Hyundai Genesis - The Cons

[Sal Collaziano]

I see orange peel in just about everything - including the new BMW 7-Series and Mercedes S-Class.. I'm also surprised that Hyundai would be cheap with their leather in the Genesis as opposed to the Azera.. That's just something I'll have to see for myself...

 

[RichieRichLancair]

It's not the Azera's seats can't be improved, they can.

The Genesis inserts look like the inserts from the old chevy GEO. It also looked plasticy (is that a word) to me.

Here is my wish list for both seats.
1) Firmer foam on the bottom of the seat.
2) Side bolsters (2006 GTO is an excellent example)
3) Lower seat 1" or so. I'm 6'3" and it would make getting in and out much easier. Genesis especially.
4) Do something like the Cadillac seat for your thighs. After 5 hours in my Azera it is almost like I'm handicapped. Takes about 5 minutes to get the blood flowing again. Started to feel this after about 10 minutes in the Genesis today.
5) Lower seat and thigh massager would be awesome!!
6) 12 way power seat (driver and passenger).

I know this is a big list. Maybe package 7?

 

[RichieRichLancair]

I see orange peel in just about everything - including the new BMW 7-Series and Mercedes S-Class..

I should have took a picture of this. I mean it looks like the peel of an Orange. It really shows up in black.

My Azera is black and flat. Not like a show car but very good. I mean I love to wash it, the reflection is awesome. Much better than the Genesis I saw today. Hyundai obviously can do this type of paint work. Maybe it's some fine tuning needed on their line. I don't know.

 

[BaywayRic]

I mean it looks like the peel of an Orange. It really shows up in black.

The Genesis Black is not flat black, it's metallic and has tiny flecks in it. Looks pretty sharp to me, but may just be an acquired taste. It is truly a quality paint job.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

I wanted to update my cons.

I have test driven two other Genesis since my original post. A titanium and another black one.

Just a side note: When I said the black on my azera was flat I didn't mean like flat black paint. I was talking about the look of the paint. Orange peel is bumpy. No orange peel is considered flat. The flatter the paint the more reflective it is.

The titanium genesis had some orange peel in the paint not as bad as the first black one I saw.

Still didn't like seats. Lacks side support and I don't like the insert. This dealer told me that the V8 has upgraded seats. He said that the seat is the number one complaint he as heard about the interior.

The ride on this one was about the same as the last not as good as my Azera but I think I understand what it is. I'll explain later.

Dealer had a markup of 6,000 over sticker. 42K. Would not even consider taking less.

The second was a black genesis. This had the kind of paint job my Azera has. Very flat no orange peel. This was what I expected the first time. I guess it is the paint but this car looked like the beauty shots. Loved the car from every angle. I even liked the grille, a little. What a difference!!

Same thing with the seat. This salesman really knew the genesis. He had just gotten back from Genesis school and had sat in and seen the V8. He told me that the seats in the V8 are far superior to the v6. Much better leather. He told me that the V8 comes with everything except the technology package. You only one option with the V8, technology package 5.

He said something about the ride. He said he thought the Azera and Genesis were identical rides, but he prefers the rear wheel drive of the Genesis. I never thought of that. I've been driving FWD since I bought my first Acura in 89. I bet that is it for me. He also said that someone asked about the cooled pass seat in package #6. His teacher said that 6 isn't going to happen this year.

First dealer I've found that is sticker with no markup. Salesman was the most knowledgeable person I've found anywhere. Including the Hyundai USA lines. What a difference a good salesman makes.

Oh he said the V8 will be out in late September, early October.

 

[jwaters943]

I think your salesman is full of ish. There is no Technology Package 5 or 6. If there is, please have your salesman explain to me what Tech Package 1, 2, 3, & 4 are. You can build a Genesis online now. The Tech Package on the V8 is the same as the V6, and the seats are idential aside from the leather covering. Sure they may feel softer to the touch because of the nicer leather, but that does nothing to affect the structure of the seat itself. If you found the V6 to be lacking in seat comfort/support, I see no reason why the V8 would be any different. It's not like they gave it larger side bolsters or additional power adjustments. I also question his statement that the V8 won't be out until Sep/Oct when everyone else is estimating 3-6 weeks.

I know I shouldn't shoot the messenger, but your salesperson sounds as FOS as most other salesmen I encounter. Just my $0.02.

 

[gipp]

Based on the postings I know where I would aim....

 

[RichieRichLancair]

He actually didn't say package 6. I had heard that from another dealer. I think it was the guy I bought my Azera from. I don't remember now. Anyway my understanding of the package 6 is that if it happens it might be the cooled passenger seat. The last salesman I spoke with, we were talking about the cooled pass seat not the actual package. I didn't want to keep typing out cooled passenger seat, cooled passenger seat, coole... Trying to save some typing, but that didn't work out.

Sorry about the confusion. My bad.

Let me be clear. I do not know if there is a package 6 and if there is, what it contains. Hyundai USA mentioned that they were contemplating a package 6 when I was inquiring about the rear DVD entertainment system. A Hyundai salesman (or more than 1) has mentioned another package that might have a cooled passenger seat. It might have been me that linked the package 6 that Hyundai told me about or a salesman(s) I don't remember anymore.

The tech package 5. I just called Hyundai USA at 800-633-5151 and spoke with Cassie (great girl) at extension 54652. She confirmed that there is a tech package 5 only available on the V8 Genesis.

She also confirmed to me that the V8 will be in dealers in late September.

Cassie is also gracious enough to speak with you about these two items. Please don't tell her that she is full of ish. She seems very nice.

Here are some of the dealers that have told me about the last two items.
Andy 888.706.6414 Great guy. Definitely tell him he is full of ish I tell him he is full of sh.t all the time.
Frank 937.428.2400 You can tell him he is full of ish.
Marc 847.544.1299 Don't know this guy tell him what you wish about the ish issue.

I am only a Hyundai customer. I don't know what is going on, only what I am told.

Thanks

 

[GrandPrix08]

I don't think that much detail is out. So far I think, the only item that they are working on is the smart cruise system that they announced that they will have later this year. I am thinking that is the part of the new package if there's going to be any. There is a rumor that the rear DVD entertainment system won't make it to the US market, possibly because of the price matter? Though it will be nice.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

That is what I'm thinking on the DVD entertainment center.

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[jwaters943]

Richie,

Just out of curiousity, what other vehicles are you considering that has everything you're looking for?

 

[RichieRichLancair]

New Azera or Veracruz.

That's it.

 

[jwaters943]

But they don't offer a cooled drivers seat (let alone passenger seat), adaptive cruise, rear seat entertainment, etc. either, so these things can't be deal-breakers, right?

 

[RichieRichLancair]

The Veracruz does have the rear entertainment center.

I think you are correct with the rest.

Really isn't a deal breaker, but would be one less way to talk myself out of it.

But the price difference pretty big between the two.
Vercruz is like 9K less with all the rebates and offers.
Azera is like 14K less with all the rebates and offers.

Last week I was going to wait, really the numbers just don't add up.

Like a bonehead, I keep trying to find any justification.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

The Genesis Black is not flat black, it's metallic and has tiny flecks in it. Looks pretty sharp to me, but may just be an acquired taste. It is truly a quality paint job.

I found this on the meguiars site explains flat black paint. Maybe makes more sense than I did. If you are a car guy, you guys probably already know this.

I apologize, I assumed with this being a car enthutist site, this was common knowledge. When I was looking at the gen 6 corvette, I told the salesman I like the C6 design. The salesman said, "No, it only seats two." Definitely not a car guy.

I cut the text out that explains the difference between orange peel and flat paint.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-255.html

I just wanted your opinion on removing the orange peel effect on current cars that have a clear coat. It seems like all new cars these days come out of the factory with paint that is not at all flat. (Refer to Mike's Icon photo - orange peel very evident) I love going to our local auto museum in Saratoga and the area hot rod shows where the paint is flat and flawless.

 

[Coug]

I think your salesman is full of ish. There is no Technology Package 5 or 6. If there is, please have your salesman explain to me what Tech Package 1, 2, 3, & 4 are.

I think the "Package" designations are being used by some people now in confusing ways. As I understood it, this is dealer terminology that originally meant the following:
Package 1: V6 Base
Package 2: V6 Premium Pkg.
Package 3: V6 Preimum Plus Pkg.
Package 4: V6 Technology Pkg.
Package 5: V8 Base
Package 6: V8 Technology Pkg.

I am quite certain of the Pkg. 1 through 4 definitions. I have spoken with several dealers about delivery who have said "I'm getting a few Pack 2's and 3's, but no Pack 4's yet". From this I've extrapolated the definitions of Package 5 and 6.

 

[jwaters943]

Okay, that makes sense and was what I was suspecting, but combining the terms Teck Package with a number had me baffled.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

Okay, that makes sense and was what I was suspecting, but combining the terms Teck Package with a number had me baffled.

You might give Cassie a call. She is very informative. But she really digs until she finds the answer exactly. Andy might be able to help also. Both of their numbers are toll free from a land line.

It makes sense the package numbering you all came up with but tech package 5 was only option available on the V8. Probably best to be cleared up once and for all. Same with the V8 release date. That's what's nice about having a point person like this, check with Cassie.

It is confusing. When I talked to Cassie I told her about your site and how you were trying to clear up some of the misunderstandings. She likes that idea. She really wants to work with you to help.

Maybe Hyundai might set this site up as an unofficial, official site. Maybe get some inside info about their plans and stuff. Could be a really good two way communication with Hyundai. It definitely would benefit them.

Maybe a question and answer thread to Hyundai from Hyundai. Just a thought.

I'm sure Andy will do everything he can also.

 

[BaywayRic]

I think the "Package" designations are being used by some people now in confusing ways. As I understood it, this is dealer terminology that originally meant the following:
Package 1: V6 Base
Package 2: V6 Premium Pkg.
Package 3: V6 Preimum Plus Pkg.
Package 4: V6 Technology Pkg.
Package 5: V8 Base
Package 6: V8 Technology Pkg.

I am quite certain of the Pkg. 1 through 4 definitions.

From the research I've done and dealers talked to, you are dead on with Packs 1-4. The only other one is Pack 5, which is a loaded V8. There are no options there. Pack 4 is $40,000, Pack 5 is $42,000 so you pay $2,000 to get the V8.

 

[RichieRichLancair]

From the research I've done and dealers talked to, you are dead on with Packs 1-4. The only other one is Pack 5, which is a loaded V8. There are no options there. Pack 4 is $40,000, Pack 5 is $42,000 so you pay $2,000 to get the V8.

Definitely not what the Genesis brochure says. There is no Pack 5 V8. Definitely different from what Hyundai USA says also.

Both could be wrong. You could be mistaken. Adds to the confusion.

Good opportunity to clear it up once and for all. Direct line to Hyundai USA rep bypass the queue. Couple minutes tops.

Hyundai USA at 800-633-5151 Cassie at extension 54652.

If you will post the dealers phone numbers that you spoke with about the Pack 5, I will call them see if they can explain the V8 pack 5 to me. This is the first that I have heard of a Pack 5 V8. I thought the V8 was a different model trim. Like the limited. That's the way the Genesis brochure shows it.