Suspension Issue - A new take

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Gripper, interesting (if over my head) info. I thank you for that contribution to the discussion.
Now, since you invited feedback...
If you can edit the post you might want to change "Bendix Lavoritories" to "Bendix Laboritories" before someone calls BS.

 

[GripperDon]

Gripper, interesting (if over my head) info. I thank you for that contribution to the discussion.
Now, since you invited feedback...
If you can edit the post you might want to change "Bendix Lavoritories" to "Bendix Laboritories" before someone calls BS.

Actually that was a "in Joke" used so much by us old itmers that it simply crept in by mistake thanks. Don

 

[GripperDon]

Just thought I would copy what is in the C & D October issue regarding the Genesis. It is in the section Re. Long Term test.

Car & Driver:"So far, there are two camps: the Genesis detractors who decry the ride quality and feel it's cheap and those who don't like the ride quality but are amazed by how upscale the Genesis feels."

Like I said before, enough said. Which puts me in the last camp and Hyundai in the place between the rock and a hard spot. Somewhat like Ronnie said "Mr. Hyundai FIX THAT RIDE." and make us whole!!!!!!

 

[Seattle Genesis]

Just got back from a long road trip and I gotta tell ya.. I think my internal organs are serverly bruised. My genesis did not take to the road as I thought it would. This car was all over the road. With every bump and ridge that car was not behaving like a premium luxury brand I thought I bought. Im too sad right now cause I really like this car, but I may be looking to trade very soon.
Seattle Genesis

 

[Genesis380]

Just got back from a long road trip and I gotta tell ya.. I think my internal organs are serverly bruised. My genesis did not take to the road as I thought it would. This car was all over the road. With every bump and ridge that car was not behaving like a premium luxury brand I thought I bought. Im too sad right now cause I really like this car, but I may be looking to trade very soon.
Seattle Genesis

I feel for you. Every day I'm getting just that little bit closer to tossing it in, taking the financial hit and getting a Maxima, Altima or Accord. The Genesis is so great when it is standing still. I just HATE driving it. This weekend it seemed in a particularly bad mood and shook me around no end. I thought my teenage daughter was moody, but this Genesis takes the cake. At least my daughter will grow out of it. I don't think the Genesis will.
Unfortunately, I no longer recommend the Genesis to anyone who asks, and a lot who see it ask me about it. I've never had a car that has attracted so much attention and had so many people ask me about it.
Hyundai blew it.

 

[Pwrplay]

It's a pity so many of you are experiencing what appears to be a very bad suspension.

I for one find the suspension to be very solid and stable over bumps and very smooth and luxurious on the smooth roads, just what I'd expect from a sport sedan.

A little background on my buying experience:

I drove many different cars before buying the Genesis , and the ride was one of the things that actually helped me lean towards this car instead of a fully loaded Accord (too firm) a fully loaded Camry (too soft) and fully loaded Fusion Sport edition (hated the interior) as well as an A4 (nice but too small, and a Maxima, which I really liked the handling and the CVT tranny but hated the fact it ran on Premium fuel (all cars where within 4 grand of each other, so the decision was based on a combination of all factors and not just price, even thought that did play a part in selecting the Genesis).


So where I am going with this is, could this be strictly an issue with the way the Genesis Sedan suspension is tuned once it comes off the boat by HMA's tech's , and NOT a design flaw or component mismatch or incorrect application?

I am from Canada, and I really don't hear of any issues with the Canadian version of the Genesis suspension, and believe me with the way the winters can ruin roads around here, a good suspension is imperative. So maybe they are leaving it alone from the factory here in Canada, and that maybe all thats needed.

Now one thing I do notice is the Dunlops aren't the quietest rubber I have ever had, and I do plan to replace them once hey start wearing down a bit more, but I find them very good at handling and breaking.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents (1.90 cents US) on the Canadian Genesis Suspension....Thanks for reading

 

[GripperDon]

I don't have Dunlops so can't put any blame there. Funny how all the C & D
testes added up to 100% of "decry or don't like the ride." I bet those guys have driven more different cars than all of us put together. Funny that therir was for third group that liked it or at least said it was OK. Since they are keeping that car for a full 100,000 miles of testing Hyundai has not hear the last of it yet.

Where are those, yet to be found new part numbers?

 

[Pahaska]

I had to make a very fast trip of about 15 miles the other evening with 2 passengers to make a hard-to--get reservation time at a restaurant. Most of the trip was at 75 over not the best roads. We returned home at a more liesurely pace.

What surprised me was that the passengers had two unsolicited comments. First was on the quietness of the car. Second was that the ride was great. Especially the back seat passenger commented on the good ride; she was just about my first back seat passenger since owning the car.

I'll stick with the opinion that my car is firm and wel controlled, but rides very nicely for a sedan that handles like this one. On my favorite test corner, my Azera would comfortably do 60, maybe 62. I have taken it in the Genesis comfortably at just under 70 with not a trace of tire squeal .

 

[LLT]

I'm relatively convinced that the suspension issues are limited to the V6 models. The V8's that I drove were much smoother and quieter than the V6's.

 

[GripperDon]

Doesn't help me I am stuck with a very expensive V6 rock.

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[JOwest]

I am from Canada, and I really don't hear of any issues with the Canadian version of the Genesis suspension, and believe me with the way the winters can ruin roads around here, a good suspension is imperative. So maybe they are leaving it alone from the factory here in Canada, and that maybe all thats needed.

Some Canadian owners have the same issues on suspension as the American folks. If you read through the various threads on suspension you will see a number of postings by Canadian owners. I for one wish the Genesis can offer a better ride. It bounce too much over rough roads but not enough for me to say "Unacceptable"

 

[GripperDon]

It's a pity so many of you are experiencing what appears to be a very bad suspension.

So where I am going with this is, could this be strictly an issue with the way the Genesis Sedan suspension is tuned once it comes off the boat by HMA's tech's , and NOT a design flaw or component mismatch or incorrect application?

that's just my 2 cents (1.90 cents US) on the Canadian Genesis Suspension....Thanks for reading

If that is the case, it would seem that they could retune it for those of us that leave it in the garage because it is such a pain to drive.!!!!!!!!!!!

I am going out looking for a new car starting today!!!!!!!!!! I can't stand it anymore. I am just off the phone with the ARK suspension guys that make the coil-over system for the Genesis. It lowers the car about 1.5 inches and you have to buy the complete system front and rear,, You do get adjustable shocks but the springs are not any softer. He commented on the large coil diameter and cross section of the coil being very big on the Genesis.

You have to buy the 4 shocks and 4 springs and then install, 4 wheel realignment etc. and then no kind of assurance that the new ride will be better because it is a lowered system so shorter coils for lowering which means higher spring rates however you can adjust the shocks in 16 steps from firm to soft. It also means I have to make a 800 mile round trip to buy and have installed. It is probably easier to sell the d*** thing.

 

[Genesis380]

I'm relatively convinced that the suspension issues are limited to the V6 models. The V8's that I drove were much smoother and quieter than the V6's.

That is what I recently found when I drove a V8 and what the dealer told me - an explaination which I didn't really buy. The V8 is heavier, so if the suspension is the same, then the suspension rates/shock absorber rates are just too stiff for the V6.

Man, I've gotta offload this thing. It is really bugging me now. I'm frustrated to death. Not worth the heartache any more. I have a Nissan dealer shopping it around this afternoon. I hope I can get a decent trade on it and I'll go back to Nissan.

 

[LLT]

They don't "tune" anything post-production - that's done in the manufacturing of the components. If anything, they simply bolt on a new strut assembly (which includes two upper control arms/bushings, spring and strut) - I think the varied ride quality is: 1) Perception/comfort level 2) Varied road quality in different areas 3) An issue limited to the V6's. I've not noted many V8 owners complaining of an issue and I didn't find one when I drove them.

I'm still trying to convince the dear wife to lose her objection to trading it. I'm not sure if she or Hyundai will cave first.

 

[doug725]

That is what I recently found when I drove a V8 and what the dealer told me - an explaination which I didn't really buy. The V8 is heavier, so if the suspension is the same, then the suspension rates/shock absorber rates are just too stiff for the V6.

Man, I've gotta offload this thing. It is really bugging me now. I'm frustrated to death. Not worth the heartache any more. I have a Nissan dealer shopping it around this afternoon. I hope I can get a decent trade on it and I'll go back to Nissan.

I feel for you guys - hope you find a solution. You are right - it's not worth the heartache - if you can in any way afford the finanical hit you'll be much happier even if you to settle for a simple car like I did.

 

[Pwrplay]

They don't "tune" anything post-production - that's done in the manufacturing of the components. If anything, they simply bolt on a new strut assembly (which includes two upper control arms/bushings, spring and strut) - I think the varied ride quality is: 1) Perception/comfort level 2) Varied road quality in different areas 3) An issue limited to the V6's. I've not noted many V8 owners complaining of an issue and I didn't find one when I drove them.

I'm still trying to convince the dear wife to lose her objection to trading it. I'm not sure if she or Hyundai will cave first.

I thought I read in an earlier thread, that has since been closed, that had accompanying video interviewing the main guy from HMA that personally oversees the re-tuning of the US Genesis once is comes off the ship. Anyone else have a recollection of that thread?

I'll poek a round and see if I can find it.

 

[Duaine]

They don't "tune" anything post-production - that's done in the manufacturing of the components. If anything, they simply bolt on a new strut assembly (which includes two upper control arms/bushings, spring and strut) - I think the varied ride quality is: 1) Perception/comfort level 2) Varied road quality in different areas 3) An issue limited to the V6's. I've not noted many V8 owners complaining of an issue and I didn't find one when I drove them.

I'm still trying to convince the dear wife to lose her objection to trading it. I'm not sure if she or Hyundai will cave first.

I have the V-8 and it has a very rough ride especially for the rear passengers. I had earlier said that it's almost as rough as what my old 1971 GTO was when I put a lift kit under the rear of the car.

Also I had mentioned that once I had friends and family ride in my Genesis they don't want me to drive anywhere anymore! They would rather haul me and the wife around in their vehicles even if it is my turn to drive.

It's pretty embarrassing but I guess the only good thing is I'm not putting as many miles on it and I am saving gas.

 

[GripperDon]

My perception matches evidently the drivers at Car and Driver and many many more, So if anyone wants a deal on one with Chromed 17inch wheels, and all those thongs in my signature let me know. I personally clay bared it, treated the leather, and a wonderful hand hard wax, been in an air conditioned garage for all 920 miles of it's life.

 

[Bear]

I don't want to offend anyone, but there is a reasonable explanation why more V-6 owners complain. There are more of you. I don't have deep pockets, so I have to live with my V-8 purchase for a long time. If this manufacturing/engineering/quantity control problem is not corrected the only thing I can do is tell people the story that Hyundai stands behind their autos is fictitious. My V-8 was manufactured in August 2008, beside the terrible ride I have list of other intermittent problems. Please don’t anyone tell me to call Hyundai.

 

[GripperDon]

Thanks for that "Bear"