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Oil Consumption in '12 R-Spec

From reading through this post from the beginning, it seems like the problem is not on all of the engines...it's only been happening on a small %...
I would not say it is a small percent for the 5.0 V8. I don't recall seeing it mentioned on this forum at all for the 4.6 V8 over a period of about 4 years, but a surprising number of 5.0 V8 owners have experienced high oil consumption.

Also, that does not answer my question. Has Hyundai made some manufacturing change to reduce the likelihood of this happening on 5.0 engines being made right now?
 
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I would not say it is a small percent for the 5.0 V8. I don't recall seeing it mentioned on this forum at all for the 4.6 V8 over a period of about 4 years, but a surprising number of 5.0 V8 owners have experienced high oil consumption.

Also, that does not answer my question. Has Hyundai made some manufacturing change to reduce the likelihood of this happening on 5.0 engines being made right now?

You'd need an answer from one of Hyundai's engineers about that...
 
From reading through this post from the beginning, it seems like the problem is not on all of the engines...it's only been happening on a small %...

From what I've read here, the majority of the 5.0's use oil. Running 5/30 or 10/30 syn, depending on your climate, takes care of the problem for the most part. Oil usage is reduced to less than a qt in 5K

John M
 
Just took mine in today for the oil consumption testing, the beginning anyway. Have to keep taking it back every 500 to 1000 miles to have oil level checked. I'll tell you this, the oil is going one of two places 1) Leaking, which I see none of on the ground. 2) Burning it through the cylinders because of oil blow by in the ring seals. If someone knows another reason, I'd sure like to know, but I do know this. It isn't disappearing into thin air that's for sure. I switched to full synthetic 5w-30 at last oil change and it still used almost 2 quarts.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't an easy way to see if you have bad ring seals is just to pull the plugs and look for oil foul? If it's there then BINGO!!!! Replace the engine. Instead, they put you through this back & forth BS checking oil levels, doesn't make any sense. Plus, am I wrong, or does it seem like these problems are just on the 1st generation 5.0's that were built for 2012 year in late 2011? Or doesn't anyone know the answer to that question? I'm also going record a heavy acceleration and see if any blue smoke comes out, if it does, then the answer is obvious. Gonna have my daughter behind me when I punch it and she'll have the video camera in her car to record what comes out. I'll keep you all informed on how this goes. One thing is for sure, Hyundai will make this right or it'll get ugly for them. Thanks for all your posts and help.
 
In my opinion, oil on plugs isn't the BEST way to check for bad ring seals, a compression test it. If compression is uneven, add a few tablespoons of oil to cylinder and recheck. If compression goes up, the seals are definitely bad.

If spark plugs have oil on them, I've noticed it's usually from valve guides leaking.

One thing that has always had me perplexed on this issue, is that if the oil is getting past the ring seals, why isn't there signs of blue-ish smoke out of the exhaust?
 
One more thing. What is this BS that it's NORMAL to burn a quart of oil in between oil changes. I have a 2012 Sonata, 2013 Sonata, 2012 Elantra & a 2012 Kia Sorento EX V6, and NONE of them use any oil in between oil changes.....NOT ONE DROP!! My service manager at Jones Hyundai in Bel Air Md told me today that a quart of oil in between oil changes is normal by MFG standards. REALLY??? He said Subaru's do the same thing and it's considered normal. WHAT??? Oil consumption is never normal, at least that's the way I learned it, and I'm old school at age 52. So I don't know what this BS is about oil consumption being normal. If it's normal, why wasn't I told that it would burn or consume oil when I bought the car? Had I been given that info at the sale, there would've been NO SALE!!! I do think that this is a good test for Hyundai to see how they step up to the plate, because you can advertise 10 years 100,000 miles all day long, but if you don't back it up, then it's just words.
 
Thanks for the info. The R-Spec issue really seems to be a hit and miss item...not present in every car. I'm really starting to think it's a ring seal issue.
I thought it was a ring seal issue too, however, it would smoke blue smoke when I punch it, and there is nothing that comes out, just a bit of carbon, then clean as a whistle. With that said, the oil has got to be going somewhere, it's not just disappearing into thin air.
 
I don't know the Tau 5.0 setup but I have general engine knowledge/experience from many other cars. Get a small flashlight and eyeball the hoses/pipes going to the oil cooler. Often a small leak on those fittings is hard to spot because oil may not flow through the oil cooler until an oil-specific thermostat says the oil is hot. So running in the driveway may not get the oil hot enough to have it pumped through the cooler. Several high-speed highway miles should do the trick.

A problem in the engine's crankcase breather system (PCV) and/or excessive blow-by that pressurizes the crankcase shoves oil through the PCV valve where it ends up getting burned and expelled with the exhaust. A cylinder leak-down test (dealers know what this is) will easily identify a cylinder with bad/defective piston rings; leak-down tests are more reliable than simple compression tests. In a nutshell, the leakdown test is:
1: remove the spark plugs
2: manually rotate the engine so the cylinder being tested is at "top dead center" which means the piston is all the way UP, all intake & exhaust valves are closed, etc... in the normal 4-stroke cycle the "power stroke" would be about to begin.
3: an air compressor hose connects to the spark plug hole via a mechanism with two pressure gauges and a small valve/orifice between them. This orifice limits how quickly air can move through the mechanism. Imagine filling a plastic bucket with a garden hose turned on full-blast - it'll fill quickly, right? If that bucket had a quarter inch diameter hole in the bottom you'd still be able to fill it with the hose on full-blast but it'll take a little longer. Next, imagine trying to fill that bucket (with the hole) while the faucet is barely turned on: that little hole may drain faster than you can fill the bucket. The leak-down tool's "orifice" mimics the faucet being barely turned on. The quarter-inch hole represents leaks in the piston rings and/or valves of an engine cylinder. In a healthy engine, the hole is really tiny - i.e. there are only very minor leaks inside the engine - so the air pressures before and after the orifice end up pretty close (bucket is full). If the engine leaks more than it should, the second pressure gauge will read low because the orifice-limited airflow can't fill up the cylinder.

By the way: "blow-by" is air+fuel combustion products that squeeze past the piston rings and end up in the crankcase. All engines have a little blow-by; worn or defective engines have a lot more. The PCV system allows these fumes to get sucked into the intake manifold of the engine where those fumes will then get sent to the cylinders again to be burned. The PCV system flows a little bit of air volume... which is supposed to be much higher than the "normal" blow-by volume. This keeps the engine crankcase (area below the pistons, where the oil and crankshaft live) at a slight vacuum. Excessive blow-by though overwhelms the PCV, causing combustion pressures to build up in the crankcase. That in turn shoves the oil around, possibly through the PCV valve where the oil gets burned... or it shoves oil past the various engine seals/gaskets leading to a messy engine and stains on the garage floor.

I've also seen engines that use "oil separator" devices (again, I don't know if the Tau 5.0 has one; many turbocharged engines do though since PCV systems can't work with a turbo-pressurized intake manifold) leak. The oil separator basically separates crankcase fumes from atomized oil - it's just a tank with 3 ports: inlet from the crankcase that may have oil droplets along with the blow-by gasses, a drain at the bottom that sends separated/captured oil (from those droplets) back to the oil pan, and a port mid-way up that hooks to a non-pressured part of the intake tract. If the oil drain hose is missing, you'll have a slow oil leak ONLY during conditions where the PCV can't function - i.e. high-power driving - so it's hard to diagnose in the shop/garage.

mike c.
Awesome write up my friend. I'm sending this to my service manager.
 
My car is a '12 which I bought as a demo on 11/12. I'll have to check to see what the manufacture date is.
She continues to burn oil at a rate of 1qt/1k miles. I'm at 13k and planned to go to a full synthetic (5w-30) at my next change, which I thought would solve the issue. The jury remains out...

Great info guys!!
 
My car is a '12 which I bought as a demo on 11/12. I'll have to check to see what the manufacture date is.
She continues to burn oil at a rate of 1qt/1k miles. I'm at 13k and planned to go to a full synthetic (5w-30) at my next change, which I thought would solve the issue. The jury remains out...

Great info guys!!
Did exactly that, 5w-30 Full synthetic and 1500 miles so far since last change and haven't lost a drop.
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Did exactly that, 5w-30 Full synthetic and 1500 miles so far since last change and haven't lost a drop.

This gives me even more reason to believe the problem lies within the piston rings.
 
Did another oil change with full syn 5/30.

IMO, the 5.0 really like fresh 5/30 full syn. :)
 
I'm undergoing the Hyundai oil consumption test right now. When they (Hyundai Dealer) did the oil change they used Mobile 1 5w-30 for the test. I'll take it in 8/29/13 for its first 1k miles check. I think they said they want to check for 3k miles.
Mine used 2+ qts over 4k miles of 5w-20 synthetic Quaker State oil.
I'll report what happens after my test is over.
 
I'm undergoing the Hyundai oil consumption test right now. When they (Hyundai Dealer) did the oil change they used Mobile 1 5w-30 for the test. I'll take it in 8/29/13 for its first 1k miles check. I think they said they want to check for 3k miles.
Mine used 2+ qts over 4k miles of 5w-20 synthetic Quaker State oil.
I'll report what happens after my test is over.

I just changed over to Mobil 1 (5w-30) just yesterday and will see how it does compared to the dealers 5w-20.

I had my wife drive the car with me behind her and I could see black smoke coming from the exhaust as she accelerated. Their was also a strong smell of burning rubber (not the tires).

The manufacture date of my car is 2/12.
 
I changed he oil to synthetic 5W30 and was getting ready to see a drop in the MPG but after the last two tank of gas I have seen an increase in MPG by a little more than .5mpg. I have not driven enough yet to see a drop in the oil level but will keep track of it. I have ~15.5K miles and 2013 model.

Thanks
Kim
 
I also get from time to time the "burnt rubber" smell (not from tires, driving hard, or belt). I also notice it with new DI Audi, VW, and a couple if others when behind them. The smell I get when not running in traffic comes when windows open and wind from the back. All these companies need to tweak the DI programming. I cannot see how they pass the emission tests.

Might explain some if the soot we see on our cars and the real dark inside pipes of Other Brands with DI.
 
I just changed over to Mobil 1 (5w-30) just yesterday and will see how it does compared to the dealers 5w-20.

I had my wife drive the car with me behind her and I could see black smoke coming from the exhaust as she accelerated. Their was also a strong smell of burning rubber (not the tires).

The manufacture date of my car is 2/12.

Well it's been 1,200 mile since I switched over to synthetic and I am sad to report that I'm down 1.5 quarts :mad:

Spoke to the service manager and he said they would like to do a consumption test at the next change.
This is sad news because I really like the car.

Anyone have any results from their consumption test?
 
My oil consumption test will be done next Tuesday (3k miles). So far at 2k miles its only used 1/2 qt. I think the thicker oil (viscosity) of the 5w-30 they used has helped it burn less oil. Hyundai dealer says Hyundai said its not an issue unless it burns more then 1 qt. per 1k miles. So they are not worried about it so I guess I wont be. I'll just have to check it more then I used to. I'm going to go back to the 5w-20 for my next oil change (winters coming up) and see if it starts burning more again. If so, then I'll try the 5w-30 again and see if it burns less again. Over all I think it just likes the thicker oil. Next summer I think I'll try 10w-30 (hot here in Texas) and see how the consumption is.
 
My oil consumption test will be done next Tuesday (3k miles). So far at 2k miles its only used 1/2 qt. I think the thicker oil (viscosity) of the 5w-30 they used has helped it burn less oil. Hyundai dealer says Hyundai said its not an issue unless it burns more then 1 qt. per 1k miles. So they are not worried about it so I guess I wont be. I'll just have to check it more then I used to. I'm going to go back to the 5w-20 for my next oil change (winters coming up) and see if it starts burning more again. If so, then I'll try the 5w-30 again and see if it burns less again. Over all I think it just likes the thicker oil. Next summer I think I'll try 10w-30 (hot here in Texas) and see how the consumption is.

My R-Spec gets a year around routine of 5-30 full synthetic with no problem in Minnesota winters. No cold-oil flow or noise at startup, no oil burning, etc. If you have any history of burning oil, I would not recommend going back to 5-20 anything.
 
My oil consumption test will be done next Tuesday (3k miles). So far at 2k miles its only used 1/2 qt. I think the thicker oil (viscosity) of the 5w-30 they used has helped it burn less oil. Hyundai dealer says Hyundai said its not an issue unless it burns more then 1 qt. per 1k miles. So they are not worried about it so I guess I wont be. I'll just have to check it more then I used to. I'm going to go back to the 5w-20 for my next oil change (winters coming up) and see if it starts burning more again. If so, then I'll try the 5w-30 again and see if it burns less again. Over all I think it just likes the thicker oil. Next summer I think I'll try 10w-30 (hot here in Texas) and see how the consumption is.

Unfortunately using the heavier oil has not helped. I'm beginning to develop a pessimistic attitude towards this the future of this car. I don't think the fix is going to be a heavier oil.

Please check your inside door sticker and let me know what the manufacture date of your car. Mines is 2/29/12.

Thanks!
 
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