Snow Tire Recommendation

[pokerplayer]

2015 Genesis Sedan 3.6 AWD (Canadian model)...should I stick with stock size 245/45/18...can I run snow tires without TPMS sensors...any tire recommendations and/or retailers? Many thanks

 

[stuofsci02]

Michelin X-Ice 3 are the best snows I have run.. Would strongly recommend them...

 

[EXBMWGUY]

^ Agreed. Great snow, ice and rain/slush traction.

 

[Midnightsun]

Blizzaks are my choice however the Michelins are always way up on the charts along with the Blizzaks. Can't go wrong with either. http://www.wheels.ca/guides/best-winter-tires-for-2015/

 

[Tpr5.0]

Blizzaks are my choice however the Michelins are always way up on the charts along with the Blizzaks. Can't go wrong with either. http://www.wheels.ca/guides/best-winter-tires-for-2015/

Agreed.

 

[stuofsci02]

From my research the Blizzak WS80 and the Mich X-Ice 3 were the top dogs for snow/ice performace. I seem to recall the the Blizzaks are better than the X-Ice on the deeper loose snow and slush and the X-Ice were tops on the wet/dry pavement performance as well as comfort.

For me the big thing was the X-Ice comfort level. On dry and wet pavement these things are not really any louder then the stock Michelins that came on the car. Where live there is a fair bit of snow, but the plows get out and clear most roads same day, so having a comfortable tire on the highway when there is little snow was important for me.

If I lived somewhere that got more snow or further out in the country I might choose something else.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

From my research the Blizzak WS80 and the Mich X-Ice 3 were the top dogs for snow/ice performace. I seem to recall the the Blizzaks are better than the X-Ice on the deeper loose snow and slush and the X-Ice were tops on the wet/dry pavement performance as well as comfort.

For me the big thing was the X-Ice comfort level. On dry and wet pavement these things are not really any louder then the stock Michelins that came on the car. Where live there is a fair bit of snow, but the plows get out and clear most roads same day, so having a comfortable tire on the highway when there is little snow was important for me.

If I lived somewhere that got more snow or further out in the country I might choose something else.

I totally agree with all this. ^ My choice with the Ice-3s required me to go from 19s to 18s and was well it due to noise, tread wear, and ride comfort.

My Blizzak experience goes back many years when I could only put about 10,000 miles on the first layer of tire compound (designed for snow and ice). After that, all remaining tread wear was awful due to a completely different material that Bridgestone touted as "all-season. It was noisy, uncomfortable, poor steering and handling, etc., and was a terrible excuse for an all-season tire. I'm sure Blizzaks are very different today based on ratings, however I'm still a Michelin loyalist.

 

[Midnightsun]

The only Blizzaks that actually fit the Genesis being either V6 or V8 are the LM32's if you remain in the same size as factory. These unfortunately are so few and far between not to mention new there are really no ratings for them yet. I can assure you however they are as quiet as the summers not to mention as comfortable. Normally when I swap all 4 I can tell there is either a noise and/or handling difference but not in this case. The LM 32 is designed for luxury sport sedans which is more or less what the Genesis is. The LM32 is a premium performance winter tire.

The X-ice Xi3 is a standard winter tire which does very well and is actually the highest rated winter in Consumer Reports however again I will specify it is not a performance tire being H rated. Some garages will not even let you install these on a Genesis simply because they are supposed to have V rated tires the same as what the factory delivers on the car. Personally I really do not see there being any problem but something to keep in mind before making your final decision.

Personally if I wanted Michelins, I would go for the Pilot Alpin PA4 which are rated as well as the Xi3 but will give you the V rating and are a performance tire which should be on the Genesis.

The only choice in winters on the V8 are the LM32's, as for the V6 you can go with the LM's or the Michelins.

Interesting read on speed ratings. http://www.bridgestonetire.com/tread-and-trend/drivers-ed/tire-speed-rating

 

[Rey]

I have had the Michelin Ice 2s and now the Ice 3s respectively on a RSpec and a 3.8. Both were bought/installed at Costco and no problems with tire rating. I buy tires either at TireRack or Costco. Costco has the advantage now because they will mount/dismount tires bought there for just $40

I really like the Ice 3s. They do the job nicely in severe conditions, they are quiet and they are "low rolling resistance". Have no experience with the Michelin Alpines. The Ice 3s did quite well cruising at 85mph (limit plus 5mph) all across Wyoming, Utah and Idaho.

Blizzards are good also. You will do well purchasing either Michelin or Bridgestone.

A word on low rolling resistance tires. I have been following them since the 90s. Compared first generation LRR Michilins with conventional tires back to back about ten years ago. They do deliver a bit better gas mileage, mabe half to a gallon better per mile. OEM mount them - because they help fleet gas mileage requirements.

 

[pokerplayer]

Thanks everyone. I am looking at the Yokohama iceGUARD iG52c which is a new snow tire and cheap ($161/tire at tirerack). However, I see the tire is T rated so may need to rethink based on the comments above. Is stock size what I should be going with (245/45/18) and do I need to spend the extra $300+ on TPMS sensors? Thanks again

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[stuofsci02]

Thanks everyone. I am looking at the Yokohama iceGUARD iG52c which is a new snow tire and cheap ($161/tire at tirerack). However, I see the tire is T rated so may need to rethink based on the comments above. Is stock size what I should be going with (245/45/18) and do I need to spend the extra $300+ on TPMS sensors? Thanks again

I did not do the TPMS sensors but I have a 2012.. Usually you will just get either a warning or it recognizes that they are not there and does nothing.

FYI.. For what it is worth I was able to put on 17's on my 2012 V6. This is worth looking at doing if it will fit. You will get more tire choices and it will be cheaper.. Since you are in Canada this thread I started last year might help..

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-ge...d.php?t=12501&highlight=canadian+winter+tires

 

[OneFunGenesis]

17's on my V8 here (4.6L) Blizzak WS70

 

[Buford T Justice]

I just put some Blizzak WS80s on my car last night. I put them on 17s with TPMS though my TPMS sensors were only about $180 on Tire Rack, not sure where you are getting $300 from, maybe Canada makes them cost more?

The Blizzak LM series is designed for BMW cars, NOT for our cars, don't use them, your just paying more for a tire that is not optimized for our cars.

You don't haaave to have TPMS sensors, I just got them because I didn't want to look at the dash light and my car is still under warranty so not using them can void aspects of the warranty.

I like the WS80s so far, don't feel very different than the all seasons that the car came with, maybe a little louder but not much. I ordered them through TireRack so they came mounted and balanced. Just put them on and go!

 

[jonjon72]

"The Blizzak LM series is designed for BMW cars, NOT for our cars, don't use them, your just paying more for a tire that is not optimized for our cars."


Partially correct. The LM RFT (Run Flat Tires) were made specifically for BMW's. However, the non RFT were made specifically for any car owner that wish to retain the performance and handling aspects along with the winter driving capability. LM's have a "V" speed rating compared to the WS "H" rating.

 

[italiabrain]

Thanks everyone. I am looking at the Yokohama iceGUARD iG52c which is a new snow tire and cheap ($161/tire at tirerack). However, I see the tire is T rated so may need to rethink based on the comments above. Is stock size what I should be going with (245/45/18) and do I need to spend the extra $300+ on TPMS sensors? Thanks again

Speed rating doesn't matter unless you or someone who has access to the car exceeds it. Unless you need the ability to do triple digit speeds on your snow tires the only real issue is that some garages don't like the potential liability of them installing tires that you might do just that on. I think 118mph (T rated) or 130mph (H rated) is plenty for a snow tire.... If I'm going that fast I'm not doing it on snow-designed tread or snow compound, even if the tire can take the force and heat. It's just a bad idea.

Many snow tires trade noise, comfort, and dry/wet handling in order to get decent snow/ice traction without costing too much. The major benefit of the more expensive ones, and as people have mentioned the XIce is a prime example, is the jack-of-all-trades aspect. My understanding is that the Blizzak is better on loose snow and glare ice, while the Xice is quieter, more comfortable, and has better lateral loading characteristics. I've driven both (LM60 vs XIce 2 and 3), but they were on such wildly different cars it's hard to compare.

 

[CanukV6]

I went with the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 in the stock 245/45-18 size. The X-ice were a close second choice, but Tire Rack had the PA4's on for close to the same price and they are rated #1 in their category. No, you don't need the higher speed rating, but for almost the same money, what the heck .

The problem you may face is finding X-ice tires in Canada in the stock size. All the dealers I called said they were back-ordered 6-8 weeks. Tire-Rack does have them in stock though.

I was quoted $450 to add the TPMS sensors so I didn't bother. I was told that you just have to put up with a warning triangle on the dash if you do without them. For that kind of money the dash light won out!

 

[jonjon72]

I went with the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 in the stock 245/45-18 size. The X-ice were a close second choice, but Tire Rack had the PA4's on for close to the same price and they are rated #1 in their category. No, you don't need the higher speed rating, but for almost the same money, what the heck .

The problem you may face is finding X-ice tires in Canada in the stock size. All the dealers I called said they were back-ordered 6-8 weeks. Tire-Rack does have them in stock though.

I was quoted $450 to add the TPMS sensors so I didn't bother. I was told that you just have to put up with a warning triangle on the dash if you do without them. For that kind of money the dash light won out!

I loved my Pilot Alpin PA3's on my Genesis Coupe and ordered them for the Sedan. Unfortunately the shop ordered them and kept getting delayed. I replaced the order with the Blizzak LM32's and happy with the purchase. Sure you can get cheaper tires but I want to retain some of the performance aspects of my tires even during the winter. Living in the Toronto area, I have a mix of heavy snow and clear roads.

 

[pokerplayer]

Thanks everyone very helpful. Happy holidays!

 

[Midnightsun]

I went with the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4 in the stock 245/45-18 size. The X-ice were a close second choice, but Tire Rack had the PA4's on for close to the same price and they are rated #1 in their category. No, you don't need the higher speed rating, but for almost the same money, what the heck .

The problem you may face is finding X-ice tires in Canada in the stock size. All the dealers I called said they were back-ordered 6-8 weeks. Tire-Rack does have them in stock though.

I was quoted $450 to add the TPMS sensors so I didn't bother. I was told that you just have to put up with a warning triangle on the dash if you do without them. For that kind of money the dash light won out!

I asked my dealer about the TPMS and they do carry aftermarket ones for our 2015 Genesis as the OEM's are $160? a pop. He told me $60 each FYI. Still up there when you consider I can buy 4 of them for $60 delivered for my F150 and those are the OEM ones.

 

[italiabrain]

I asked my dealer about the TPMS and they do carry aftermarket ones for our 2015 Genesis as the OEM's are $160? a pop. He told me $60 each FYI. Still up there when you consider I can buy 4 of them for $60 delivered for my F150 and those are the OEM ones.

I wonder if there's an actual difference in precision or function. Maybe something to do with the ability to display the current pressure? Or if it's just gouging for parts in the "premium market".