2016 Audi A8 L - The bar is still pretty high

[jsmit86]

Haha, sorry to disappoint - everything is public knowledge (don't think Kia employees would be privy to Hyundai info. unless it's someone like Herr Schreyer).




HMA has been breaking out the monthly sales of the sedan in the comment section of their monthly sales report the past couple of months and previously, from time to time, would release the # of sedans sold for a certain time period.




http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hyundai-motor-america-reports-april-sales-300261970.html

Nice! I had not seen the press release. The fact that they broke out Sedans is interesting, and recent. Frankly, I never saw that prior to last month.

My comment was partially inspired by that fact that your had the Sedan at 2274 in you post, which was a typo. The actual number 2,724 was pretty close to my estimate. In any event a good month for Genesis.

 

[Nikgen]

Yes, although this is true to a degree for the entire luxury sedan category. I had shopped a used LS before settling on the Genesis and was amazed at how cheap A7s were on the used market. I wouldn't have the stomach for an out of warranty high end German car, but for those with a higher risk tolerance there are some sweet deals to be had. Conversely, shelling out THAT much cash new on a car whose value is going to drop like a stone does not appeal to me. There's a reason most of these things are leased.

Drove a co-workers CPO 2013 A8L yesterday. It had 47K miles on it and they got it for $46K - so pretty high depreciation.

Also, while I love my G2 and it is a great car and a phenominal value - no one should kid themselves into thinking it is even remotely on par with the A8! The level of refinement, fit and finish, material and switchgear quality, ride and quietness were VERY noticeably better in the A8 (as they should be for what a new A8 costs).

 

[srobak]

no one should kid themselves into thinking it is even remotely on par with the A8! The level of refinement, fit and finish, material and switchgear quality, ride and quietness were VERY noticeably better in the A8 (as they should be for what a new A8 costs).

Yeah I am not sure why people keep trying to compare the G2 to cars that are OUT of it's class.... Either against 3 series in order to try to prove a point financially, or against 7 series, S class and A8s to try to prove a point with fit & finish.

One more time... G90 is in the competition class of XJL, 7 series, A8, Merc S. Might not get ALL the way there to those - but damned close and for a whole lot cheaper.

G80/G2 is in the competition class of 5 series, A6, Merc E, etc.

 

[Genentec]

imo the g80 and g90 are too close to each other for anyone to consider paying the premium of the g90.

Yeah I am not sure why people keep trying to compare the G2 to cars that are OUT of it's class.... Either against 3 series in order to try to prove a point financially, or against 7 series, S class and A8s to try to prove a point with fit & finish.

One more time... G90 is in the competition class of XJL, 7 series, A8, Merc S. Might not get ALL the way there to those - but damned close and for a whole lot cheaper.

G80/G2 is in the competition class of 5 series, A6, Merc E, etc.

 

[kn5owa]

imo the g80 and g90 are too close to each other for anyone to consider paying the premium of the g90.

G90 has more gadgets - which is clearly a subject of fascination for many.

 

[Jaeger]

Also, while I love my G2 and it is a great car and a phenominal value - no one should kid themselves into thinking it is even remotely on par with the A8! The level of refinement, fit and finish, material and switchgear quality, ride and quietness were VERY noticeably better in the A8 (as they should be for what a new A8 costs).

Agreed - the A8 is and should be the better car given the huge price differential.

 

[Nikgen]

imo the g80 and g90 are too close to each other for anyone to consider paying the premium of the g90.

Huh??? There is a huge difference between the 2 cars! For starters, the G90 is much larger, you can get AWD with the 5.0 (and the 3.3 TT) and the interior is a class above (and then some)!

 

[kn5owa]

Huh??? There is a huge difference between the 2 cars! For starters, the G90 is much larger, you can get AWD with the 5.0 (and the 3.3 TT) and the interior is a class above (and then some)!

But can you get a 5.0 on the G80 with any kind of drive? I got a lot of mixed indicators in searching the 'net.

 

[Nikgen]

But can you get a 5.0 on the G80 with any kind of drive? I got a lot of mixed indicators in searching the 'net.

The best info we currently have is the Genesis Motors USA site, which shows the G80 will be available with both the 3.8 and 5.0 engines - same as the current Genesis. Likely no 5.0 AWD... but you never know?

 

[wasnt]

...Although twice the price...

Exactly. Why compare our car to one that is twice the price?

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[kn5owa]

The best info we currently have is the Genesis Motors USA site, which shows the G80 will be available with both the 3.8 and 5.0 engines - same as the current Genesis. Likely no 5.0 AWD... but you never know?

Hey! That's what I wanted to hear. Give me my 5.0 V8 - I don't want awd/don't need it.

1. I grew up with V8's

2. I know how to service the 2G V8 and have acquired maybe $1000 in specialized tools/equipment for that engine.

3. Lastly, the V8 is a proven engine, After a few other people experiment with the "turbo"'s , i'll take a look. Right now, I would equate a "turbo" engine with a "sunroof" option - the less said about that, the better.

 

[Nikgen]

Hey! That's what I wanted to hear. Give me my 5.0 V8 - I don't want awd/don't need it.

1. I grew up with V8's

2. I know how to service the 2G V8 and have acquired maybe $1000 in specialized tools/equipment for that engine.

3. Lastly, the V8 is a proven engine, After a few other people experiment with the "turbo"'s , i'll take a look. Right now, I would equate a "turbo" engine with a "sunroof" option - the less said about that, the better.

Turbo is proven technology at this point as well...

 

[ksoze]

Exactly. Why compare our car to one that is twice the price?

Two reasons. Every car in its class compared to the Genesis is more, some significantly. A loaded BMW 550i could clock in close to double. Second, as I stated in the OP it was not a direct competitor due to size, but the fit, finish and attention to detail were striking enough to bring up. Those same things apply on Audi's cars in its direct class, so the point was about the finesse and attention that comes with the price but also how well Genesis competes, but still needs to go.

Relax. It's a compliment that this car can be compared with a car twice the price.

 

[Jaeger]

Two reasons. Every car in its class compared to the Genesis is more, some significantly. A loaded BMW 550i could clock in close to double. Second, as I stated in the OP it was not a direct competitor due to size, but the fit, finish and attention to detail were striking enough to bring up. Those same things apply on Audi's cars in its direct class, so the point was about the finesse and attention that comes with the price but also how well Genesis competes, but still needs to go.

Relax. It's a compliment that this car can be compared with a car twice the price.

Size isn't the reason it's not a direct competitor. Price is. You could just as well compare it to a Bentley and say, gee, the Genesis really has a long way to go. Because if it's valid to compare a vehicle that's twice the price, what's wrong with comparing a vehicle three or four times the price?

 

[ksoze]

Size isn't the reason it's not a direct competitor. Price is. You could just as well compare it to a Bentley and say, gee, the Genesis really has a long way to go. Because if it's valid to compare a vehicle that's twice the price, what's wrong with comparing a vehicle three or four times the price?

Audi is a competitor to the Genesis, Bentley is not. If you think the fit, finish, detail (switchgear,etc.) is the same as the Hyundai, you need to get out more. Also, if this comparison bothers you, just skip this thread

 

[Nikgen]

It's a compliment that this car can be compared with a car twice the price.

true... but it the Genesis is a significantly lesser vehicle in virtually every aspect - not the least of which is the service experience. My-brother-in law gets a current model Audi loaner (a4, A6, Q5 - hell he even got an A8 once) when he leaves his S4 in for a simple oil change! That is obviously part of the price, but buyers in this price range expect that kind of treatment. Saving money, but having to deal with the horrible Genesis service experience at most Hyundai dealers, is not something most will want to deal with (or will be annoyed with post purchase).

Don't get me wrong - the Genesis is a great vehicle and the value is there. But trying to compare it to an A8 is pretty much irrelevant.

 

[jimb100]

true... but it the Genesis is a significantly lesser vehicle in virtually every aspect - not the least of which is the service experience. My-brother-in law gets a current model Audi loaner (a4, A6, Q5 - hell he even got an A8 once) when he leaves his S4 in for a simple oil change! That is obviously part of the price, but buyers in this price range expect that kind of treatment. Saving money, but having to deal with the horrible Genesis service experience at most Hyundai dealers, is not something most will want to deal with (or will be annoyed with post purchase).

Don't get me wrong - the Genesis is a great vehicle and the value is there. But trying to compare it to an A8 is pretty much irrelevant.

Its not irrelevant if you make the comparison between a new Genesis and a 2 or 3 year old Audi A8. A 3 year old A8 that's certified with a bumper to bumper warranty can be cleaned up to look like new since the quality of materials in the Audi is excellent.

I decided to go with the Genesis because, unlike most people, I'm retired and expect to keep the car the better part of 10 years.

But to be dismissive and say the comparison is "irrelevant" is unhelpful.

 

[ksoze]

Don't get me wrong - the Genesis is a great vehicle and the value is there. But trying to compare it to an A8 is pretty much irrelevant.

Jeez. Last time to try and expalin: I related a story of a friends new A8 and highlighted its fit, finish and MMI system which exceeds the Hyundai. I said it is not in the same class. That's it. The same basic focus of the post could also be said of the other Audi models, which are more of a direct competitor.

I am tempted now to post a thread comparing the Genesis to a GE refrigerator just see everyone flip out

 

[lobsenza]

The A6 is probably closer to the Genesis. I did compare an A6, a CTS, and a BMW 5 series when I purchased the Genesis.

When you add used, you can certainly go upscale. One concern I had was safety. The Genesis is excellent and in 2015 exceeded all of the vehicles above. When you look at most used, safety goes down because of the major safety improvements that have occurred in the last few years.

 

[jimb100]

It seems to me that most of this comparison talk centers around the interior fit, finish and materials. Sure, its the part we see and touch the most, buts in reality, its a small part of the car itself.

Style, beauty is into the eye of the beholder but, I think the Audi's paint and sheet metal are comparable to Audi.

Engine, transmission, in terms of gas mileage, reliability, very comparable.

Suspension, Audi here may have a slight edge but more due to size than any intrinsic quality difference.

Electronics, very comparable with the Ultimate package, perhaps even an edge to Genesis.

Glass, about the same, sunroofs, steering wheel, exhaust.

Interior fit, materials and design seem to be where the big difference lies. Well, that and status.

So, can you compare the Audi and the Genesis? I don't see why not.