SFR Tuning oppurtunity volunteer car needed

[videopho]

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents on this subject.
On the average it is safe to estimate, the coupe vs sedan sale in N.A. continent is at least 2:1 ratio if not higher.
And the average age of the coupe owners is least half younger (most in their 20s vs 40s) than their sedan counterparts.
How many of those 40 something sedan owners would be interested in tuning their sedan vs the coupe crowd? Ther is no need for an answer here.
How many KDM tuners are there in N.A?
I currently know two, BTRcc & SFR and I have personally met both of them, owners.
(In fact Jay of SFR has tuned my coupe twice.)
How many models can they tune presently?
Genesis coupe, Veloster, Sonata, KIA koupe, Optima etc. Mostly turbo with the exception of 3.8 NA.
How big are these companies?
Less than 2-3 employees at most.
Now you start seeing why our sedans are left out.
Not enough return in $$$$ for these so small companies.

PS BTW you can safely use this assumption over the car's native country where the balk of the R&D tuning business originates from.

 

[daviderle]

In the computer world nothing's impossible

Agreed, however I did say 'virtually' impossible! Why? because 'the not so young kid' did not feel like setting up 600 large instances in AWS, running in parallel for a week, just to solve the first problem (encryption)....

Then comes the difficult part of figuring out the which parameters to tweak without access to the source code, documentation or some who understand it...

Apologies if any of this sounds Greek to some (600 AWS instances=600 large computers running in Amazon Web Services environment which will cost approximately $3k per day).

Not enough return in $$$$ for these so small companies.

PS BTW you can safely use this assumption over the car's native country where the balk of the R&D tuning business originates from.

You hit the nail on the head. KDM do not have V8s but there is always..... ..... So we continue to wait for a miracle....

 

[Tailwalker]

If one were to speculate, one might think a company has already cracked the V8 ECU....most likely the 4.6 given the age. One could also speculate that the 5.0 is a bit troublesome and may take more time, but will hopefully be done soon.

Speculatively. Hypothetically. In no way, shape, or form confirmed by anyone on this forum.

One might also speculate that there will be no confirmation until the R&D has been completed and a viable/salable product is available, as any company offering up this opportunity may want to remain anonymous until things are complete as not to let down the perspective purchasing community. IMO, it probably would be one of the larger names in KDM and USDM tuning, as they would stand to benefit the most from this type of venture.

At the very least, hopefully one or two individuals from the forums have reached out to one of/both of these companies to see what can be done....perhaps even supplying initial parts for the process. Should that ever happen, I'm sure there will be quite a bit of interest here, as well as ever so 'subtle' hints dropped. Were that to happen, one might think the tuning company would ask to be left out of the conversation until they ask otherwise. Speculatively.

I am uncertain, but i think there are some threads out there looking for testing assistance for some sort of 'performance' parts for the V8. Who knows what that means, but you never know. It may be worth pursuing.

 

[Big_tugg]

Agreed, however I did say 'virtually' impossible! Why? because 'the not so young kid' did not feel like setting up 600 large instances in AWS, running in parallel for a week, just to solve the first problem (encryption)....

Then comes the difficult part of figuring out the which parameters to tweak without access to the source code, documentation or some who understand it...

Apologies if any of this sounds Greek to some (600 AWS instances=600 large computers running in Amazon Web Services environment which will cost approximately $3k per day).



You hit the nail on the head. KDM do not have V8s but there is always..... ..... So we continue to wait for a miracle....

Not greek at all. Heck after I decide to turn off my miners I might take a PWS and create a ECU workbench ticker around. Every computer has vulnerabilities, just have to find them and exploit them.

If one were to speculate, one might think a company has already cracked the V8 ECU....most likely the 4.6 given the age. One could also speculate that the 5.0 is a bit troublesome and may take more time, but will hopefully be done soon.

Speculatively. Hypothetically. In no way, shape, or form confirmed by anyone on this forum.

One might also speculate that there will be no confirmation until the R&D has been completed and a viable/salable product is available, as any company offering up this opportunity may want to remain anonymous until things are complete as not to let down the perspective purchasing community. IMO, it probably would be one of the larger names in KDM and USDM tuning, as they would stand to benefit the most from this type of venture.

At the very least, hopefully one or two individuals from the forums have reached out to one of/both of these companies to see what can be done....perhaps even supplying initial parts for the process. Should that ever happen, I'm sure there will be quite a bit of interest here, as well as ever so 'subtle' hints dropped. Were that to happen, one might think the tuning company would ask to be left out of the conversation until they ask otherwise. Speculatively.

I am uncertain, but i think there are some threads out there looking for testing assistance for some sort of 'performance' parts for the V8. Who knows what that means, but you never know. It may be worth pursuing.

I agree!

 

[marinakorp]

Well, potentially, I may have a fist full of cash for the company that hypothetically may have cracked the 4.6 programming - depending of course on the provability of supposed performance increases.

 

[Tailwalker]

I would agree with you. Got my $$$ to send their way for sure.

If it was my hypothetical company, I would plan on doing the tune in association with one of my tuning events, which is always held at a location with a dyno. That way, 'we' could actively tune for the best results, and then could share and market.

 

[dmitriylm]

I would agree with you. Got my $$$ to send their way for sure.

If it was my hypothetical company, I would plan on doing the tune in association with one of my tuning events, which is always held at a location with a dyno. That way, 'we' could actively tune for the best results, and then could share and market.

I'm still not sure which vendor is involved but I've met Jay @ SFR a few times now during NorCal Gen Coupe tuning events.

 

[videopho]

"If there is a ... There is a ...".
As someone had posted previously.
And we always can hope.
I may try to ping Jay of SFR once again to get an update from him personally on this matter regarding where he is with the sedan's tune-ability.

Here are a couple of pics taken a while back when Jay was tuning my other mistress.

 

[84FordMan]

Guess the cats out of the bag.. (Plus some porn for 3.8 owners)

^ Which mysteriously looks like the APG Rotrex kit they used to sell for the 3.8 Coupe...

 

[Tailwalker]

. Still working on the 5.0 though

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[dmitriylm]

I'll likely have to wait a while after the 4.6 tune is released and see how everyone's cars are doing because I have horrible and fairly recent experience with BTR. They sold me an upgraded turbo kit (Tomei M7960) for my Genesis Coupe and I had nothing but trouble with their ECU tune. First it ran pig rich (like 9's at idle), then the replacement which took forever to show up from Korea wasn't properly setup for TPMS so I had a permanent light on my dash and the third ECU ran great at idle but lean at WOT (high 12's in a turbocharged vehicle!) so I completely gave up in their tunes as it simply wasn't trustworthy.

 

[84FordMan]

I'll likely have to wait a while after the 4.6 tune is released and see how everyone's cars are doing because I have horrible and fairly recent experience with BTR. They sold me an upgraded turbo kit (Tomei M7960) for my Genesis Coupe and I had nothing but trouble with their ECU tune. First it ran pig rich (like 9's at idle), then the replacement which took forever to show up from Korea wasn't properly setup for TPMS so I had a permanent light on my dash and the third ECU ran great at idle but lean at WOT (high 12's in a turbocharged vehicle!) so I completely gave up in their tunes as it simply wasn't trustworthy.

I feel ya, there really needs to be more competition in that department, besides SFR and BTR. Which is why I am happy to see Alphaspeed and "SnoopyPanda" leading the charge to turn Coupe tuning open source.

 

[Tailwalker]

We shall see what comes of it. Daividerle and I sent ECU's, and are waiting for an opportunity to get together with BTR and take the next step. I have no experience with any sort of tuning outside of bolt-on mods prior to this, but Sam has been great to work with.
I did try to reach out to SFR, but they never answered and never returned messages.

Obviously things are still in the preliminary stages. I will be cautiously optimistic. I will share as I am able.

 

[dmitriylm]

We shall see what comes of it. Daividerle and I sent ECU's, and are waiting for an opportunity to get together with BTR and take the next step. I have no experience with any sort of tuning outside of bolt-on mods prior to this, but Sam has been great to work with.
I did try to reach out to SFR, but they never answered and never returned messages.

Obviously things are still in the preliminary stages. I will be cautiously optimistic. I will share as I am able.

I'm looking forward to reading about your experience!

 

[Claylambo]

Any updates?

 

[Tailwalker]

Those of us that I know with the BTR tune are loving them. In conjunction with our upcoming supercharger kit, this car is going to be nuts.

 

[Dreamsy]

Those of us that I know with the BTR tune are loving them. In conjunction with our upcoming supercharger kit, this car is going to be nuts.

Its been long awaited, but for the 5.0 owners gonna run like sh**, the car is gonna be sluggish, and limp, not getting enough fuel to feed the forced induction, with baby snicker size injectors of like 280cc.

 

[Roc 5.0]

Dreamsy
Just for information, my supercharged and intercooled Miata has 500cc injectors. I think it is a lost battle. Hyundia seems to be putting their money into the V6 turbos and as any business leader would do, probably transfering engineering from any further development of the V8 to the V6. Current fixes do not seem to really work. Software guys outside of the company apparently realize that and are focused on the V6. More money to be made than any V8 mods. Again why I suggest NOx until something ever comes around for those of you that are not satisfied with current performance mods available. At least you would be able to put away Ms, Amgs and new mustangs without them knowing what has happened.. I'm happy to play with the non specality lines of the germans and Fords with what I have. More of them out there anyway that really like to try to run me.