SFR Tuning oppurtunity volunteer car needed

[daviderle]

No anyone that can make us a full CAI?

If you would like to experiment, you can try this one:

http://www.weapon-r.com/products/2379-2012-5-0l-r-spec-hyundai-genesis-secret-weapon-intake

You can get it from thier site or from here:

http://www.carid.com/weapon-r/secret-weapon-air-intake-system-mpn-342-130-101.html

You can reach out to Weapon-R if you wish:

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showpost.php?p=124337&postcount=44

Have not heard anyone trying it, but I thought I would mention it while waiting for the stable ECU tune miracle to happen (- hopefully before the time I sell both cars )...

And please keep in mind there is evidence that suggests that a CIA may not do much in terms of performance gains, until the ECU is cracked!

 

[84FordMan]

If i am not mistaken, the 3.8 sedan uses a different CPU/ECU than the coupe.

As to what you may find regarding the V8 tune, after much inquiry, the bottom line is that it just has not been done to date. I know nothing of what they have in the works , but i imagine that they are looking into their options with the V8, as i have heard that it is a desire of theirs to mod. As of now however there is nothing out there for V8 owners, and there may never be.

Cracking the ECU is not an easy process, nor is re-mapping it. Even if it gets done, the results may not make for a stable product that offers any real performance gain. I have no desire to plug in an ECU that will give me +20 to +50HP and have it be detrimental to the longevity of the engine. I do know that BTR shares that point of view with all their tunes and would not release such a product, which is why i said 'stable product'. Sadly, we may never see a viable solution...but here's to hoping, right

There is a company near you that may be worth checking out:

http://www.cp-e.com/

The Coupes burned them a little though, they released an intake and on high mileage Coupes (with worn motor mounts) the bottom of the intake box rubbed away a little spot of paint on the wheel well. CP-e offered all kinds of help, including offering owners to send back their used intakes for a full refund, and in the background designed and developed their performance motor mounts to prevent the issue from re-occurring. If you have ever been in the Coupe community for any length of time, they latch onto an issue and refuse to let it go.

My experience with them goes back to my Mazda days in the early 2000s. They were the only company to develop and release a cold air intake for the Mazda6 that not only gained the most horsepower of all the available intakes, but also the only intake that would not trip a CEL, and that is something K&N, Injen and all the other companies out there could not do.

They also recognized that people were taking MSDS headers from the Contour/Cougar and hacking them up to fit the Mazda6. They did their due diligence in researching that Sean Hyland Motorsport once developed a set of long tube headers for the Contour/Cougar and SHM got considerable gains over MSDS, so instead of producing an easy set of shorty headers, they took the hard road and went long tube.

They were always very community focused. They do tuning, they do piggybacks and any kind of product you need.

 

[Tailwalker]

Yes, they are right around the corner. If i recall correctly, i contacted them regarding the installation of my coilovers. They were expensive. You get what you pay for to a certain extent, but bolt on is bolt on.

If things do not work out with R2C or if the Weapon R stuff is not correct, i am not against letting them use my car to mock up an intake for the community. I already have one that we built, so i am good, but i certainly want to make sure you guys have a viable product as well. It sucks that my guy fell through for reproducing...

 

[videopho]

Today I attended the BTRcc tuning event for our coupe siblings in Garner just south of Raleigh, NC.
The main purpose is to hang out and watch the coupe siblings being dyno-tuned.
The tune and meet were a huge turn out with over 30 coupes showed up and about 10 were dyno tuned today.
Anyway I personally met with Sam who is the head guy at the BTR and I asked him about our chances of getting our engine tuned by his people.
This is what he said.
The 3.8 GDI EcU sedan is already cracked and tuneable.
The 4.6 and 5.0, several ECUs were purchased and in the process of hacking the code which he said is exteremely a difficult thing to do.
All activities he referred to being done S Korea so he had no clear idea as to when they would become available.

 

[Tailwalker]

 

[dareckibmw]

 

[NSXNEXT]

Seems odd they can crack the 3.8 GDI but not the 5.0

 

[dmitriylm]

Seems odd they can crack the 3.8 GDI but not the 5.0

It's possible that the ECU is different so its not impossible but various vendors might decide its not worth the effort. When I had my Genesis Coupe, the 2.0T's used a completely different ECU from the 3.8's (not just model but different manufacturer)

 

[dmitriylm]

I ran an SFR tune on my Genesis Coupe 2.0T and was quite happy with it. I'm excited for any vendor to produce a 4.6 tune but if its SFR I'll be even more motivated to pay for it. I actually met Jay @ SFR at a tuning event in the Bay Area, seems like a decent guy.

 

[daviderle]

The 3.8 GDI EcU sedan is already cracked and tuneable.

I stand corrected and wonderful news for V6 sedan members..
I wonder if the tune is for 2009-2011? or for 2012-2014? Both?
Or if anyone have tried to reach out to SFR and get their V6 sedan tuned?

For the rest of us with V8s, we can only keep hoping for the best!
I would personally be second in line...

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[videopho]

Finally found time to post some pics taken from the BTRcc tune event in NC two weeks ago.

Tuner is hard at work cracking open a well sealed ECU from a 3.8 Coupe.

Sam (head BTR guy in red jacket) consulting the 2013 (3.8) coupe owner in the aftermath.

Same coupe being strapped on the in-ground dyno.

A lone sedan (mine) is waiting to be tuned.

ha ha j/k and a wishful thinking on my part.

Each tune takes approx an hour to complete which includes 3 baseline runs and 3 post adjustments. Most shops charge about $100/hr dyno time. BTRcc charges around $300 for their own work.
GDI 3.8 NA with SRI & CBE plus some other minor mods can gain approx. 300whp & 260lb-ft with dyno tune.
In addition, a 2.0 T coupe could do quite well with moderate mods, I have seen numbers like 300whp at a decent 300ish lb-ft.
Most owners are very happy with their ride after tuning. Most significant improvements are driveability, throttle response, and no speed governor and rev limiter to worry about.

 

[Sleepr24]

Just an FYI to all wondering. SFR has NOT cracked the ECU for the 3.8 sedan, only the coupe. The ECU's are different. After talking to one of them on the phone, there is currently no interest in cracking it in the foreseeable future.

 

[daviderle]

Just an FYI to all wondering. SFR has NOT cracked the ECU for the 3.8 sedan, only the coupe. The ECU's are different. After talking to one of them on the phone, there is currently no interest in cracking it in the foreseeable future.

What about BTR?
videopho mentions that 3.8 sedan has been cracked by BTR...

 

[videopho]

As I recalled when asking Sam (BTR owner) on that day about specific sedan tuneability question who immediately turned around consulting with his tuner in their own native language (I suspected his tuner spoke very little English) to find an answer.
Moments later Sam turned back to me and nodded his head responding that the 3.8 GDI sedan has been hacked and was tuneable in S Korea and then he also added the v8 (didn't mention specific engine size) several ECUs have also been purchased for their own R&D work but at the end he did conclude saying that the v8 was very very difficult to crack!!
The V6 folks may be lucked out eventually but from my own guts feeling, not a chance for the v8 owners.
Six years and some change later and the Genesis is now well into the 2nd gen. not even a soul who has a clue how to do it.
Disaapointed? Yes
Frustrated? Hell no!

 

[daviderle]

As I recalled when asking Sam (BTR owner) on that day about specific sedan tuneability question who immediately turned around consulting with his tuner in their own native language (I suspected his tuner spoke very little English) to find an answer.
Moments later Sam turned back to me and nodded his head responding that the 3.8 GDI sedan has been hacked and was tuneable in S Korea and then he also added the v8 (didn't mention specific engine size) several ECUs have also been purchased for their own R&D work but at the end he did conclude saying that the v8 was very very difficult to crack!!

Ok, so parking the V8 issues aside for a moment...... Should someone with a V6 be able to reach out to them for a tune either directly or at an Event? ie did he elaborate if the hack is available for KDM market only!? or can they do it for the US models as well?


PS: Clearly I do not have a dog in this particular hunt, but it would be nice if an interested V6 owner would reach out to BTR just to find out how much they can add to an already powerful engine!?...

 

[Big_tugg]

Just wondering why nobody has reached out to a hacker to crack the ECU

 

[Sleepr24]

Just wondering why nobody has reached out to a hacker to crack the ECU

When I spoke to SFR, the person said it could cost tens of thousands of dollars in R&D to develop a crack for the ECU. So unless someone really is dedicated to doing this it seems at this point we are SOL unless you have a contact in Korea (and I still question that they have a crack that will work on U.S. versions).

 

[daviderle]

Just wondering why nobody has reached out to a hacker to crack the ECU

I can tell you without having Access to the encryption keys, it virtually next impossible to do so!
if they crack it for KDM market, there is a strong chance that the same keys are used for both markets, which is still difficult to open up the US ECU, but not impossible...

Beyond that... SNHNSNDN....

 

[Big_tugg]

I can tell you without having Access to the encryption keys, it virtually next impossible to do so!
if they crack it for KDM market, there is a strong chance that the same keys are used for both markets, which is still difficult to open up the US ECU, but not impossible...

Beyond that... SNHNSNDN....

In the computer world nothing's impossible

 

[Tailwalker]