Hyundai Genesis vs Toyota Avalon

[Mark_888]

@Everyone: Thank you once again for all the help and information.

@Geops and / or Everyone: I had a few questions regarding the $2,000.00 warranty.

Question 1: Is the $2,000.00 extended warranty you're referring to the Hyundai Platinum Plan extended warranty, or is the Platinum Plan warranty more expensive?

Question 2: If more expensive, by how much?

Question 3: I already think I know the answer to this question - which is "no", but out of curiosity, does the extended warranty only apply to certified pre-owned vehicles?

I only ask as I've heard that factory warranties (for some makes) can be transferred from one private party to another.

So, let's say I purchased a Genesis from a private party on Craigslist and had that person's factory warranty transferred over to my name. Could I then apply for a HPP extended warranty?

Question 4: If you answered yes to question 3, would you personally ever buy a used Genesis from a private party rather than a dealer? Almost every person I've ever asked about this has said no, but one person at work mentioned that if I have all the cash up front, I could save an extra $5,000.00 - $7,500.00.

Note: If buying from a private party, I'd make sure to look up the VIN on CarFax (to make sure there were no accidents, that it was owned by one person, that the car was properly maintained, that the car wasn't purchased out of state and that it wasn't a rental or corporate vehicle) and then have the car checked by both a Hyundai dealer mechanic as well as a 3rd party mechanic before exchanging any money.

Thank you,
Nelson

The Platinum HPP extended warranty covers everything, so that is the one you want. The price you will pay for an extended warranty can vary from dealer to dealer. Some dealers will try and rip you off big time. When I bought my car new, they offered it for $3K. When I said no, the offered it at $2.5K. When I said no, they offered it at $2K, etc. There is no such thing as a "$2000 warranty," since it just depends on what the dealer is offering or what one member paid some dealer.

If you already have a CPO car, there is a slightly different HPP extended warranty called a CPO wrap, that should be a little less expensive than the regular one, since the CPO already provides the drivetrain warranty.

Since the HPP extended warranty is a Hyundai Motor America warranty, your VIN will be entered into Hyundai computers and I believe it stays with the car if you sell it, just like the original manufacturer's warranty. Ask the dealer for details. If you get some other extended warranty, I don't know. Many dealers will try and sell you a non-Hyundai extended warranty, so if you want the HPP Platinum you must be absolutely sure that is what you are getting.

You can purchase an HPP extended warranty from any dealer, online or on the phone or in person. There are threads on this forum that mention specific dealers who give good deals on the HPP extended warranty on the phone. I would recommend you find those posts.

 

[qstarweb]

Last year I owned a 2002 Toyota Avalon that was in great condition despite having around 175000 miles on it, and it was nice and quite comfortable, until 5 weeks later I discovered the oil leak that the Toyota dealer didn't tell me about when I bought it.

I just got a 2012 Genesis 5.0 it's so much better overall. The closest I could get to this car is to pay about $10,000 more for a 2011 model Infiniti M56.

I'd say go with a Genesis, and all you have to decide is which year, colors, and whether you want a 3.8 V6, or the V8 in either a 4.6 or 5.0 versions. You won't go wrong with any of them. I test drove the 3.8 and 5.0 in 2012 model years and ended up getting the latter.

Dean

 

[daviderle]

The wording is confusing, however, it has been demonstrated by some owners (by contacting Hyundai Motor America) that the above interpretation is not correct, and that those things are in fact covered. What is not covered are after-market items.

I don't blame anyone for mis-interpretation, because it is very poorly worded, and no one knew for sure until they contacted Hyundai corporate. There are several threads in this forum regarding this subject.

The new one might!?, but the old one that I have for both my Genesis cars, explicitly excludes "near object avoidance systems and all laser radar cruise conrol components.", I know because they (both Jim Ellis who sold me both warranties and one other dealer near me) refused to replace my temperamental rear passenger side 'sensor' on my 2009, due this exclusion! And talking to Hyundai America multiple times did little to change anyone's mind regarding this specific issue....

Yet they had no problem replacing the entire back seat and match the leather due some faulty headrest mounts as well a loose rear view mirror on the same vehicle, with $0 detectable early last year, go figure!

 

[Mark_888]

The new one might!?, but the old one that I have for both my Genesis cars, explicitly excludes "near object avoidance systems and all laser radar cruise conrol components.", I know because they (both Jim Ellis who sold me both warranties and one other dealer near me) refused to replace my temperamental rear passenger side 'sensor' on my 2009, due this exclusion! And talking to Hyundai America multiple times did little to change anyone's mind regarding this specific issue....

Yet they had no problem replacing the entire back seat and match the leather due some faulty headrest mounts as well a loose rear view mirror on the same vehicle, with $0 detectable early last year, go figure!

I am not sure if the wording changed or not, but some members reported taking it to HMA, and they said it is covered, just poorly worded (trying to exclude after market items). Those posts are somewhere in this forum.

 

[PMCErnie]

Last year I owned a 2002 Toyota Avalon that was in great condition despite having around 175000 miles on it, and it was nice and quite comfortable, until 5 weeks later I discovered the oil leak that the Toyota dealer didn't tell me about when I bought it.

I just got a 2012 Genesis 5.0 it's so much better overall. The closest I could get to this car is to pay about $10,000 more for a 2011 model Infiniti M56.

I'd say go with a Genesis, and all you have to decide is which year, colors, and whether you want a 3.8 V6, or the V8 in either a 4.6 or 5.0 versions. You won't go wrong with any of them. I test drove the 3.8 and 5.0 in 2012 model years and ended up getting the latter.

Dean

Not to spoil your day, but some 2012 5.0 engines have oil burning problems. Hopefully, somebody here will tell you the build dates involved. Or, you can search here for more info.

 

[geops]

The Platinum HPP extended warranty covers everything, so that is the one you want. The price you will pay for an extended warranty can vary from dealer to dealer. Some dealers will try and rip you off big time. When I bought my car new, they offered it for $3K. When I said no, the offered it at $2.5K. When I said no, they offered it at $2K, etc. There is no such thing as a "$2000 warranty," since it just depends on what the dealer is offering or what one member paid some dealer.

If you already have a CPO car, there is a slightly different HPP extended warranty called a CPO wrap, that should be a little less expensive than the regular one, since the CPO already provides the drivetrain warranty.

Since the HPP extended warranty is a Hyundai Motor America warranty, your VIN will be entered into Hyundai computers and I believe it stays with the car if you sell it, just like the original manufacturer's warranty. Ask the dealer for details. If you get some other extended warranty, I don't know. Many dealers will try and sell you a non-Hyundai extended warranty, so if you want the HPP Platinum you must be absolutely sure that is what you are getting.

You can purchase an HPP extended warranty from any dealer, online or on the phone or in person. There are threads on this forum that mention specific dealers who give good deals on the HPP extended warranty on the phone. I would recommend you find those posts.

I was just trying to give him an average price point for the HMA Platinum warranty.
To answer another question, I would try and buy a CPO vehicle unless I can save $7-8K which would cover a major repair in the future.

 

[Mark_888]

I was just trying to give him an average price point for the HMA Platinum warranty.
To answer another question, I would try and buy a CPO vehicle unless I can save $7-8K which would cover a major repair in the future.

Yes, I understood that, but he thought there was such a thing as a "$2000 warranty" and that if he paid $2000 that he would be certain to get the same warranty your had.

If one gets the HPP (Hyundai Protection Plan) Platinum warranty, then it would cover all the same things as the CPO (drivetrain), plus every thing else (although there is some disagreement about the radar stuff). A dealer will normally charge about $1000 more for CPO designation, since that is about what they have to pay Hyundai to get the drivetrain warranty extended.

 

[qstarweb]

Not to spoil your day, but some 2012 5.0 engines have oil burning problems. Hopefully, somebody here will tell you the build dates involved. Or, you can search here for more info.

March 2012 so I hope it's one built after that problem was worked out. The carfax report only reflects regular maintenance having been done, nothing otherwise replaced or repaired.

Dean

 

[Mark_888]

March 2012 so I hope it's one built after that problem was worked out. The carfax report only reflects regular maintenance having been done, nothing otherwise replaced or repaired.

Dean

You will be able to know rather quickly by checking your oil level frequently (once per week).

 

[PMCErnie]

March 2012 so I hope it's one built after that problem was worked out. The carfax report only reflects regular maintenance having been done, nothing otherwise replaced or repaired.

Dean

Here is one thread.

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=17738

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[qstarweb]

You will be able to know rather quickly by checking your oil level frequently (once per week).

I will certainly check the oil often and watch for it. But there is one good indication, the previous owner had kept the car the full three years of the lease and then lease another Genesis 5.0 to replace it. I have driven it about 500 miles so far and I'll check the oil before driving again and go forward from there.

Dean

 

[qstarweb]

Here is one thread.

http://genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=17738

Thanks. From what I've read it sounds like the 2012 5.0 engines that do have this issue seem to suffer from flawed parts used. Mine was build in early March of 2012 so it's close to the time where apparently the problem was fixed by changing the defective part that was used in the earlier ones.

Are there any figures on what percent of the 2012 5.0 engines had this issue, perhaps by month they were built? I would guess, odds are, even for the earlier built 2012 models this issue is probably occurring in a small percent of them but for the one owner who has this problem, the percent doesn't matter when it plagues their car.

This issues gets ones attention and is clearly a concern. But everything otherwise about the Genesis has been great, and it provides an amazing combination of comfort and performance, and it's easy to drive, than anything I've owned or driven before.

Dean