly. These are the results I am hoping to achieve. This is a big sign of a good cleaning. Some cars do not smoke as much but that isn't a bad sign either.
 

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So that will be similar to doing a seafoam treatment then correct? With the addition of manual cleaning of course.
 
According to the service writer that recommended I do this, they remove and soak the throttle body to remove carbon caused by less than tier 1 fuel (Chevron, Shell and Union 76). They charged me $7.66 for the cleaner, and $112.29 for labor.
I use premium and rotate between brands as well as the Amzoil fuel system treatment.
 
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According to the service writer that recommended I do this, they remove and soak the throttle body to remove carbon caused by less than tier 1 fuel (Chevron, Shell and Union 76). They charged me $7.66 for the cleaner, and $112.29 for labor.
I use premium and rotate between brands as well as the Amzoil fuel system treatment.

Since I cannot do that work myself, that doesn't sound unreasonable. However, I'm not sure where I would trust to do this job. I'll talk with my service writer and see what she can find out for me.
 
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