Is the Hyundai Genesis a midsize or fullsize car?

[Sal Collaziano]

I feel stupid asking this question but it apparently needs to be asked...

 

[Philth]

Car & Driver and Motor Trend consider the Genesis a full size car; I'd agree.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-50-first-drive-review

 

[katman0]

Car & Driver and Motor Trend consider the Genesis a full size car; I'd agree.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-50-first-drive-review

After coming out of a mid size Fusion, I have to agree. It is full size.

 

[sabbasaun]

I feel stupid asking this question but it apparently needs to be asked...

Some specifics attached.

 

[YEH]

The Genesis competes in the midsize segment but has more of a full-size interior room, just as the Equus competes in the full-size segment but has more interior room than the SWB flagship sedans (in a way, the K900 which slots btwn the 2 in size would be considered more a typical RWD full-size).

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Car & Driver and Motor Trend consider the Genesis a full size car; I'd agree.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-50-first-drive-review

And this says mid, not full:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/hyunda...andsome-addition-to-mid-size-luxury-sedandom/

Here too:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ew-the-best-tech-at-the-best-price-bar-none/3

And I'm pretty sure the EPA says mid too.

 

[sabbasaun]

And this says mid, not full:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/hyunda...andsome-addition-to-mid-size-luxury-sedandom/

Here too:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...ew-the-best-tech-at-the-best-price-bar-none/3

And I'm pretty sure the EPA says mid too.

Based on interior volume the new Genesis would be classified as a Large car (120 cu ft or more). The Genesis sits at 123. Sites don't necessarily adhere to EPA standards when defining car sizes. Just depends.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Some specifics attached.

I imagine this is an official Hyundai image. Yes? It states, "Best in class passenger volume" - which basically means "best in class interior room"... But no other vehicle in it's class (large) is listed as a competitor...

I KNOW the Genesis is a full-size car. It's a "small" full-size car, but it's a full size car. Who is trying to confuse people - and why?

 

[sabbasaun]

I imagine this is an official Hyundai image. Yes? It states, "Best in class passenger volume" - which basically means "best in class interior room"... But no other vehicle in it's class (large) is listed as a competitor...

I KNOW the Genesis is a full-size car. It's a "small" full-size car, but it's a full size car. Who is trying to confuse people - and why?

Yes this is from their launch material. To clarify and if I added to the confusion, I apologize, but the way it was told to us, Hyundai is not trying to say the Genesis is a full-size/large car (although it technically could qualify as one) but rather they are pointing out that in this segment, mid-size luxury which the Genesis is competing in, they lead in passenger room. You get large car size for mid-size price.

Per Hyundai:
Primary competitors: Lexus GS, Cadillac CTS, Mercedes E-Class
Secondary competitors: Lexus ES, BMW 5-Series, Audi A6

Hope that clarifies some things!

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The way I've seen it since the beginning, the Hyundai Genesis is a fullsize car that sells for a midsize price. Correct? It's price is the only thing that has anything to do with midsize. So the media should be brought up to speed that this is not a midsize car but a fullsize car that sells at a midsize price. And Hyundai should PROBABLY stop comparing interior volume with cars in a size class beneath the Genesis. The Lexus LS460, the BMW 750i, Audi A8 and Jaguar XJ probably have similar interior volume. I'm guessing at least a LOT closer than the midsize vehicles Hyundai is doing comparisons with.

My problem with this is I feel the Genesis is a good enough car that Hyundai can be honest with it instead of pulling the wool over people's eyes.

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[sabbasaun]

The way I've seen it since the beginning, the Hyundai Genesis is a fullsize car that sells for a midsize price. Correct? It's price is the only thing that has anything to do with midsize. So the media should be brought up to speed that this is not a midsize car but a fullsize car that sells at a midsize price. And Hyundai should PROBABLY stop comparing interior volume with cars in a size class beneath the Genesis. The Lexus LS460, the BMW 750i, Audi A8 and Jaguar XJ probably have similar interior volume. I'm guessing at least a LOT closer than the midsize vehicles Hyundai is doing comparisons with.

My problem with this is I feel the Genesis is a good enough car that Hyundai can be honest with it instead of pulling the wool over people's eyes.

I've always thought of the Genesis as a mid-size luxury with a 3-series price lol. It's a little bit blurred really and you can't just look at one metric, you have to take everything into account even price. For example the A8 or LS460 are much larger vehicles length wise. The A8 itself is about 207inches. The LS460 is about 200 inches. Genesis at 196.5. The Equus at 203inches fits right in between the LS460 and A8. Wheelbase is longer in the A8 as well at 122in, Genesis is at 118. The type of buyers for a large luxury vs mid-size is also totally different. Even if money were no object I'd never think of buying an Equus but a Genesis definitely.

So I dont think Hyundai is be dishonest as no two cars are the same dimensions and they all have different features and price points.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I guess the Genesis is simply the biggest midsize car on the market. I'm also a Cadillac enthusiast and I come from the camp that feels there's little need for a DeVille AND a Fleetwood. Or an XTS AND a fullsize flagship (coming soon). I guess Lexus gets away with it nicely with the LS460 AND ES350 being completely different cars for different markets. But Hyundai has the Azera (ES350), Genesis (a very big GS350) and the Equus (LS460). As mentioned in another thread, I bet the Genesis shrinks for it's third generation, become lighter, more agile and leaving the possibilities for an N-Line Genesis Sedan to compete with cars like the BMW M5...

 

[GenesisCaptain]

I consider the Genesis a midsize car. To me, I am always confused by the industry classifications of car size. There are comical surprises.

My frame of reference are the European small (Audi A4, MB C Class, BMW 3 Series), medium (Audi A6, MB E Class, BMW 5 Series), and large (Audi A8, MB S Class, BMW 7 Series). The Genesis competes with the medium-sized European cars, so it is a mid-sized car to me. It is bigger than most of them, especially the BMW, but it is no where near the size of the large European cars. The Equus solely occupies that competitive space.

Other Asian cars that I lump into my size ranking are the Accord (small), Camry (small), Avalon (medium), Lexus LS (large), Acura RLX (medium), Infiniti formerly known as the G (small), Infiniti formally known as an M (medium).

These are my highly subjective size ratings. The Genesis is a mid-sized car in the context of luxury sedans.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I consider the Genesis a midsize car. To me, I am always confused by the industry classifications of car size. There are comical surprises.

My frame of reference are the European small (Audi A4, MB C Class, BMW 3 Series), medium (Audi A6, MB E Class, BMW 5 Series), and large (Audi A8, MB S Class, BMW 7 Series). The Genesis competes with the medium-sized European cars, so it is a mid-sized car to me. It is bigger than most of them, especially the BMW, but it is no where near the size of the large European cars. The Equus solely occupies that competitive space.

Other Asian cars that I lump into my size ranking are the Accord (small), Camry (small), Avalon (medium), Lexus LS (large), Acura RLX (medium), Infiniti formerly known as the G (small), Infiniti formally known as an M (medium).

These are my highly subjective size ratings. The Genesis is a mid-sized car in the context of luxury sedans.

You're mostly on target but the Accord is mid-sized (it was actually classified as "full-size" in the previous generation but recently shrunk again), Camry is mid-sized, Avalon is full-sized...

In any event, I'm looking at the Genesis as a very big mid-sized vehicle after the discussions we've had here...

 

[ksoze]

I think by EPA standards, based on interior volume and wheel base, it would be a classified as a full size car.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I think by EPA standards, based on interior volume and wheel base, it would be a classified as a full size car.

If I remember correctly, when Hyundai first released this car in America, they said it was 7-Series sized but 3-Series priced...

 

[scottdk]

If I remember correctly, when Hyundai first released this car in America, they said it was 7-Series sized but 3-Series priced...

Yup...back from 2008. 1st gen isn't really close to being 5 series performance though....

3 series price
5 series performance
7 series size

 

[Sal Collaziano]

1st gen isn't really close to being 5 series performance though....

2nd gen isn't really either. I'm reading it's heavier, has less power but may handle better...

 

[scottdk]

2nd gen isn't really either. I'm reading it's heavier, has less power but may handle better...

I'm keeping my car for a while, but I would consider a 3rd Generation Genesis if it was a smaller more agile driver focused machine.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

I'm keeping my car for a while, but I would consider a 3rd Generation Genesis if it was a smaller more agile driver focused machine.

I think it will be (the third generation) -- what you want... I really have a strong feeling the next Genesis is going to be compete more directly with cars like the 550i, E550, XF, CTS, A6, etcetera... And I bet they'll have their N-Division ready to go head to head with the M5, E63 AMG, XF-R, CTS-V and RS6...

Much like the second generation Cadillac CTS, the second generation Genesis is saying, "I will not be ignored". The third generation CTS now officially plays in the same league as the top tier luxury midsizers. The next Hyundai Genesis will too...