Synthetic Oil

[kn5owa]

I have used Mobil 1 synthetic since it came out in 1975 - best thing since sliced bread.

It was originally developed, in part, as a way to increase gas mileage - if anybody still remembers the gas lines in the '70's.

 

[Mark_888]

Any person used or recommended this oil?
Amazon.com: Mobil 1 5W-30 ESP Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Liter Bottles (case of 12): Automotive

Do not use that oil in an American, Japanese, or Korean car. It is designed for German engine specifications, with lower levels of zinc and phosphorous due to EU environmental laws and emissions system requirements. These are anti-wear agents.

I would recommend Mobil 1 5W-30 EP (Extended Protection), which is available at Walmart in 5-quart jugs for about $27. Regular Mobil 1 is about $25 per jug.

 

[BillZ]

Dealer = Oakville Hyundai...Got my oil changed today and they did have full synthetic as an option (Castrol Edge) which I went with...Cost was $94 + taxes...they also updated the navigation software apparently to address an issue with Sirius/XM radio.

Is that Oakville Ontario or Oakville Texas?

 

[ep010835]

Hyundai of Oakville
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Address: 2500 S Service Rd W, Oakville, ON L6L 5M9, Canada
Phone:+1 905-845-7791
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[silver]

Is there a crush washer that's used on the oil plug?

 

[Mark_888]

Is there a crush washer that's used on the oil plug?

Yes, and it comes with the OEM oil filter purchased from a dealer.

 

[CanukV6]

I have used Mobil 1 synthetic since it came out in 1975 - best thing since sliced bread.

It was originally developed, in part, as a way to increase gas mileage - if anybody still remembers the gas lines in the '70's.

I agree with Mobil-1 being one of the best oil products around, but it was originally developed for vehicles operating in the Arctic & Antarctica regions as well as other areas with very low temperatures. In addition to still flowing at -40Deg and below. they found that it also provided better wear and cleaner engines than conventional dino oils. When originally marketed to the public, it was labelled as a 0W-50 Synthetic oil, good for both winter and summer use.

 

[kn5owa]

I agree with Mobil-1 being one of the best oil products around, but it was originally developed for vehicles operating in the Arctic & Antarctica regions as well as other areas with very low temperatures. In addition to still flowing at -40Deg and below. they found that it also provided better wear and cleaner engines than conventional dino oils. When originally marketed to the public, it was labelled as a 0W-50 Synthetic oil, good for both winter and summer use.

I was a patent examiner at the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office when Mobil applied for patents on their synthetic oil. I got to know their engineers and company reps pretty well. This was back in the '70's.

The story I was given was that Mobil 1 was developed to alleviate gasoline shortages of which we allegedly had lots of in the '70's - at least we had gas lines and were told that was the reason. We even had price controls on gasoline which were dropped quickly. The I.R.S. had the job of watchdog just like they do now with obamacare.

I was also told that the oil was originally marketed in France for the following reason:

France, at the time, required proof of advertising claims. Mobil wanted to advertise in France with the requisite proof that their oil would yield a 5% increase in gas mileage. They did so both in France and the U.S. very aggressively. In other words, the French experience was supposed to buttress their U.S. advertising.

The increase in mileage was one of the reasons I switched to Mobil 1, also. I calculated at the time that the savings in gasoline easily outweighed the increased cost of the synthetic oil.

Mobil 1 has always offered the associated advantages that you mentioned, but I was told by the engineers and marketers the above narrative, relative to gasoline conservation.

 

[CanukV6]

You may well be correct regarding the fuel-saving advantages in the US and France in the Seventies, but I believe the first use of Mobil Synthetic oil was in the late Sixties in the far north. When I lived in the UK we could get Mobil Synthetic Oil in the early Seventies (1971-1972) and at that time it was marketed for its superior lubrication qualities rather than fuel saving. At a time when it was almost a requirement to change oil grades according to the season, the opportunity to use one oil all year round, offset the considerable additional cost.

 

[kn5owa]

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[CanukV6]

Cool. This confirms both of our stories.

 

[uncarich]

Here in Central Florida dealers recommend heavy use regime for oil change at 3700 mi. They use regular oil not synthetic and that covers warranty issue. To change synthetic that often would be a waste of cash.

 

[kn5owa]

Cool. This confirms both of our stories.

Actually, my factual account of Mobil 1 synthetic oil development wasn't really a story.

As I related, I talked directly with the inventors/engineers and the marketing people for Mobil in my capacity at the U.S. Patent & Trademark office.

Their accounts, not surprisingly, coincide with the account on the Mobil history website. To wit, Mobil 1 was developed as an energy saving product, and was test marketed in Europe (France) followed by full marketing in the U.S.

 

[CanukV6]

Here in Central Florida dealers recommend heavy use regime for oil change at 3700 mi. They use regular oil not synthetic and that covers warranty issue. To change synthetic that often would be a waste of cash.

I agree that to change Synthetic Oil every 3700 miles would be a waste, but that change interval is not required to maintain the warranty, even for heavy use. Of course Dealers would like you to change oil that frequently, but it is really not a requirement. Regardless of what the Dealer (or indeed the manufacturer) might recommend, they would have to prove that not changing your oil was the cause of any engine related failure to not cover it under warranty.

 

[CanukV6]

Actually, my factual account of Mobil 1 synthetic oil development wasn't really a story.

As I related, I talked directly with the inventors/engineers and the marketing people for Mobil in my capacity at the U.S. Patent & Trademark office.

Their accounts, not surprisingly, coincide with the account on the Mobil history website. To wit, Mobil 1 was developed as an energy saving product, and was test marketed in Europe (France) followed by full marketing in the U.S.

I am certainly not arguing with you that the reason it was introduced in the USA was for fuel-saving purposes, I was only pointing out that it was originally developed in the sixties for low-temperature applications and then developed into a commercially available synthetic called Mobil-1 released in Europe in the early Seventies as a 0W-50 high-performance year-round engine oil.

To quote, "Formulation changes are made to test a fuel-saving 5W-20 grade in the USA, which becomes Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil."

 

[MIKES3]

I've used Mobil 1 in all my cars and I use it in the Genesis. How ever I used the wrong viscosity and cant wait to change it

 

[kn5owa]

I've used Mobil 1 in all my cars and I use it in the Genesis. How ever I used the wrong viscosity and cant wait to change it

I've used it since 1975.

What viscosity did you use? - you couldn't go too far wrong.

The 5-20 currently recommended, yields the best mileage - but I can't imagine anything else would be all that bad.

 

[lobsenza]

I use 0w-30 Mobil 1 on my Genesis V8. It is an acceptable oil on the V8. I am concerned that the 5w-20 oil is too thin when the engine is very hot. I actually noticed a difference in one of my other vehicles in mid summer in TX; the engine had a ticking sound on 0w-20 which went away with 0w-30. i doubt i will ever see the gas mileage difference.

 

[soldonandy]

Here in Central Florida dealers recommend heavy use regime for oil change at 3700 mi. They use regular oil not synthetic and that covers warranty issue. To change synthetic that often would be a waste of cash.

I was told that regular oil is what is required in this vehicle and I may be wrong but I thought the manual says the same thing?

Also, other than using the correct weight for your particular climate, for those of you that recommend one brand over the other, what do you notice when using one brand vs. the other? I never realized that oil brand had any appreciable differences.

 

[lobsenza]

Synthetic oil withstands high and low temperatures much better than standard oil. There is less engine wear during cold start-ups and driving in the heat of summer. There are many studies online. I use Mobil 1 0w-30 in my Genesis and other vehicles. I chose Mobil 1 because of the cost and the quality of Mobil 1 in independent tests. The cost is $27 for 5 quarts at Wal-Mart. There are other good synthetic options as well.

I prefer 0w-30 over 0w-20 because because of high temperature performance. I do not believe 0w-20 provides sufficient protection in the middle of summer. I could actually hear the tapping of the engine when hot in summer in another one of my vehicles with 0w-20 oil. The sound went away with 0w-30.