EPA finds Hyundai, Kia overstated gas mileage

[CHuntMD]

Genesis is on the list.

Here is the link

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012...i-kia-overstated-gas-mileage/?intcmp=features

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[PMCErnie]

Oh, swell.

 

[stewdog]

Still enjoy the car, great to get a kickback.

 

[Mark_888]

It doesn't say whether it is the Genesis Sedan or Coupe (or both):

The changes affect 13 models from the 2011 through 2013 model years, including seven Hyundais and six Kias. Window stickers will have to be changed on some versions of Hyundai's Elantra, Sonata Hybrid, Accent, Azera, Genesis, Tucson, Veloster and Santa Fe models, as well as the Kia Sorrento, Rio, Soul, Sportage and Optima Hybrid."

The companies will find out how many miles the cars have been driven, find the mileage difference and calculate how much more fuel the customer used based on average regional fuel prices and combined city-highway mileage. Customers also would get a 15 percent premium for the inconvenience, and the payments would be made with debit cards, Sprague said. The owner of a car in Florida with a one mpg difference who drove 15,000 miles would get would get a debit card for $88.03 that can be refreshed every year as long as the person owns the car, Sprague said.

If all 900,000 owners get cards for $88.03, it would cost the automakers more than $79 million a year.

For information, owners can go to http://www.hyundaimpginfo.com or http://www.kiampginfo.com​

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Sounds like a bunch of whiney BS to me.

On the highway, I get what my sticker says and sometimes more. And that's when crusing at 70 - 75 MPH. I usually pull 27 but have seen 29 at times.

 

[Mark_888]

Sounds like a bunch of whiney BS to me.

On the highway, I get what my sticker says and sometimes more. And that's when crusing at 70 - 75 MPH. I usually pull 27 but have seen 29 at times.

There is no confirmation yet that the Genesis Sedan, or the Genesis V8 are involved in the error.

 

[scottdk]

There is no confirmation yet that the Genesis Sedan, or the Genesis V8 are involved in the error.

Here ya go....... Looks like the 4.6 and 5.0 have changed -1 MPG below are for 2012 models and the 2013 I have now added.

 

[Aquineas]

A bigger annoyance to me is the fact that I can't find actual gasoline anywhere near where I live, which pretty much guarantees that I'm going to get on the low end of the mileage estimates anyway.

 

[Mark_888]

Here ya go....... Looks l like the 4.6 and 5.0 have changed -1 MPG

Looks like only 2012 models are affected. Since the 4.6 is also included, I wonder if it was the transmission change or the tires (didn't they switch to Michelins in 2012, or was that before that?).

 

[Mark_888]

A bigger annoyance to me is the fact that I can't find actual gasoline anywhere near where I live, which pretty much guarantees that I'm going to get on the low end of the mileage estimates anyway.

I have never checked the EPA website to see if they are required to use 10% ethanol gas in their tests. Would be interesting to find out.

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[GenesisCaptain]

Looks like only 2012 models are affected. Since the 4.6 is also included, I wonder if it was the transmission change or the tires (didn't they switch to Michelins in 2012, or was that before that?).

They switched to Michelin Energy Saver A/S for the 18" wheels in 2012. These are supposedly low rolling resistance tires (Prius folks love them), and if anything, they should have improved efficiency.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

So riddle me this Batman.

If the city and the highway milage does not change, how does the combined change?

2012 R spec: city 16 hwy 25 comb 19

new is City 16 Hwy 25 comb 18.

As stated, I consistentily get 27 on the highway at 70+ MPH. Does that mean I owe them?

To me, this just sounds like another means for a bunch of beaurcratis to shut down a company in another country. Or at least stop their imports to us. We're shooting ourselves in the foot over and over. And if you read the verbage on the window sticker, it clearly states that your milage may vary from that posted. So why all the big hoopla? Somebody wants something for nothing once again.

 

[UmALum1990]

The MPG estimates were miscalculated due to: "The fuel economy rating discrepancies resulted from procedural errors during a process called “coastdown” testing at the companies’ joint testing operations in Korea. Coastdown testing simulates aerodynamic drag, tire rolling resistance and drivetrain frictional losses and provides the technical data used to program the test dynamometers that generate EPA fuel economy ratings."

So nothing to do with the tires or transmission, they jsut screwed up and are owning up to their mistake. Kudos to them!

 

[UmALum1990]

No one is asking for "something for nothing," Crusty, the company is just owning up to their mistake. I have actually heard people say that the Avg MPG the car calculates is off from calculations these owners have made, so the 27 you are getting on the HWY may actually be 26!! LOL

 

[Mark_888]

They switched to Michelin Energy Saver A/S for the 18" wheels in 2012. These are supposedly low rolling resistance tires (Prius folks love them), and if anything, they should have improved efficiency.

They Michelin Energy Savers may be "low rolling resistance tires" but maybe not as low as the Dunlops. Why else would they have used such crappy and harsh riding tires (Dunlops).

 

[Mark_888]

So riddle me this Batman.

If the city and the highway milage does not change, how does the combined change?

2012 R spec: city 16 hwy 25 comb 19

new is City 16 Hwy 25 comb 19.

I think you mean that new comb is 18. I assume it has to do with fractions and rounding. For example, the highway could have been reduced from 25.4 to 24.6 (both rounded to 25), and when the combined formuala is applied that reduces it from 19 to 18.

As stated, I consistentily get 27 on the highway at 70+ MPH. Does that mean I owe them?

Yes it does. I am acting as their agent, so please PM me and I will tell you were to send the money.

 

[Mark_888]

So nothing to do with the tires or transmission, they jsut screwed up and are owning up to their mistake. Kudos to them!

I don't think it is accurate to say that they are owning up to their mistake, even if it is technically true at this point in time. They would have faced the following if they had not done this:

• government fines
• class action lawsuits (which would include many more millions for the lawyers on both sides
• very bad publicity

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Corrected it Mark.

Acording to the article, the EPA received "about a dozen" complaints. That's about 12 out of 900,000 cars sold. So why is this even an issue.

And as I stated before, go read the small print on the sticker. It clearly states that this is just an estimate, your milage may vary. So as far as I'm concered, nothing needs to be done. Or at the most, change the sticker on new models.

I haven't heard that the milage claculator is off. When I check it against my fill up gallons to miles driven, I come up with the same MPG as the dash states. I've done this a few times when taking long trips just to check it and since they matched, I haven't disbileved it yet.

I'll stick with my statement, someone wants something for nothing.

The bigger issue that they don't understand, the lawyers will get most of the money.

 

[Mark_888]

Corrected it Mark.

Acording to the article, the EPA received "about a dozen" complaints. That's about 12 out of 900,000 cars sold. So why is this even an issue.

I don't think the average person is in a position to conduct the equivalent of an EPA mileage test and know for sure that it is off. If automakers can fudge the numbers, so long as only a few people formally complain to the EPA, does that make it OK? Wouldn't that result is chaos and every manufacturer faking the EPA numbers? Don't forget, these numbers are used for CAFE compliance as well.

Why does it bother you that Hyundai is restating the numbers to be in compliance with proper EPA testing guidelines?

 

[BlueGenny12]

Looks like we get a debit card that reimburses us for the life of the vehicle.