2014 Cadillac CTS priced

[dareaction]

The next gen CTS-V will utilize a supercharged variant of the new LT1 6.2 V8 debuting in the 2014 C7 Corvette. This CTS "V-Sport" was designed to compete directly with the competitors middle range V8s. BMW 550i not M5, Audi S6 not RS6, MB E550 not E63 AMG etc...

 

[Advocate225]

The next gen CTS-V will utilize a supercharged variant of the new LT1 6.2 V8 debuting in the 2014 C7 Corvette. This CTS "V-Sport" was designed to compete directly with the competitors middle range V8s. BMW 550i not M5, Audi S6 not RS6, MB E550 not E63 AMG etc...

Exactly.

 

[YEH]

We don't really know what would have happened if there was no government bailout of GM. Certainly GM would have gone bankrupt, but they went bankrupt anyway, so not sure what the difference would have been (other than the US saving $10 billion).

Every major US airline has gone bankrupt, except for Southwest Airlines. Going bankrupt almost always did not stop their operations or cause massive layoffs, it just allowed them to discharge their debts. These bankruptcies were done without government subsidies. Among the majors, only Eastern Airlines ceased operations (mainly because they could not get union concessions). Most major foreign airlines are government owned.

Big difference was that at the time, the credit markets had pretty much frozen so the only game in town was the Fed (actually can thank Wall Street for the govt. having to bail out GM and Chrysler, much less initiating the economic downfall which led to carmageddon).

As for the $10 Billion, that would have been the cost in unemployment benefits, lost tax receipts, etc. for just 2 years if GM had stopped operating as a going concern and the cost to the rest of the economy would have been even greater.

Anyway, expect the 3G CTS to be the leader in driving dynamics/handling for the midsize segment as it is built on a lengthened version of the Alpha platform which underpins the ATS.

The V-Sport w/ the TTV6 should be one heck of fun drive, much less the CTS-V which will be ridiculous (Hyundai should launch a proper performance trim of the 2G Genesis - say, for the MCR - don't need to go all out insane as what Cadillac is going to do w/ the CTS-V but a TT Tau would do the trick).

While the 3G CTS has gotten bigger to compete in the midsize segment, it, nonetheless, is on the smaller end when it comes to rear passenger room whereas it seems like the Genesis will continue to be on the larger end of the segment.

 

[powert]

No, not only too expensive, but Cadillac is still on my "no buy" list because of the government takeover which disregarded bankruptcy law, basically giving the company to the unions and screwing over the preferred bondholders.

Totally agree. No way I'm buying a government motors vehicle. Plus, they are sooo danged ugly.

 

[YEH]

Bingo, to your whole post. The bailout was not about saving GM or the auto industry. It was about preserving the current union position and power. I am confident that if they had allowed this to take it's course and have a true reorganization, private investors would have RUSHED in to buy these assets and a new GM, or admittedly another name company, would have risen from the ashes without the burden of mandatory unions. Yep, like Boeing, they may have moved the whole thing to Alabama, but the resulting company would have been so much more able to compete against the companies who are not having to pay for the whole union structure and costs.

You do know that the UAW gave up quite a bit as well?

GM is now able to not only build a compact profitably in the US, but a subcompact (the Sonic) as well.

Anyways, based on the early reviews, it seems that the 3G CTS is the new king of the hill when it comes to driving dynamics in the class.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The new Cadillac CTS, like the ATS, is a world class vehicle. It's taken Cadillac a LONG time to "come back", but it has. Considering the CTS V-Sport has a twin turbo v6 (and a fairly large V6 at that), it's going to be very "mod-able". There will be some VERY fast V-Sports on the street.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

The new Cadillac CTS, like the ATS, is a world class vehicle. It's taken Cadillac a LONG time to "come back", but it has. Considering the CTS V-Sport has a twin turbo v6 (and a fairly large V6 at that), it's going to be very "mod-able". There will be some VERY fast V-Sports on the street.

I think the engineering in the C7 says a great deal about what Cadillac can do, and it will be interesting to see how many design and materials techniques in that car will bleed over into other GM cars.

 

[ImInPA]

It is not often that the automotive press is very kind to vehicles not from the Fatherland. The ATS has received very high praise as a real 3 series competitor. The ATS platform is truly world class. The new CTS is also modeled off of the ATS platform, in much the same way the C-class and E-class Mercedes share a common platform. Cadillac seems to be back. The initial reviews on the new CTS are also very positive, and, a few of them even rate the new CTS above the vaulted E-class and 5 series. It has taken Cadillac a long time to get it right, but, remember, they were once the "Standard of the World". It would be great to see a full return of Cadillac to that standard. Lincoln needs a serious RWD/AWD platform or else they are doomed. It would be foolish to be in the market for a mid-sized luxury sedan and not look at the Cadillac offerings. Just my opinion.

 

[Aquineas]

So for those opposed to the "liberal GM bailout" are you equally prepared to hold Citigroup, Bank of America, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, and JPMorgan accountable? Are you seriously angrier at Unions than you are the overpaid MBAs on Wall Street who are large contributors to the financial crisis in the first place? (And yes, it's a little off-topic, but so is most of the other Fox News dribble in the thread that's gone unchecked by moderation).

Government Motors or not, the CTS is looking like a nice car, because it's got some decent engineering behind it. It may not be up to the level of the German big-3 (yet), but it's a lot closer than past efforts. Let's focus on cars, not brain-dead political ideologies.

 

[Cut-Throat]

so for those opposed to the "liberal gm bailout" are you equally prepared to hold citigroup, bank of america, fannie mae, freddie mac, aig, and jpmorgan accountable? Are you seriously angrier at unions than you are the overpaid mbas on wall street who are large contributors to the financial crisis in the first place? (and yes, it's a little off-topic, but so is most of the other fox news dribble in the thread that's gone unchecked by moderation).

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[Sal Collaziano]

I agree that we stop discussing politics here. It will do no good for the community or any of us.

A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

The ATS hits the mark in every aspect except there's no BMW 335i competitor. The 335i is a turbo v6 and Cadillac doesn't have one of those right now. The twin turbo v6 going into the CTS V-Sport is probably going to power the ATS-V. It appears Cadillac will not have a 335i competitor at this time. I don't like that - but what can ya do? The ATS is a great car and Cadillac has done what no other competitor has done yet - they've topped the 3-Series - but they fall short of one model - the 335i.

The new CTS is likely going to do the same. The only thing holding back Cadillac is recent history (80s and early 90s). The CTS-V beats the M5 around the Nurburgring. The mighty M5 fell. Who ever saw that coming?

More notes... The XTS is not Cadillac's flagship. Cadillac 'technically' has no flagship at this time - unless you don't mind giving that title to the Escalade. A new full-size premium rear wheel drive flagship with an optional V8 is on it's way. This car will take on the S-Class, 7-Series, A8, XJ and LS. Anyway, this is why pricing seems a little weird with the CTS and XTS.

Also to note, the new CTS is technically a replacement for the midsize STS (Seville). Nobody on Earth understands why Cadillac didn't name the ATS - CTS and the new CTS -STS... It makes very little sense. One single bad generation and Cadillac's old "flagship", the midsize (yes, strange for a flagship to be midsize) STS, is cancelled. Same with DTS (DeVille). The XTS is just a new name for the DTS. If you want to be technical, you can consider the upcoming full-size flagship a replacement for the Fleetwood Brougham.

 

[jailer]

The ATS hits the mark in every aspect except there's no BMW 335i competitor. The 335i is a turbo v6 and Cadillac doesn't have one of those right now. The twin turbo v6 going into the CTS V-Sport is probably going to power the ATS-V. It appears Cadillac will not have a 335i competitor at this time. I don't like that - but what can ya do? The ATS is a great car and Cadillac has done what no other competitor has done yet - they've topped the 3-Series - but they fall short of one model - the 335i.

Exactly. If these magazines and consumers will compare EVEN with the powertrains, then you can see this GM Turbo V6 absolutely DESTROYS the German Turbo V6's. This is what was such a shocker IMO. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE.

So , Imagine if GM had put this Turbo V6 and 8 speed Aisin in the top NON-V ATS to make an even comparison to the 335i. The GM Unit is TOO POWERFUL.

I mean.. that is PRETTY FREAKIN' BADASSS IMO !

 

[Fast55]

Nothing against GM (I own one and have had lots more), but I wouldn't risk breakin' an arm patting each other on the back for finally having a 335i beater when that car has been around (along with the turbo I6) for going on seven years. The latest magazine comparo panned the ATS for some major flaws. The turbo 6 in an ATS would definitely make it the "V" and it would have to recognize the M3/C63 as it's competition, not a 335i or a C350. They've come a long way since embarrassments like the Cimarron, but the ATS/CTS/XTS are playing in the big leagues and charging accordingly. Nice cars no doubt, but they don't have the 25-40% price advantage of a Genesis/Equus with their intended competition, so they had better be damned good.

 

[PMCErnie]

Great to learn that GM will be reimbursing shareholders who took a bath in the bankruptcy.

 

[roblaw]

Agreed. As I noted in a separate string, the new CTS appears to be nice looking with a quality interior and a well sorted suspension. However, at pricing that appears to be as high or higher than then established players, while being not appreciably better (which needs to be borne out by tests of the mainstream models and not just a first drive of the TT), Cadillac is taking a huge risk.

This is the prestige market and Cadillac, even with their vastly improved products over the last 10 years, still trails the high end marques in many ways (whether it is the ludicrously small trunk and backseat of the ATS or the less than rock solid chassis of the XTS). They have not quite sweated enough of the details to charge the same as BMW, Mercedes and Audi. By no means are there not flaws in those brands but the overall driving experience, interior quality and performance (as well as ownership experience) is still superior to Cadillac by a noticeable margin.

Most of us here purchased our Genesis not because it was better than BMW, Mercedes or Audi (or had a better ownership experience) but because the Genesis is a very nice car for a price vastly below what the high end German manufacturers are charging for a vehicle that is better but not drastically better for what we use our cars for most of the time. Some of us have had bad reliability experiences with those cars as well and will never buy those cars for that reason.

However, it would be very rare on this forum to hear that a Genesis owner, given the current vehicle and ownership experience, who would pay what the German cars cost for the Genesis experience. We are getting 85-90% of the experience for 60-70% of the price. And the Genesis overall, despite the deficits it has, is a pretty decent car.

Cadillac needs to prove themselves again. Their most recent efforts do not warrant BMW prices. Maybe the CTS will be as good a car as the more expensive German manufacturers. But at the prices they are charging they need to be better than the German products to make up for years of not hitting the mark. With not quite competitive drive trains (excluding the TT V6), I think they are not there and will either be forced to cut prices, throw big money on the hood of the CTS or suffer very modest volume. And they need the CTS to be high volume because this is their mainstream vehicle.

And I respect everyone's political opinions but there are probably better forums to discuss whether one agrees or disagrees with what our politicians have done for (or more accurately to) this country in the last few years.

 

[larry'sown]

Fully optioned 2014 CTS:

2.0T: $66,420
3.6L: $69120
3.6TT: $71090

I acknowledge how good the CTS seems, but that is a lot of money compared to the Genesis. Even if the 2015 R Spec hits $55K, it will still be one hell of a bargain. It should be noted that the base CTS only comes with a 6 speed auto.

 

[sdunnin]

Fully optioned 2014 CTS:

2.0T: $66,420
3.6L: $69120
3.6TT: $71090

I acknowledge how good the CTS seems, but that is a lot of money compared to the Genesis. Even if the 2015 R Spec hits $55K, it will still be one hell of a bargain. It should be noted that the base CTS only comes with a 6 speed auto.

I priced a 2.0 2014 on their site http://www.cadillac.com/cts-sport-sedan.html and fully maxed out all premium options including engine block heater and got it up to:

2014 CTS Sedan 2.0L Turbo Engine RWD
Price$68,520*
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That indeed does seem steep for a Caddy. I agree, even though a fine car they'll be discounting them eventually.