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Super Unleaded test compared to Regular Unleaded:

I would appreciate if 2015 3.8 owners (AWD preferably) share their subjective experience of using Regular vs Premium with that vehicle.
I never tried Premium in mine, just followed the user's manual.
If switching from Regular to Premium would bump my MPG at least few miles, and, ideally, add some performance, I don't mind to switch at all.
Thanks in advance!
 
I would appreciate if 2015 3.8 owners (AWD preferably) share their subjective experience of using Regular vs Premium with that vehicle.
I never tried Premium in mine, just followed the user's manual.
If switching from Regular to Premium would bump my MPG at least few miles, and, ideally, add some performance, I don't mind to switch at all.
Thanks in advance!

I noticed a slight performance increase with premium, but the mileage was not different enough to justify the additional cost. I just use regular and there is certainly enough power to please me.
 
I have a 2015 3.8, RWD, and have been using Regular Unleaded from the beginning. I went my last 2 tanks, however, with Super, and I saw a slight decline in mpg with the super. I do not believe I was driving any differently than I normally do, so I will stick with regular. I had a 2012 4.6 and ran Regular and experiencing the same results(I used Super for the first 6 mos though) . I drive mixed Hwy and city (first half of trip is hwy, about 24 miles, then I hit city/ stop and go (6 miles (live in South Florida)). Maybe these conditions have to do with my experiences. It is only $3.00 - $5.00 at the pump after fill up, but that is my caramel macchiato if I decide to stop and get one!!
 
I have a 5.0 and it is tuned for Super Unleaded would be my guess as to why I see a slight improvement in the mileage with Super vs Regular Unleaded.
 
I have a 2014 5.0 R-Spec. Bought it new 6 weeks ago. I drive a lot, almost all highway obviously since I have 7,000 miles on it now.

I have run 91 and 87. I cannot detect any power difference. Further, I cannot find any difference in overall engine response, smoothness, etc.

As for MPG - It varies from 21.5 to 23 no matter what brand fuel I use or octane I use. The difference up or down is not related to fuel type or brand, but just variation in driving. I have logged each tank and compared the calculated to the car computer. The car computer is consistent about 0.5 MPG high. But I cannot see any logical objective trend up or down in fuel economy based upon octane or brand of fuel.

I also cannot subjectively determine any difference in performance. So, now I just use 87 and call it good.

Before this car I was driving a S550 with twin turbos. That vehicle had a noticeable difference in performance with 87 vs 91. But the Tau V8 being naturally aspirated doesn't seem to care much if at all.
 
I have a 2014 5.0 R-Spec. Bought it new 6 weeks ago. I drive a lot, almost all highway obviously since I have 7,000 miles on it now.

I have run 91 and 87. I cannot detect any power difference. Further, I cannot find any difference in overall engine response, smoothness, etc.

The quoted power difference is like 9HP as I recall. I think it would be very difficult for the average person to notice a 9HP difference when you are over 400HP to begin with. That said, I will use stick with premium. The cost over the span of a year isn't enough to notice.
 
The quoted power difference is like 9HP as I recall. I think it would be very difficult for the average person to notice a 9HP difference when you are over 400HP to begin with. That said, I will use stick with premium. The cost over the span of a year isn't enough to notice.

Whether it is $100 or $1000 over a year..... Why use it if there is no benefit in MPG, Engine Life, Usable Power, etc.?
 
I have a 2011 4.6, I can tell at the pump immediately when I run 87 octane. the power is barely noticed but with my driving style and all city driving I see a big drop in miles per gallon.
Just as an example my 87 octane mpg is calculated 14.2 mpg, when on 93 octane same driving its 16.8mpg.
 
If one wants to test differences between 93, yes I said 93, and 87, one of two things need to happen. Since the computer is adaptive over time, not instant, it will not instantly adjust the full curve for say premium. On the other hand, it is forced to react quickly to knocking with lower grade gas. Switching from one tank not completely empty of a octane to another is also a factor. Especially if running only 91 in the comparison.

So, one has to reset the computer once changing gas, or allow for time of 5 or more tanks of gas for it to adapt to the new higher octane.

This also assumes driving style stays the same, as the system is adaptive to the engine tune and transmission tune based on driving habits. Heavy foot, and both will adapt for demands of higher performance driving. This is not unusual..Chrysler Ford and other brands do the same thing.

And, one must not have a blended tanks of gas and should make sure using 93 for comparison. Especially ethanol free.

Many times, cheap gas companies just increase the ethanol to increase octane. Which then loses the thermodynamic properties of gas with lower ethanol content (regular).

I suggest using same brand name of gas for the comparison. Especially those who keep the Ethanol content the same between 87 and 93. They raise the octane with gas products, not cheap ass ethanol that has less BTU per gallon than gas (therefore offsetting any mileage and power increase of a naturally aspirated V8, because the octane was increased with less powerful fuel). From what I have experienced Shell, BP, Country Mark (where they sell ethanol free gas in either grade), do not increase Ethanol to fake out the octane increase. The ratios stay the same.

With that all said, the 5.0 Genny running 93, verses 87, will get better mileage and have a power difference you will see. Especially when running up against a vehicle that is just about as quick. What happens when running hard in such a setting, the knock sensors will kick in hard to back down the power, many times way more than published, just to keep the 5.0 which has been designed with premium in mind, and you will lose that encounter. Blaming it on transmission sluggishness (which is part of a byproduct of the knocking issue on 87), weak power, whatever.

If one wants to make a qualified judgement call on which gas to use, I suggest what I wrote above be followed. I have done the tests multiple times... I run high quality premium for better mileage that offsets its cost (most the time. Some gas dealers get greedy with premium price), it runs much better, and I have an edge in ultra high highway based challenges. And some local stop light or running street activities.
 
The Car computer is way off when it comes to calculating the true Avg MPG. I started using an app called FillUp to get more accurate MPG and have found the car to be at least 1 full point higher. At my last fill up, car said 21.6, but when calculating using the app, it actually came out to be 19.46 mpg average, so substantially lower. Could Hyundai be overstating the Avg MPG again, like they did on the last generation and had to end up sending cash cards to customers on a regular basis??
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Point well taken, DRS and makes perfect sense, probably needs at least 3-5 fill ups at the new octane rating.

"If one wants to test differences between 93, yes I said 93, and 87, one of two things need to happen. Since the computer is adaptive over time, not instant, it will not instantly adjust the full curve for say premium. On the other hand, it is forced to react quickly to knocking with lower grade gas. Switching from one tank not completely empty of a octane to another is also a factor. Especially if running only 91 in the comparison. "
 
As far as computed vs calculated MPG I have had several cars with computers, ALL have indicated 1 or more MPG higher than calculated.
 
Thanks UmALum1990
 
Point well taken, DRS and makes perfect sense, probably needs at least 3-5 fill ups at the new octane rating.

"If one wants to test differences between 93, yes I said 93, and 87, one of two things need to happen. Since the computer is adaptive over time, not instant, it will not instantly adjust the full curve for say premium. On the other hand, it is forced to react quickly to knocking with lower grade gas. Switching from one tank not completely empty of a octane to another is also a factor. Especially if running only 91 in the comparison. "
Good point. When I first got my 2014 rspec a month ago, the previous owner must have only used Premium. It felt like it had a ton of power and even torque steer under hard acceleration.

Tried two tanks of regular and it seems much more tame. Even after putting in two tanks of 91 (the best we have in CA), it doesn't seem to bring back that initial raw power it once had.
 
Good point. When I first got my 2014 rspec a month ago, the previous owner must have only used Premium. It felt like it had a ton of power and even torque steer under hard acceleration.

Tried two tanks of regular and it seems much more tame. Even after putting in two tanks of 91 (the best we have in CA), it doesn't seem to bring back that initial raw power it once had.

I doubt it is the fuel. You simply cannot feel 9 or 10 HP across 400 HP engine. The more likely reason is that you are used to it now.
 
For 5.0 I think it is a no-brainer because it is clearly described in the manual. The question is whether there is any benefit to 3.8...
 
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Good point. When I first got my 2014 rspec a month ago, the previous owner must have only used Premium. It felt like it had a ton of power and even torque steer under hard acceleration.

Tried two tanks of regular and it seems much more tame. Even after putting in two tanks of 91 (the best we have in CA), it doesn't seem to bring back that initial raw power it once had.

RWD cars do not normally exhibit torque steer. If it did, there was a shift of the rear wheels and the suspension components need to be looked at for wear.
 
Good point. When I first got my 2014 rspec a month ago, the previous owner must have only used Premium. It felt like it had a ton of power and even torque steer under hard acceleration.

Tried two tanks of regular and it seems much more tame. Even after putting in two tanks of 91 (the best we have in CA), it doesn't seem to bring back that initial raw power it once had.

Torque Steer??? Torque steer is the annoying tendency of a front-wheel drive car to pull to one side during hard acceleration. The problem is caused by an "imbalance" in the distribution of power to the front wheels.

It means torque steer is an inherent though undesirable characteristic of many front-wheel drive cars
 
Good point. When I first got my 2014 rspec a month ago, the previous owner must have only used Premium. It felt like it had a ton of power and even torque steer under hard acceleration.

Tried two tanks of regular and it seems much more tame. Even after putting in two tanks of 91 (the best we have in CA), it doesn't seem to bring back that initial raw power it once had.


I believe what you observed. For those who talk only 9 HP lost, it is related to much more than that. The entire power band is affected. And typically much more than a published spec. It has to respond instantaneous to the knocking, hard core. Especially if conditions of the air are not perfect for published spec measuring ( sea level, 29.98, 58 degrees, and 40% humidity or so). In some weather conditions, power across the curve can be increased beyond published spec by the programming (or forced to detune much more). The affect on the overall power band is much more than 9 HP at peak. You will feel the difference, as you have observed. And it will take some time to get the system set up back to the condition because it is set to adapt back slower.

As for the comments for those sniping from under the bridge about torque steer, I understand what you are saying. I assume you meant having to correct the wheel to keep it straight. Enough breakaway power in the power curve to cause the tires to supersede for a short time the nanny ESC. And kinda funny, because of the bushings and no rigid collars in the subframe/suspension mounts, the rear suspension May in fact "steer" a bit from intended line under certain torque related conditions. [emoji41]

In the old days, a engineer acquaintance at Ford had print outs of different graphs and curves for power at different conditions and fuel. He studied them for his autocross weekends we both competed. He would use them in a kinda secret way to understand how much toluene to sneak into the gas. He claimed toluene was like hooking up a O2 tank to the car. Giving it stronger O2 in combustion process. Generating more potential power with right CPU settings. And he would reset/program the CPU in the stock class car. Plus crank up the boost in a custom chassis modified class turbo car. He wanted to help me use toluene to pick up some extra power. I was too chicken to try.. Through him I learned about how the mapping works in general, and how different quality fuels affect how the CPU can help create power with higher octane (and in his case adding things that created stronger explosion in the cylinder, and the effects of higher lead free 100 aviation gas to those additives.. Verses lower octane).

That was in a time that compared to today, the computers and sensors were much more limited. With a high compression engine, adjustable cam timing that have aggressive limits, spark, GDI, and much more, available on the TAU ( and much better/faster CPUs and programming), what is possible today to detune (87 octane) high performance engines (conversely increase performance with optimal fuel) would be so much better.

It is asked above if the V6 is set up where 91-93 under 5% ethanol rating would help the HP curves. That is a question to Hyundai. In general, the V6 GDI has some nice and high compression. They would have to answer if the CPU, cam systems, and other things could take advantage of higher octane. In general publications I have not seen where they say it is optimal or designed to run with premium. I bet in some weather conditions, it could help IF the CPU mappings were designed to react quick enough to capture a advantage of some temporary weather condition. (Low altitude Ultra cold and dry as one example).
 
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