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shopping for a genesis sedan i think??

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Hello all , I am looking for a everyday sedan to replace my old Honda accord and the genesis is a sexy car.. I have trolled the forums reading things about the issues with the car ... the couple questions I have are :
: is there a better model year or a worse model yr to buy?
: is there a better/ worse motor?
: do you love your car ?
: is there any serious signs of problems I should listen for when test driving?

I really want a well appointed 4 door car im also looking at the kia optima.. I just really want to do my homework here before buying I have a maintenance hungry M5 summer car and don't need another that I have to rely on everyday...

thanks guys for the help..its much appreciated
kevin
 
Just traded my 09 accord for a low mileage 2011 4.6 sedan. Great ride.

It's no M5 in the turns, or sport seating...but makes the 100 mile commute tolerable with all the amenities for a decent price.
 
If a car makes a "pocketa pocketa "sound during a test drive, don't buy it.
 
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If a car makes a "pocketa pocketa "sound during a test drive, don't buy it.

I have the same question as firbster. Does Hyundai do a 150 point check for the car which I am buying, I know they would charge a premium but I wanted to make sure that I am not ending up on a lemon.
couldn't find anything in their website, called them up but they said its too late and I will have call back tomorrow ? Anyone have an information about it ?
 
I have the same question as firbster. Does Hyundai do a 150 point check for the car which I am buying, I know they would charge a premium but I wanted to make sure that I am not ending up on a lemon.
couldn't find anything in their website, called them up but they said its too late and I will have call back tomorrow ? Anyone have an information about it ?
If you buy a CPO (certified pre-owned) car from a dealer, then it is supposed to go through a comprehensive check. Not all cars sold by dealers are CPO.

However, based on several posts in this forum, it is apparent that not all dealers actually do the checks, but they will fix any problems you find with the car while still under warranty.

With a CPO car, the drivetrain warranty is same as original owner (10 years or 100K miles whichever comes first), otherwise it is same as regular warranty (5 years or 60K miles). Audio/GPS/Entertainment systems are warrantied for 3 years or 36K miles. See the Hyundai website for warranty information.
 
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120k miles on my 2011 4.6 vs with tech pkg. Great car. I want to keep her another 120k.
 
Bought a 2011 4.6 a couple of hours ago. Same situation--wanted a comfortable daily driver. Obviously I'm not sure that I made the right decision yet, but it seems like it is a comfortable bang for the buck car. Jack of all trades, master of none. But you have your M5 for that, and I have a Jag XKR, so maybe the Genesis (I'll never call it a Genny) is an appropriate compromise.

If you search long enough you might find that some aren't too happy with the ride of pre-2012 on other than highways. Supposedly the suspension had some changes in 2009, 2010 and 2012. The ride is somewhat subjective probably based on what you are used to driving, and where.
Good luck in your decision (and mine).
 
If you buy a CPO (certified pre-owned) car from a dealer, then it is supposed to go through a comprehensive check. Not all cars sold by dealers are CPO.

However, based on several posts in this forum, it is apparent that not all dealers actually do the checks, but they will fix any problems you find with the car while still under warranty.

With a CPO car, the drivetrain warranty is same as original owner (10 years or 100K miles whichever comes first), otherwise it is same as regular warranty (5 years or 60K miles). Audio/GPS/Entertainment systems are warrantied for 3 years or 36K miles. See the Hyundai website for warranty information.

It's been my experience that CPO cars go through the same cosmetic inspection and refurbishment that most dealers do to their used car inventory. The only thing that makes a CPO car different is the warranty the dealer buys (and charges you for in higher sales price) that covers more than the normal used car. Also, CPO cars tend to be newer, have fewer miles and have a minimum of wear and tear.

Personally, I think you'd be better off taking any car you want to buy to a trusted independent shop for a thorough examination. A warranty is nice but it won't help if the car spends a lot of time in the shop after purchase.
 
: is there a better model year or a worse model yr to buy?
: is there a better/ worse motor?
: do you love your car ?
: is there any serious signs of problems I should listen for when test driving?

In my opinion... V8 TECH is the only way to go. So with that said:

The 2012 4.6 = best year, engine, feature, and suspension combo. The only downside is the 8-speed transmission can be slow to react when flooring the throttle from a 10-25 mph rolling start (i.e. when it needs to downshift). A mid-2012 ECU/TCU patch did improve the behavior, so checking the VIN with a dealer or pay $20 to HMAservice.com to pull the telematics info can tell you if the patch was done.

The 2012 was the "mid-generation refresh" model year with the newer head and tail lights and slight mods to the grille and rocker body panels. The 4.6 was a tech trim, but not R-spec in 2012, so you can get the luxury look wood grain interior, and smoother riding suspension if you prefer that option. The 4.6 comes with no risk bumper soot and oil burn issues that plagued the early 2012 5.0 engines. GDI issues with valve carbon buildup have yet to crop up on this forum. Suspension harshness starting with early 2009s was improved in 2010 and fully corrected by 2012.

Ultimately it comes down to what driving style you prefer - if you want a smooth, luxo ride and low risk of engine issues and are not bothered by the occasional slow shifting transmission, then the 2012 4.6 is your car. If you're an aggressive sporty driver, then go with 2013 Rspec or 2011 4.6.

As long as you go with a 2012 or newer, you will have warranty left on the radio/head unit (3/36) and all other bumper to bumper (5/60). As others have said CPO is needed to get the 10/100 powertrain warranty.

Early 4.6's on rare occasions could misfire on start up (due to an ECU bug) that would result in internal engine damage in very rare cases. Sonatas had this problem far worse! Easy to tell if the engine is damaged as the car will have a very loud tick at idle (like a bad lifter or crankshaft bearing) - all modern engines tick a little (from injectors), but engines with this problem are easy to hear from the outside with the hood closed and obviously loud compared to another similar model. If you're not sure, go test drive a similar MY car at a dealer to hear a comparison. All Genesis through 2012 (I think) have been recalled for brake fluid and HECU module inspections (ABS control unit) - failures result in temporary loss of brakes or soft brake pedal slowly going to the floor. Dealers will upgrade the fluid to DOT4 and replace the HECU at no charge under the recall.

So in summary (for the V8s):
2009 - 4.6, 6 speed. Harsh ride. Very rare "tick of death" engine issues. Tech & Premium trims are optional. HECU/brake recall.
2010 - 4.6, 6 speed. Improved ride. Tech & Premium trims are optional. HECU/brake recall.
2011 - 4.6, 6 speed. same ride as 2010, but improved feature set. Tech trim standard on V8 now has adaptive cruise and electronic parking brakes. HECU/brake recall.
2012 - 4.6, 8 speed. 5.0 8 speed. 5.0 RSPEC. New body style. Improved ride again (best). 8 speed tranny slow to shift. Early 2012 5.0 engines burn oil. Lane departure warning system. HECU/brake recall.
2013 - 5.0 RSPEC. Tranny shifting issues somewhat fixed based on reports here.
2014 - 5.0 RSPEC. Tranny shifting issues completely fixed. No known issues but very little market penetration and owner participation here.

I absolutely love my 2009 4.6 -- so much fun to drive! Best car I've every owned, and I got a dynamite deal on a private sale back in 2011. Warranty has covered all (minor) issues to date. Gives a smile every time I look at it from the outside, or when I put my right foot down. Still get asked "what kind of car is that?" every so often (mine is wing-badged).
 
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For 2013 the top end infotainment system was changed. Based on comments here I am glad I went from looking at a 2012 to a 2013. As long as the correct state is already selected I can use voice command to enter the street and city in one sentence. I don't have to use the funky cable adapter with my iPhone. My R-Spec is great on smooth roads but unsettled on rough roads. It's weird because the suspension isn't really losing it but the car isn't absorbing the jolts well. I think it stands out because of how composed the car is on smoother roads. 2012 got a styling tweak which I like but it was minor.
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