Disappointed with AWD

[jonjon72]

I don't know whether (not weather) it is the OEM tires, but I find it amazing that some with AWD still have to put on snow tires, and can't get by with all-season tires. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about snow tires or AWD.

AWD does not compensate for the way summer and all season tires harden in cold temps. Nor do those tires have the tread to split the snow.

Snow, ice and cold temps - AWD with all seasons are ok. AWD with winter tires are superior in every way. What's a set of winters compared to peace of mind, no white knuckle driving and a small discount on your insurance?

 

[joeyz400]

I understand and appreciate the input but as i stayed I know the difference with snow tires as opposed to all season. As I said in the op I feel my Benz with summer tires (AMG) tires and wheels worked better.

 

[Mark_888]

AWD does not compensate for the way summer and all season tires harden in cold temps. Nor do those tires have the tread to split the snow.

Snow, ice and cold temps - AWD with all seasons are ok. AWD with winter tires are superior in every way. What's a set of winters compared to peace of mind, no white knuckle driving and a small discount on your insurance?

I am not questioning what people are saying, I just said I am amazed that people would put up with that stuff rather than move some place warmer.

However, the one time I lived in a cold winter climate (but in a fairly dry climate without a huge amount of snow), I had a front wheel drive car with all-season tires and did not have much of a problem. But if snow was heavy, I just worked from home.

Also, I do have a suspicion that the Hyundai OEM tires are not very good in snow compared to the best all-season tires available.

 

[Nikgen]

I am not questioning what people are saying, I just said I am amazed that people would put up with that stuff rather than move some place warmer.

Hmmm...let's see: location of family, friends, jobs are but a few reasons we all can't live in warmer climates. And some people actually like the cold and snow. I tolerate it for the reasons stated earlier, but will move someplace warmer when I retire.

I didn't go for snow tires yet, but likely will. The OEM's are not bad and have performed OK in terms of driving through snow so far, but don't have the best stopping grip on packed snow or ice. As others have stated, no all season will perform even remotely close to a dedicated winter tire in harsh conditions - the all seasons are a compromise.

 

[CanukV6]

The OEM tires may be labelled All-Season, but they are biased towards the Summer Performance side of that category. Their tread design and compound is far from winter friendly. You could ride a Unicycle on slicks in winter if you wanted to, but why would you?

 

[Roikins]

You sure you got the AWD. Or maybe they just badged the Htrac logo at the back lol . you never know dealership these days

Love it You made me laugh so hard, Almost cried,it's a good one [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

 

[Nikgen]

Love it You made me laugh so hard, Almost cried,it's a good one [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

What's even funnier is that someone on this forum intentionally added the H-trac badge to their 3.8 RWD!

 

[jonjon72]

What's even funnier is that someone on this forum intentionally added the H-trac badge to their 3.8 RWD!

Now that's just sad.

 

[wchettel]

What's all this talk about snow?

 

[Roikins]

What's even funnier is that someone on this forum intentionally added the H-trac badge to their 3.8 RWD!

Really??? Ahahahahaa that's even better
Why stop there? Could put some Aston Martin or something [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[ZZR]

I tried it with the trac control on and off and even in snow mode. I don't know weather to blame the system or the tires. My 2 Benzs had Continential tires.

Some people will make falce assumptions and statements. This is one of them.

Let me get this straight - you tried traction cntrl on and off. why off?
Isnt'it obvious before you try to move that in the snow you need TC?
And then "even snow mode".
It looks like the gentleman starts with TC off, spins tires and makes ice. Now 46000 (driver incl)lbs car has no chance of getting traction
whatever tires it wares and whichever buttons he pushes.

Also, he states both Mercs had Continental tires and then later in the thread
he calls them AMG tires.
We all know AMG does not make tires.

I think the guy is just confused and blames everything and everyone for his own lack of common sence.

 

[Nikgen]

Some people will make falce assumptions and statements. This is one of them.

Let me get this straight - you tried traction cntrl on and off. why off?
Isnt'it obvious before you try to move that in the snow you need TC?
And then "even snow mode".
It looks like the gentleman starts with TC off, spins tires and makes ice. Now 46000 (driver incl)lbs car has no chance of getting traction
whatever tires it wares and whichever buttons he pushes.

Also, he states both Mercs had Continental tires and then later in the thread
he calls them AMG tires.
We all know AMG does not make tires.

I think the guy is just confused and blames everything and everyone for his own lack of common sence.

Wow - you're really quite the businessman - way the make friends on the forum!

And, BTW - it's "sense" not "sence". I normally don't comment on spelling, but you seem to think you know it all and this is not the first time you've mispelled this common word!

 

[Roikins]

What's all this talk about snow?

I know that feeling ,it's really shocking and very dangerous, especially in January to be buried in 2 ' deep sand by the oceans hot water splashing at you [emoji51][emoji51][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] I don't know how I survived this one, but I know I won't forget it [emoji41][emoji41][emoji41][emoji41]

 

[ZZR]

Wow - you're really quite the businessman - way the make friends on the forum!

And, BTW - it's "sense" not "sence". I normally don't comment on spelling, but you seem to think you know it all and this is not the first time you've mispelled this common word!

Sence I sez.
I have met some people before who could spell correctly but were dumb as a door nail.
Which kind would you like to be when you grow up?

 

[joeyz400]

George why do you bother????? I said I had AMG wheels and tires, yes but I was specific in saying I had Continental summer tires. Also I started without "hitting buttons" in normal mode. When that didn't work I tried SNOW mode. After that didn't work I shut off the Trac control so it wouldn't cut power to certain wheels. If you knew better instead of just running your mouth to try to insult people you wouldn't of even commented on this. Your assumption as to what I did is very wrong and you made up some stupid scenario to insult me... LMAO never happen kid!!!! George I don't think, I know you are a total TOOL and you keep proving yourself to this forum..... Grow up!!!

 

[ZZR]

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OneFunGenesis

Not going to dignify that. Lots of people here think genesis of the problem is
NOT the car. It's a combination of different factors + driver's error.


And now you admit, started in "Normal" mode instead of "Snow", spun the tires, made ice. then tried "Show" and no go. (POST #35 )

And now you are saying switching off TS helps you control spin of certain tires?
This is nonsence, TC is DESIGNED to prevent spinning tires which don't have enough traction and send power to those that have a better grip.

My conclusion:

You make a simple mistake and just would not admit it.
Instead blame the manufacturer and anounce DISSAPOINTMENT no less.

Why not analize what you could do better instead, then share your experience with the rest of Forum memebers.

On that note , I'm beginnig to think that sharing early stages of my efforts http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=15153 was a mistake. Attempts having conversation on the subject leads to poinitless bickering with your sort.
Unfortunatley, most of the 4400 /to date/ visitors to my are silent and only few experssed support and fewer yet just keep pouring garbage on.

Anyway, the way to correct my mistake is to quit reporting, posting pics, ect.
After all, I was not doing it for money. Money comes from actual work in the shop.
I don't intend to sell any of the parts here or anywhere.
My client will. The dealer(s).

 

[amartz]

And now you are saying switching off TS helps you control spin of certain tires? This is nonsence, TC is DESIGNED to prevent spinning tires which don't have enough traction and send power to those that have a better grip.

A little real-world experience: I have a 2012 rwd 3.8. Last winter I was in a snow storm up in the Poconos. I was in a parking lot covered with several inches of freshly packed snow. The exit from the parking lot up to the street level involved climbing a grade of probably not more than two feet. I'd give it gas, and the genny would move a little bit, and then the engine would cut back to idle, a definite no-go. I tried it a couple of times, with no better results. Then I hit the ESC button to turn the nanny off, hit the gas, and climbed right up onto the street, rear tires spinning away! In that particular situation, I couldn't get any momentum until I could spin my tires!

 

[2011 Genesis 4.6]

My 2011 owners manual, if stuck ESC off

 

[Mark_888]

What's all this talk about snow?

15 yard penalty for taunting.

 

[Mark_888]

Hmmm...let's see: location of family, friends, jobs are but a few reasons we all can't live in warmer climates. And some people actually like the cold and snow. I tolerate it for the reasons stated earlier, but will move someplace warmer when I retire.

I didn't go for snow tires yet, but likely will. The OEM's are not bad and have performed OK in terms of driving through snow so far, but don't have the best stopping grip on packed snow or ice. As others have stated, no all season will perform even remotely close to a dedicated winter tire in harsh conditions - the all seasons are a compromise.

I have had my job transferred two times, once to MN and once to WI, and I quit and found a new job both times. But these days a lot of people can work from home on bad weather days, so not sure if it would be such a big deal now for me.

As for the OEM tires, the Hankook Ventus S1 Noble 2's are not the best all-season tires for snow. It is mostly a matter of tread compound, but the good ones are expensive. Some have noted that the OEM tires also flat-spot a lot in winter, unlike the better tires that are available these days with more sophisticated materials.