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Genesis G70 Reviews


Don't know what the older guy is thinking; Genesis is a luxury brand, just not as established as the others (being the new kid on the block).

As for The Throttle House comparison w/ the Mustang GT, excellent stuff (like the new guy; doesn't have the effervescent personality that Holland has, but has understated, but hilarious (British humor) quips.

TTH is definitely my fave YT reviewers as they really did into the driving dynamics/handling.

Like AoA (he's like the CR of YT reviewers), Savagegeese and The Straight Pipes as well, but TTH does the best job of combining informative content w/ entertainment.


That review is misleading. He mentions that he got the 2.0T Auto. No mention of RWD or AWD.
Then sprinkles images of the Sport, then mentions a lap timer which the 2.0T as far as I know does not have. Then also mentions stiffening up the suspension as well as Brembos!
Did this guy even drive the car he claims to have driven?

Yeah, the review is a bit misleading/confusing due to it being poorly written (think the writer incorporates various trims driven w/o making the distinction clear).
 
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Don't know what the older guy is thinking; Genesis is a luxury brand, just not as established as the others (being the new kid on the block).


Yeah, the review is a bit misleading/confusing due to it being poorly written (think the writer incorporates various trims driven w/o making the distinction clear).
Where did they get the 2018 G70? Twice they said it. You got points for accuracy where I went to school
 
^ Yeah, the 2018MY Benz they had for the comparison probably stuck in their heads. lol

(At the very least they should have edited in a correction.)


Will be interesting to see how much the lack of rear leg (more-so feet room) impacts sales as the tight rear really hurt ATS sales.

The outgoing 3er is roomier at the back than the G70 and the new 3er supposedly has even more room at the rear.

The A4 is roomy (being FWD helps) and both the replacements for the ATS (CT5) and the IS will be considerably larger.

The Q50 is already on the large end of the scale and when MB redoes the C Class, expect it to grow some as well.
 
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I honestly didn't think the video was going to hit that conclusion the way they were going. Graphics in the video were correct, they showed 2019. I think at that 52k price (good luck actually finding a MB for that with anywhere near the features) the better comparison is actually the 3.3 Dynamic in Canada for what you get dollar wise. The Prestige does show off the feature disparity though if you actually look at the spec lists. To get that full rundown on a MB it's 5+K more from what I saw.
 
^ Yeah, the 2018MY Benz they had for the comparison probably stuck in their heads. lol

(At the very least they should have edited in a correction.)


Will be interesting to see how much the lack of rear leg (more-so feet room) impacts sales as the tight rear really hurt ATS sales.

The outgoing 3er is roomier at the back than the G70 and the new 3er supposedly has even more room at the rear.

The A4 is roomy (being FWD helps) and both the replacements for the ATS (CT5) and the IS will be considerably larger.

The Q50 is already on the large end of the scale and when MB redoes the C Class, expect it to grow some as well.

Funny enough the biggest issue is more around toe space back there when you actually look at it. I think it was Alex on Autos that posted the space comparisons and the G70 is right there with the class. I also looked up the front and back space specs from each vendor and did the math, as this was a concern for me, and the G70 only has like a quarter inch less space. I think the tight clearance on toes and maybe a bit better seat scooping on the side of the Benz helps here.
 
Funny enough the biggest issue is more around toe space back there when you actually look at it. I think it was Alex on Autos that posted the space comparisons and the G70 is right there with the class. I also looked up the front and back space specs from each vendor and did the math, as this was a concern for me, and the G70 only has like a quarter inch less space. I think the tight clearance on toes and maybe a bit better seat scooping on the side of the Benz helps here.
It really is only of concern if you use it as a primary family vehicle.
I don't know why reviewers keep going on about this. It's called a COMPACT luxury car for a reason.
But alas, they have to find some negative in this otherwise homerun car!
 
I can agree that the Benz was better to sit in the rear, it's a fact. But I asked myself "Hey tallest person in the family by 2 inches, how often will you sit behind yourself?" And the answer was shockingly, never. I know that's not the case for everyone but it did help frame it for my own deliberations.
 
It really is only of concern if you use it as a primary family vehicle.
I don't know why reviewers keep going on about this. It's called a COMPACT luxury car for a reason.
But alas, they have to find some negative in this otherwise homerun car!

But American buyers place a high priority on space (hence, the ever increasing movement to CUVs and SUVs).

Plus, the sales data shows that such things impact lux sedan sales.

Sales of Cadillac's entry-level/compact sedan tanked when it went from among the roomiest in the segment (2G CTS) to the tightest; hence, the ATS replacement, CT5, growing back in size.

Lexus has more brand prestige/power than Infiniti, but the larger G/Q50 has regularly outsold the IS.

The M/Q70 saw a pretty decent sales bump when Infiniti brought over the LWB version.
 
But American buyers place a high priority on space (hence, the ever increasing movement to CUVs and SUVs).

Plus, the sales data shows that such things impact lux sedan sales.

Sales of Cadillac's entry-level/compact sedan tanked when it went from among the roomiest in the segment (2G CTS) to the tightest; hence, the ATS replacement, CT5, growing back in size.

Lexus has more brand prestige/power than Infiniti, but the larger G/Q50 has regularly outsold the IS.

The M/Q70 saw a pretty decent sales bump when Infiniti brought over the LWB version.

Unfortunately it didn't work out too well for the 2009-2014 Acura TL. It had the most interior room compared to the IS and G37 but lost out because of the ugly beak. They couldn't salvage it even after the 2012 refresh!
 
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I’ve had both the C300 and the G70. In both I’ve had to move the driver seat up when somebody sits behind me — it IS more of a problem in the G70 and I don’t blame people for pointing this out.

That said, no compact car *actually* has fully comfortable back seats - if you want that, mid-size sedan. I have people in my back seat for 2% of my drives and when I don’t, I get to throw in my bag and coat and whatever other shit I have. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
I said this somewhere else already, but the rear leg room isn't as bad as some people made it out to be. I'm 5'8", and if I put myself in a reasonable drive position then there is TONS of leg room. Toe room improves if you put the seat higher, too. Some people just like putting their seats super far back for some reason, which I found very often at the auto show I tried the car at.

The rear head room though is not so good. I was brushing the roof at 5'8" when fully seated back.
 
I said this somewhere else already, but the rear leg room isn't as bad as some people made it out to be. I'm 5'8", and if I put myself in a reasonable drive position then there is TONS of leg room. Toe room improves if you put the seat higher, too. Some people just like putting their seats super far back for some reason, which I found very often at the auto show I tried the car at.

The rear head room though is not so good. I was brushing the roof at 5'8" when fully seated back.

So I'm 5'8" too and I have been feeling a bit uncomfortable since I got the car. I felt super comfortable when my GXM brought be a vehicle for the test drive in which I didn't adjust anything cause we were the same height.
Anyway I tried lowering the seat to the lowest and pushed it back more but straighten the seating position and I felt super comfortable on my ride home yesterday and all of today. Even with the lowest seat position, the car is low enough that I don't feel like I'm peeking over the hood at all!
The mistake I was making was that I set it up the way I sat on my TL. But the TL had the wheel well protruding cause it was front wheel drive based so I was sitting higher.
But I'm sure rear seat foot room would suffer now with my seat set at the lowest it can go!
 
Another review:
2019 Genesis G70 2.0T Review: A Heroic Sedan, But a Tragic Figure
The new compact Genesis sedan is great to drive and a real value, but can it win in a troubled segment?
2019 Genesis G70 2.0T Review: A Heroic Sedan, But a Tragic Figure
Lol he got a 290 pound-feet 2.0T?
I want one!
Why can't these people get the specs right. It's not a guessing game. Just copy and paste!
And he claims 5.7 secs manufacturer figures!
Another reviewer posting images of a car he didn't drive!
 
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But American buyers place a high priority on space (hence, the ever increasing movement to CUVs and SUVs).

Plus, the sales data shows that such things impact lux sedan sales.

Sales of Cadillac's entry-level/compact sedan tanked when it went from among the roomiest in the segment (2G CTS) to the tightest; hence, the ATS replacement, CT5, growing back in size..

I think if it was about space, the CTS sales figures would be much higher. They are very similar cars with the CTS being larger and having more space. I leased an ATS and it was a good car but the only reason I knew anything about it was because I was driving past a Cadillac dealer and on a whim, decided to turn in and check things out. I knew a fair bit about the 3 series, Mercedes C class, Audi, Lexus, Acura etc.. but never once heard about the ATS or CTS.

The other thing going against those cars is that Cadillac is very well known for it's history of big boats driven by older people. *If* someone was to see a review or ended up going to see one, they just don't compare to the big 3 in terms of everything but driving dynamics. Low sales forced Cadillac to heavily discount the cars, which just makes things worse in terms of their perceived value...
 
Here's a picture of the leg room after I set the front seat comfortably for me at 5'8". I could stretch my legs all the way out in the front seat.

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Of course this only applies if you're average male height. If you have more than 2 tall people (one for each lateral side of the car), you'll start to have problems. But if you have to carry people like that often, then the compact segment may not be for you.
 
Unfortunately it didn't work out too well for the 2009-2014 Acura TL. It had the most interior room compared to the IS and G37 but lost out because of the ugly beak. They couldn't salvage it even after the 2012 refresh!

Acura's compact/entry-level lux entry at the time was the TSX and not the TL (which, at the time was 3 inches longer than an E60 5 Series).

Acura's sedan lineup at the time w/ the TSX, TL and RL was convoluted w/ each stepping on each other's toes.
 
I think if it was about space, the CTS sales figures would be much higher. They are very similar cars with the CTS being larger and having more space. I leased an ATS and it was a good car but the only reason I knew anything about it was because I was driving past a Cadillac dealer and on a whim, decided to turn in and check things out. I knew a fair bit about the 3 series, Mercedes C class, Audi, Lexus, Acura etc.. but never once heard about the ATS or CTS.

The other thing going against those cars is that Cadillac is very well known for it's history of big boats driven by older people. *If* someone was to see a review or ended up going to see one, they just don't compare to the big 3 in terms of everything but driving dynamics. Low sales forced Cadillac to heavily discount the cars, which just makes things worse in terms of their perceived value...

That would be w/ the assumption that all or most 2G CTS owner wanted or were able to move up a price-segment into the 3G CTS.

Sure, some were able to (as their income and/or needs increased), but many simply wanted to purchase a replacement for their 2G (or even 1G) CTS and that meant either (1) paying a lot more for the 3G CTS or (2) sticking to the same price-point (w/ the ATS), but getting a sedan w/ significantly less room than they had before.

And even if they were willing to move up a price-point, that didn't necessarily mean that they stuck w/ Cadillac.

As the 3G CTS had the same issue relative to its competition - the E Class, 5 Series, A6, Genesis/G80, etc.

The Alpha platform had major packaging issues - issues which not only limited passenger and trunk space in sedans/cars, but also made it unsuitable for CUV-duty (which is why we haven't seen any Alpha-based crossovers).

The Alpha also negatively impacted Camaro sales when GM's pony car switched over to that platform (the current backseats are basically unusable aside from being used to carry some stuff.

Camaro sales went from 91.3k in 2012 down to 67.9k in 2017 (the 6G Camaro went into production late 2016, so 2017 should have been a big sales year).

Meanwhile, the Challenger (despite its age) went from 46.8k in sales in 2012 up to 64.5k in 2017 (66.4k in 2016), so it wasn't simply buyers abandoning the segment for CUVs and SUVs.

Despite the Camaro being on a sophisticated platform and the Challenger being on an ancient platform, the Dodge has increased sales by around 20k, whereas the Camaro has lost over 20k in sales.

Don't think it's a coincidence that the Challenger still has a usable rear seat.

It's the same formula which has made the Genesis/G80 the 3rd best selling vehicle within its segment (for much of its existence); same for the Infiniti G/Q50.

Another common complaint about the ATS is that parents couldn't fit a large, rear facing child-seat at the back.

Don't think we'll see the G70 be the 3rd best seller in the segment (once the dealership issue has all been addressed) as the Genesis/G80 has been and the G70 is the all-around better vehicle within its segment when it comes to driving dynamics/handling and interior appointment.
 
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