Genesis G70 Reviews

[Gianttama]

thanks BlancaGenny and EdP for the explanation.

and just to throw in some numbers for comparison, my IS350 averages 13.5L/100km. maybe 90/10 city/highway driving, lots of stop-and-go in city and downtown vancouver.

 

[canucklehead604]

this guy, Zach Spencer, is a solid CDN reviewer who generally has relevant opinions.

nice to see some video of that Quebec track experiecne too:

 

[BlancaGenny]

Good explanation. Keep in mind, the same engine in two different cars can be tuned to give different results also. The powertrain can also differ with gear ratio. Think of them as fraternal, not identical twins. They share may parts but are adjusted to appeal to different market segments.

That's correct. The tuning of fuel, spark, amount of fuel, difference in the gear ratios, etc. all have to do with a car's behavior. I've driven a Stinger with the 3.3 and I'm curious to how similar/different they would feel in the power department. Over 2,300 or so RPM in the Stinger, it pulled hard.

 

[devellis]

That's correct. The tuning of fuel, spark, amount of fuel, difference in the gear ratios, etc. all have to do with a car's behavior. I've driven a Stinger with the 3.3 and I'm curious to how similar/different they would feel in the power department. Over 2,300 or so RPM in the Stinger, it pulled hard.

You guys are exactly right. Even stuff like exhaust back pressure (does one system have a bend to get around something that the other doesn't?) and operating temperature (does the body work on one allow for freer air flow over the engine?) can significantly impact dyno results. So, two very similar cars won't necessarily yield the same results.

 

[g70manual]

I found another review:
FIRST DRIVE: Sporty 2019 G70 joins Genesis family

Hopefully the news in the US availability thread is true and we'll start to see reviews of the g70 here soon!

 

[Beefer]

Sweet and Sour review...

 

[devellis]

Every time I see a Canadian review it reminds me of the things that fall by the wayside in the US, like down-grading the free service from 5 years to 3 and having to go through the old-fashioned dealership process rather than the direct purchase mechanism. The Stinger took a huge hit in the US relative to the Canadian version. I hope Genesis doesn't pull this nonsense with the US spec G70. Not only does it lower the value of the car but it's a real turn-off knowing that goodies are being withheld.

 

[g70manual]

New review! (though maybe I should not get too excited since the US launch is still unknown...)
First Drive: 2019 Genesis G70 – WHEELS.ca

 

[devellis]

This most recent review notes the oddity of the automatic shifter, with Park as a separate button. As they suggest, I see it as a potential safety hazard. Yes, drivers will eventually adapt to it but what happens in the meantime? People are so accustomed to the standard order of gearing that I think this will result in more than a few mishaps. To be honest, the present system isn't great either (pull the lever all the way back to go forward and then move it forward when you want to back up?) but at least everybody has pretty much gotten used to it by now. Households with two cars, one having the now standard gear locations and the other having these new locations as on the G70, will be especially susceptible to mishaps. If I got a G70 as my main drive and my wife needed to use it, I can easily see how she might put it into the wrong gear. And, to be honest, once I adapted to the new pattern, I might make the same mistake if I jumped into her car for a quick errand. Creating the opportunity for such errors seems at odds with the trend toward making everything safer.

I just don't see any clear advantage to the new system. There's a learning principle called "negative interference," which occurs when one behavior is similar enough to another that the two are easily confused. Some cars have push-button shifters in the middle of the wheel. That setup is different enough from a console-mounted shifter that negative interference would be minimal. If you're used to a console shifter and go looking for it in one of those cars, you simply won't find it. There's no opportunity to fall into a pre-learned pattern that is actually incorrect for the current situation. But with the new G70 automatic shift lever (and Genesis isn't the only one who has it), it's very easy to mindlessly reach for the lever expecting it to do what you expect a console-mounted lever to do. Only it doesn't. It works differently.

This sort of change is fine when (a) it offers clear advantages over pre-existing configurations and (b) there are clear cues that things are set up differently. I'm not sure that either of those factors are sufficiently strong to recommend the shifting system that Genesis has put into place. Sure, if you look, you'll see that things are set up differently. But lots of people don't look that carefully. I guess similar arguments could be made for the inconsistencies between a console-mounted automatic and a standard shifter. And they're valid. But by now, we've largely figured that one out. I'm sure there were plenty of stalled engines and maybe even a few other, more extreme surprises during that transition. But the difference in functionality between manual and automatic transmissions (no matter which you prefer) is undeniable. So, some birthing pains during the transition (in either direction) is offset by that functionality. With this "new" shift pattern on an automatic that doesn't really seem to work any differently than most, that trade-off isn't there. Yes, we'll get through the transition. Most of us will never have a mishap. But I can pretty much guarantee that some people will. And what will they have gained in return?

 

[EdP]

This most recent review notes the oddity of the automatic shifter, with Park as a separate button. As they suggest, I see it as a potential safety hazard. Yes, drivers will eventually adapt to it but what happens in the meantime?

I just don't see any clear advantage to the new system.

This sort of change is fine when (a) it offers clear advantages over pre-existing configurations and (b) there are clear cues that things are set up differently. Yes, we'll get through the transition. Most of us will never have a mishap. But I can pretty much guarantee that some people will. And what will they have gained in return?

I don't see a mishap as there is a fail-safe. Leave the car in gear, shut off the engine and it will put itself into PARK. No input needed. Hey, maybe that is even safer than the old methods.

You cannot shift into gear unless your foot is on the brake.

It did seem a bit strange at first, but having driven my shift-by-wire G80 for 10,000 miles, I kind of like it now. If I drop off someone I always shift out of gear to avoid a potential mishap. That goes with any transmission of shift mechanism.

I can't say there is a clear advantage of this setup, but it is not a great danger and since it puts itself into park, it may overall be safer.

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[devellis]

What if someone pushes the lever fully forward, assuming it's then in Park, and takes their foot of the break, or even "revs" the engine (again, thinking it's in Park)?

 

[joneillnj]

I don't see a mishap as there is a fail-safe. Leave the car in gear, shut off the engine and it will put itself into PARK. No input needed. Hey, maybe that is even safer than the old methods.

You cannot shift into gear unless your foot is on the brake.

It did seem a bit strange at first, but having driven my shift-by-wire G80 for 10,000 miles, I kind of like it now. If I drop off someone I always shift out of gear to avoid a potential mishap. That goes with any transmission of shift mechanism.

I can't say there is a clear advantage of this setup, but it is not a great danger and since it puts itself into park, it may overall be safer.

The P button in front of the shifter is a bad design. My Audi has the P button right on the shifter itself. It is a more logical placement and I do like the electronic shifter better than the old mechanical ones - pull it back to switch from D to Sport mode (engine and transmission only - there is a separate control for overall drive mode) or push it right for manual control (in addition to paddles).

Good:
https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2018-audi-s5-20.jpg

Not so good:
https://www.genesis.com/content/dam...allery/interior/genesis-g70-gallery-in-04.jpg

 

[Beefer]

The P button in front of the shifter is a bad design. My Audi has the P button right on the shifter itself. It is a more logical placement and I do like the electronic shifter better than the old mechanical ones - pull it back to switch from D to Sport mode (engine and transmission only - there is a separate control for overall drive mode) or push it right for manual control (in addition to paddles).

Good:
https://c.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2018-audi-s5-20.jpg

Not so good:
https://www.genesis.com/content/dam...allery/interior/genesis-g70-gallery-in-04.jpg

I don't get the difference?

Audi has Park button...on the shifter. Then you have R, N and D...in that order from front of car to back.
G70 has a Park button...separate from shifter. Then you have R, N and D...in that order from front of car to back.

Same...right? What am I missing?

 

[canucklehead604]

^^ that is odd. wouldn't be surprised if that gets tweaked for a mid-cycle refresh or sooner.

fortunately those of us opting for the 6MT don't have to worry about it. we also get the tried-and-tested manual handbrake lever which is great. i'll take that any day over buttons or the foot brake.

 

[joneillnj]

I don't get the difference?

Audi has Park button...on the shifter. Then you have R, N and D...in that order from front of car to back.
G70 has a Park button...separate from shifter. Then you have R, N and D...in that order from front of car to back.

Same...right? What am I missing?

You don't have to reach in front of the shifter and press a buttom down - you "grab" the shifter (as you would to move a conventional shifter into park) and just press the P button with your thumb. It's a more familiar motion and more ergonomic than the Genesis setup (and many people drive with their hand resting on the shifter to begin with - so an easy motion at shut down). You also have the extra "flick" back for Sport Mode and the ability to push the shifter to the right to engage manual shifting with the shift lever (in addition to be able to use the paddles), if desired.

Also, the electronic parking brake switch is right there as well:

 

[Toddasaurus]

^^ that is odd. wouldn't be surprised if that gets tweaked for a mid-cycle refresh or sooner.

fortunately those of us opting for the 6MT don't have to worry about it. we also get the tried-and-tested manual handbrake lever which is great. i'll take that any day over buttons or the foot brake.

This is something I will be jealous of... I wish the 3.3 would come with M/T as an option, with that glorious manual handbrake.

 

[EdP]

What if someone pushes the lever fully forward, assuming it's then in Park, and takes their foot of the break, or even "revs" the engine (again, thinking it's in Park)?

If they do not push the button on the shift knob, it will just go to neutral and you can rev away. If you do push the button and go into revers you can easily tell you are in reverse. If you cannot tell by looking at the dash or feeling it, turn in your license as you should not be driving. I just checked to see how easy it is to do such a thing and it is not any better or worse than what you would do with the old style. If your foot is not on the brake, you are not going into reverse.

Nothing is foolproof. Look how many people make the new driving into store fronts and restaurants with traditional shifters and think they have there foot on the brake.

 

[Buckdes]

I dont see a big deal never even thought this was an issue i like the push button, drive to a stop - keep foot on break- push P button- check cluster for the P takes 3 seconds....

 

[Beefer]

My wife has the same thing in her new Pilot...and it is actually even worse. No shifter...just buttons you press for everything. 10x more awful...but got used to it in a week.

Like someone one said...driving/parking a car requires full concentration and monitoring of everything you do. If you put it in R when wanting to go F...or visa versa...you probably have consumed too much alcohol...or should not be driving period

 

[K-Rock]

I dont see a big deal never even thought this was an issue i like the push button, drive to a stop - keep foot on break- push P button- check cluster for the P takes 3 seconds....

People should learn this as a best practice. The selection you think you've made is rumor. The actual selection happening in the machine and sending a signal to the cluster is truth. Rumor and Truth. Applies to all electronics - verify that you have done is what you think you have done.