List of Stand-Alone Genesis Dealerships

[SeekingGen]

Realistically
Genesis is probably only get the volume by selling small SUVs/crossovers( RX, NX) and midsize sedans.(ES)..ie...the overwhelming majority of sales volumes at Lexus dealerships in the last decade
I dont think the Genesis brand is really a serious consideration for the German cars buyers....I dont think Lexus is either

Unfortunately..the dealership experience is at Lexus dealership is on a whole other level than Genesis/Hyundai dealers

Warren

I have a Lexus and have purchased 4 over the years. For various reasons will not purchase another one.
Definitely think it will take time for Genesis to have enough cars/SUVs to justify standalones. I definitely want them to succeed. Thus far, really like the products they have developed.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Realistically
Genesis is probably only get the volume by selling small SUVs/crossovers( RX, NX) and midsize sedans.(ES)..ie...the overwhelming majority of sales volumes at Lexus dealerships in the last decade
I dont think the Genesis brand is really a serious consideration for the German cars buyers....I dont think Lexus is either

I think they will steal a very small percentage away from the German brands but agree with your point, the overwhelming majority of consumers who buy Audi, BMW and MB will not be considering Genesis for a variety of reasons. Many years into the future that could change.

 

[turnne]

I have a Lexus and have purchased 4 over the years. For various reasons will not purchase another one.
Definitely think it will take time for Genesis to have enough cars/SUVs to justify standalones. I definitely want them to succeed. Thus far, really like the products they have developed.

Interesting
About the only downfall I have heard about the Lexus brand is boring to drive and uncharacteristic, plagiarized styling.....though I think the latter has changed in recent years to the good or bad depending on your taste
I have never owned one though my mother has a Lexus LX and IMO the dealership experience is top notch

Warren

 

[SeekingGen]

Interesting
About the only downfall I have heard about the Lexus brand is boring to drive and uncharacteristic, plagiarized styling.....though I think the latter has changed in recent years to the good or bad depending on your taste
I have never owned one though my mother has a Lexus LX and IMO the dealership experience is top notch

Warren

I had a long history of issues. An ES that died about every 3 months (new). They claimed 4 defective batteries in a row. Eventually determined other issues were causing the battery. (But that took some work on my part.)
An IS with defective air bags. Local dealer claimed to have replaced within warranty. 6 months after warranty air bag warning light. And, learned local had not replaced and now said not under warranty. (Long story on that one.) Took a while to get local to understand issue, and had to talk to corporate, but eventually sorted. Several with oil leak related issues. Another long story.
Local dealer also tried to sell a used car as having no accident history to a friend who discovered prior wreck in car history.
Many other issues caused complete lack of trust in local dealer (from claiming an issue needed to be fixed to claiming had fixed something that had not ).

 

[YEH]

Realistically
Genesis is probably only get the volume by selling small SUVs/crossovers( RX, NX) and midsize sedans.(ES)..ie...the overwhelming majority of sales volumes at Lexus dealerships in the last decade
I dont think the Genesis brand is really a serious consideration for the German cars buyers....I dont think Lexus is either

Unfortunately..the dealership experience is at Lexus dealership is on a whole other level than Genesis/Hyundai dealers

Warren

Despite a dealer network still in the state of flux, the G70 and G80 did alright against the competition not MB or BMW.


G70 - 819
IS - 1,115
A4 - 1,436
Q50 - 2,230

Once all the dealerships are up and running, can see the G70 take the 4th spot (going to difficult to beat the Q50 based on the lease deals Infiniti has been offering), or at the very least, battle the A4 for that spot.


G80 - 533
GS - 263
Q70 - 269
A6 - 1,506

W/ the next gen G80, can see it battling, if not overtaking the A6 for the 3rd spot (where it has been for much of the past decade).

The upcoming GV80 CUV is not small, it's larger than the X5, and should be priced somewhere around where the Aviator is priced (meaning, higher than the RX).

Unlike for the NX, the GV60 will be seen as an X3 and GLC competitor (even if it undercuts them in price); the NX, however, is often compared w/ the X1 and GLA.

So, the best selling models for Genesis should be its compact and midsize sedans and CUVs - that's pretty much the norm.

As for Lexus, while generally they are pretty good as a dealer network, not every dealership is a good one.

There have been complaints about service at certain Lexus dealerships or over a particular issue.

Granted, Genesis has a ways to go to get to that level, but that's what the whole endeavor of getting separate licensing/stores is for.

 

[turnne]

Despite a dealer network still in the state of flux, the G70 and G80 did alright against the competition not MB or BMW.


G70 - 819
IS - 1,115
A4 - 1,436
Q50 - 2,230

Once all the dealerships are up and running, can see the G70 take the 4th spot (going to difficult to beat the Q50 based on the lease deals Infiniti has been offering), or at the very least, battle the A4 for that spot.


G80 - 533
GS - 263
Q70 - 269
A6 - 1,506

W/ the next gen G80, can see it battling, if not overtaking the A6 for the 3rd spot (where it has been for much of the past decade).

The upcoming GV80 CUV is not small, it's larger than the X5, and should be priced somewhere around where the Aviator is priced (meaning, higher than the RX).

Unlike for the NX, the GV60 will be seen as an X3 and GLC competitor (even if it undercuts them in price); the NX, however, is often compared w/ the X1 and GLA.

So, the best selling models for Genesis should be its compact and midsize sedans and CUVs - that's pretty much the norm.

As for Lexus, while generally they are pretty good as a dealer network, not every dealership is a good one.

There have been complaints about service at certain Lexus dealerships or over a particular issue.

Granted, Genesis has a ways to go to get to that level, but that's what the whole endeavor of getting separate licensing/stores is for.

Interesting ...that you always pull out cars that cost vastly more than Genesis as comparables
That's not a litmus test...since you have no idea about what the buyer could afford and as such would they have made a different decision

You probably saw these numbers for February...and they are in the same price range as the sedans you mentioned

BMW 3/4 series 5364 units

Mercedes C class 4812 units

Lexus ES 3324 units

Additionally Audi has the A5 at 1603 units that probably took some sales away from the Audi models you listed

Lexus is not really selling sedans...comparatively. Its the crossovers that have got to be making profit for the dealers
The NX sold 4160 units and the RX sold 7,054 units in February
Looking at the Kia K900 selling 36 cars..makes me wonder it if is going to be yet again a highly discounted car that loses half its value in less than 2 years

It almost seems like ..on the low/mid range end Hondas/Toyota rule..and on the higher end the Germans do
The numbers just fall off a cliff after the first 2-3 sales leaders

My experience at several Lexus dealers ship ( in several states) has been top notch
IMO...they offer a standard that is right there with the other luxury brands

Sure..issues pop up at any dealership
I am talking about the norm not the exception

I can say that no Hyundai/Genesis dealership that I have patronized comes to the same standard at Lexus/BMW/Mercedes dealerships I have patronized

Warren

 

[TurtleBoy]

Interesting ...that you always pull out cars that cost vastly more than Genesis as comparables
That's not a litmus test...since you have no idea about what the buyer could afford and as such would they have made a different decision

You probably saw these numbers for February...and they are in the same price range as the sedans you mentioned

BMW 3/4 series 5364 units
Mercedes C class 4812 units
Lexus ES 3324 units

Not sure I follow your comment about the cars costing vastly more, most (I would venture to say all) comparably equipped luxury cars cost quite a bit more.

I think he did mention the models you listed by omission. If you notice he is talking about Genesis trying to take 4th and 3rd place, the models you listed would be in the top 3, 2.

 

[turnne]

Not sure I follow your comment about the cars costing vastly more, most (I would venture to say all) comparably equipped luxury cars cost quite a bit more.

I think he did mention the models you listed by omission. If you notice he is talking about Genesis trying to take 4th and 3rd place, the models you listed would be in the top 3, 2.

My point is that its very hard to compare items that cost significantly different amounts...since you don't know if the person would have made another choice if they could have afforded to
To a certain extent the cheaper item will always garner some sales because it is cheaper

I didn't see the Audi A5 listed and I would say that it would be taking sales from both the A4 and A6 in his numbers comparison
As far as comparably equipped..the cars that cost quite a bit more than Genesis have options and customization not available on Genesis for any price
So,I guess I don't understand what you mean by the term "comparably equipped"

The other point here is that the other the other sedans he listed are at dealerships where they are selling thousands of crossovers and SUV's per month
In fact ..I would say that these are what is "keeping the lights on" at Lexus dealerships for example

Since Genesis doesn't have these platforms( today)..I don't see how an independent businessman can invest in overhead for products that don't sell well and are highly subsidized/discounted as well

Warren

 

[TurtleBoy]

My point is that its very hard to compare items that cost significantly different amounts...since you don't know if the person would have made another choice if they could have afforded to
To a certain extent the cheaper item will always garner some sales because it is cheaper

As far as comparably equipped..the cars that cost quite a bit more than Genesis have options and customization not available on Genesis for any price
So,I guess I don't understand what you mean by the term "comparably equipped"

I guess we will just have to drop the cost part as I still don't see how that is relevant to the discussion.

Now you are grasping and going into the land of silliness to try and back up a posiiton. I'm using comparably equipped as it is used by anyone on this forum and in the car, or any other industry. You can fairly easily build cars from any manufacture and come up with a spec that is comparable.

I will end here and let you have the last word since it seems this discussion will not be fruitful and has gone way off topic.

 

[turnne]

I guess we will just have to drop the cost part as I still don't see how that is relevant to the discussion.

Now you are grasping and going into the land of silliness to try and back up a posiiton. I'm using comparably equipped as it is used by anyone on this forum and in the car, or any other industry. You can fairly easily build cars from any manufacture and come up with a spec that is comparable.

I will end here and let you have the last word since it seems this discussion will not be fruitful and has gone way off topic.

Thanks for your "interesting" opinion
You didn't understand my statement and I didn't understand yours
Clearly..we define "comparable" differently...simple as that

Warren

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[Chad86tsi]

I do like to see comparable cars listed together in comparisons price aside, just like I prefer to see organic and "regular " fruit in grocery stores. They serve the same consumers and perform the same function, but there are differences, and price differences can be large.

I was looking at getting a new Cadillac CTS-V, BMW M5, or a Tesla P90D, I can afford either with retaliative ease ($100K budget). After much consternation and being honest with myself about what I need the car to do (drive a lot of miles per year), and the other goals I have in life (comfortable retirement), I decided on getting something used.

Now looking at the used segment I can afford most any luxo car, I knocked the budget down to 60K. I had to measure reliability and cost to repair past warranty (nixed the BMW), probability I'd need to be without the car for lengthy periods for repairs if repair was needed (which nixed the Tesla), and overall cost to drive like fuel and depreciation. Depreciation nixed the CTS-V and led me to cars like the genesis, infinity, and Lexus. Genesis won on driving dynamics and bang for the buck.

Long story short, customers in this class can and will cross over.

With my 60K budget, I also looked at new Genesis, the G70 and the G80. I didn't find the color combos I wanted in either due to low inventory. After I researched the Genesis reliability I learned I could do well on a used one, and new ones depreciate fast like all luxu cars do. I drive too many miles per year for a lease. I got a '15 5.0 Ultimate that checks all my boxes for $24,500 (1/4 my initial budget), that other $$ will do other good things for my family. There are bargain shoppers in that segment of qualified buyers.

On this subject dealers being added, I was looking on the Genesis USA website in Dec, Jan and Feb, it only showed 2 in my area. Now it shows 4. 2 existing Hyundai's were just added : Hillsboro and Beaverton.

 

[TurtleBoy]

On this subject dealers being added, I was looking on the Genesis USA website in Dec, Jan and Feb, it only showed 2 in my area. Now it shows 4. 2 existing Hyundai's were just added : Hillsboro and Beaverton.

I'm assuming you are in Oregon, those are not Genesis dealers. Currently Bend is the only Genesis dealer in Oregon. My guess is those are showing because they have pre-2019 models.

 

[turnne]

I do like to see comparable cars listed together in comparisons price aside, just like I prefer to see organic and "regular " fruit in grocery stores. They serve the same consumers and perform the same function, but there are differences, and price differences can be large.

I was looking at getting a new Cadillac CTS-V, BMW M5, or a Tesla P90D, I can afford either with retaliative ease ($100K budget). After much consternation and being honest with myself about what I need the car to do (drive a lot of miles per year), and the other goals I have in life (comfortable retirement), I decided on getting something used.

Now looking at the used segment I can afford most any luxo car, I knocked the budget down to 60K. I had to measure reliability and cost to repair past warranty (nixed the BMW), probability I'd need to be without the car for lengthy periods for repairs if repair was needed (which nixed the Tesla), and overall cost to drive like fuel and depreciation. Depreciation nixed the CTS-V and led me to cars like the genesis, infinity, and Lexus. Genesis won on driving dynamics and bang for the buck.

Long story short, customers in this class can and will cross over.

With my 60K budget, I also looked at new Genesis, the G70 and the G80. I didn't find the color combos I wanted in either due to low inventory. After I researched the Genesis reliability I learned I could do well on a used one, and new ones depreciate fast like all luxu cars do. I drive too many miles per year for a lease. I got a '15 5.0 Ultimate that checks all my boxes for $24,500 (1/4 my initial budget), that other $$ will do other good things for my family. There are bargain shoppers in that segment of qualified buyers.

On this subject dealers being added, I was looking on the Genesis USA website in Dec, Jan and Feb, it only showed 2 in my area. Now it shows 4. 2 existing Hyundai's were just added : Hillsboro and Beaverton.

That's quite a HUGE price range as well as performance stats of cars you were looking at
I guess I see that M5..CTS-V etc buyer looking for 0-60( or 100) and razor sharp handling characteristics
I get that people sometimes "prefer" one thing and buy another for many reasons...practicality....ultimate affordability etc
There are a lot of minivans sold..LOL

I also find it interesting that the 100K buyer just seems to want what they want...typically......kind of like that buyer of organic fruit that only cross shops organic
I don't think the S class buyer thinks their car is going to be more reliable than a Lexus LS460..in the least
But the S class has outsold the Lexus for years and at a much higher cost
Or using your example... I don't anyone thinks the maintenance on that M series BMW is going to be cheap...but people buy them anyway
In the case of the BMW M cars they typically have a waiting list at intro time

To your point on depreciation...the Genesis( and Hyundai) cars seem to depreciate faster. But I think you need to keep in mind that there were some heavy discounts to sell them in the first place
According to my local Genesis dealer sales person..They has pulled the heavy incentives off the G90 for a regular buy. They still have the incentives there for leases. She said they thought they could control the resale better that way
Time will tell. The first slew of G90 leases ought to be coming back in late summer

Warren

 

[Chad86tsi]

I'm assuming you are in Oregon, those are not Genesis dealers. Currently Bend is the only Genesis dealer in Oregon. My guess is those are showing because they have pre-2019 models.

Yes, in Oregon (forest Grove). They were discovered from the Genesis "find inventory" link, they didn't show with that same link a few weeks ago. I knew the dealers were there because they are where I plan to get warranty work should the need arise.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Yes, in Oregon (forest Grove). They were discovered from the Genesis "find inventory" link, they didn't show with that same link a few weeks ago. I knew the dealers were there because they are where I plan to get warranty work should the need arise.

Besides there being some issues in both Genesis' Dealer Locator and Find Inventory functions, the results of the Inventory Search will depend on what years you choose. If you choose 2019 only then the dealers that will be shown will only be the newly franchised Genesis dealers. If you choose 2017-2019, then both Hyundai dealers that have pre-2019 models and Genesis dealers will be returned.

Here is a link to listings of all current Genesis dealers with inventory as well as those approved but not yet showing inventory,

Dealers with 2019s

 

[Chad86tsi]

That's quite a HUGE price range as well as performance stats of cars you were looking at
I guess I see that M5..CTS-V etc buyer looking for 0-60( or 100) and razor sharp handling characteristics
I get that people sometimes "prefer" one thing and buy another for many reasons...practicality....ultimate affordability etc
There are a lot of minivans sold..LOL

I also find it interesting that the 100K buyer just seems to want what they want...typically......kind of like that buyer of organic fruit that only cross shops organic
I don't think the S class buyer thinks their car is going to be more reliable than a Lexus LS460..in the least
But the S class has outsold the Lexus for years and at a much higher cost
Or using your example... I don't anyone thinks the maintenance on that M series BMW is going to be cheap...but people buy them anyway
In the case of the BMW M cars they typically have a waiting list at intro time

To your point on depreciation...the Genesis( and Hyundai) cars seem to depreciate faster. But I think you need to keep in mind that there were some heavy discounts to sell them in the first place
According to my local Genesis dealer sales person..They has pulled the heavy incentives off the G90 for a regular buy. They still have the incentives there for leases. She said they thought they could control the resale better that way
Time will tell. The first slew of G90 leases ought to be coming back in late summer

Warren

I was set on that $100K segment for a while. I have been planning this purchase for a few years as we had other things going on including building a new house that we plan to retire in, the car had to be last. Now that the dust is settled from the house and we added some expensive upgrades after purchase, my goals shifted. I didn't shift to the $25K price until I discovered the used 5.0's last month, that price point was never even on my radar. It's just too good of a deal to buy anything else. I discovered the Genesis in a car review comparing it to other cars in the class that cost much, much more, but had the same features. Those comparisons that ignored price are what ultimately led me to the brand.

When this car is "done" in about 7 years, I'll probably buy a new car and cruise it into the ground. We tend to "keep" our cars, and I work on cars as a hobby so I can take care of them. Genesis will be on the list so long as it keeps doing what it's doing.

 

[Chad86tsi]

Besides there being some issues in both Genesis' Dealer Locator and Find Inventory functions, the results of the Inventory Search will depend on what years you choose. If you choose 2019 only then the dealers that will be shown will only be the newly franchised Genesis dealers. If you choose 2017-2019, then both Hyundai dealers that have pre-2019 models and Genesis dealers will be returned.

Here is a link to listings of all current Genesis dealers with inventory as well as those approved but not yet showing inventory,

Dealers with 2019s

The link results on the genesis website changed, not what search criteria I put in to it by me. I never filtered for year, but it now shows the older inventory that was excluded for some reason just a few weeks ago. This is the link, it's called "find a dealer", not find inventory. Find inventory obviously has more filtering to it by it's nature.

Genesis dealer locations. Find Genesis dealers near you | Genesis USA

 

[TurtleBoy]

The link results on the genesis website changed, not what search criteria I put in to it by me. I never filtered for year, but it now shows the older inventory that was excluded for some reason just a few weeks ago. This is the link, it's called "find a dealer", not find inventory. Find inventory obviously has more filtering to it by it's nature.

Genesis dealer locations. Find Genesis dealers near you | Genesis USA

I know what it shows and that is why I mentioned issues with the site.. I'm trying to give you additional information and let you know they are not Genesis dealers as defined by new Genesis brand and dealer rollout. Those are Hyundai dealers that can sell and service pre-2019 Genesis models. They can not sell or service (under warranty or provided maintenance) any 2019 model or beyond. In order to do that, they will have to have a new franchise agreement and get a license from the state,

 

[YEH]

Interesting ...that you always pull out cars that cost vastly more than Genesis as comparables

Once again, you are too overly focused on price.

The LS400 (at $35k) was priced more like an E Class, but it nonetheless, was seen as and compared to the other flagship sedans.

New entrants into the market (or older ones which have lost their way and luster) have to be more aggressive in their pricing.

Even after 3 decades, the LS is still a value play compared to something like the S Class (to be fair, even the 7er can't quite go head to head w/ the S Class on pricing).

All the industry publications lists and compares the G90 to the other flagships, the G80 to the other RWD midsize offerings and the G70 to the compact class.

The G70 starts at $34.9k for the 2.0T

320 - $34.9k (OK, this is for the poverty-spec 3er)
Q50 - $35.5k
XE - $37k
A4 - $37.4k
IS - $37.8k
Giulia - $38.3k
330 - $40.2k
C Class - $41.4k

Aside from the C Class (and if don't count the 320), the G70 starting price is within the ballpark of the others.

And the starting price of the 3.3T G70 ($43.7) is actually higher than the starting price of the IS 350 at $42k.

And things aren't quite so simple as looking simply at MSRP.

There were prospective buyers who look were even looking at an AMG or M and wound up w/ a loaded Stinger GT2.

One person could have gotten an AMG (a leftover model) at a lower lease rate than the Stinger, but went w/ the Stinger b/c liked the Stinger better.

A couple of others preferred the Stinger as well, but ultimately ended up w/ the Q50 RS.

The lease deal offered by Infiniti was too good to pass up (this is where Infiniti and MB and BMW really excel at) where the RS was about $160/month cheaper than the Stinger GT2.

Now, certainly am not saying that the G70 (much less the Stinger) will be cross-shopped by the majority of MB or BMW buyers (esp. the one who are looking for the badge, first and foremost, and are looking to lease), but will get its share - esp. those who have been burned by the Germans reliability-wise, those looking for 6 cylinder power w/o having to pay the premium the Germans are asking for and those simply looking to drive something different/distinctive and not something that already fills parking lots.

That being said, it's the Japanese that have the most to worry.

Difficult to say w/ only 2 months of sales data for the year (thus far), but sales for the Q50 are well below the Jan/Feb figures not only for 2018, but since it was launched, and the Q50 is on pace for its worst sales year.

There's a reason why 3 mods on a Lexus forum now own a G90 and 2 Stingers - w/ several others having seriously contemplated a G90 or Stinger.

That's not a litmus test...since you have no idea about what the buyer could afford and as such would they have made a different decision

And neither do you.

BMW 3/4 series 5364 units

Mercedes C class 4812 units

Genesis doesn't have a 4 Series competitor (unless one counts the Stinger), so can't include that; but didn't include BMW or MB b/c they are the clear #1 and #2, no one else (not even Audi) can compete w/ them when it comes to sedan sales.

Audi, Cadillac, Jaguar, Alfa, Lexus and Infiniti have been at this a lot longer than Genesis and they haven't been able to come close to MB or BMW and yet, somehow, you expect Genesis to be able to do so at its early stage? lol

Lexus ES 3324 units

The ES is not a compact lux sedan, much less a RWD one.

If you're going to include the ES, why not also throw in the La Crosse or MKZ?

Additionally Audi has the A5 at 1603 units that probably took some sales away from the Audi models you listed

And the Stinger probably didn't take away some G70 sales?

And there isn't yet a 2-door coupe for the Koreans.

Lexus is not really selling sedans...comparatively. Its the crossovers that have got to be making profit for the dealers.

And one of the big reasons for that is due to the Koreans having entered the market.

Back in the day, Lexus used to sell a pretty good # of the GS and IS.

The NX sold 4160 units and the RX sold 7,054 units in February

So?

Genesis won't really be playing in those (discounted) segments.

For someone who harp so much on pricing, really says something when you totally overlook the pricing of the NX and RX (which are basically priced one class segment down).

Looking at the Kia K900 selling 36 cars..makes me wonder it if is going to be yet again a highly discounted car that loses half its value in less than 2 years

Not any different from the Phaeton - which was, gasp! A German!

 

[YEH]

To your point on depreciation...the Genesis( and Hyundai) cars seem to depreciate faster. But I think you need to keep in mind that there were some heavy discounts to sell them in the first place

The Germans tend to dominate the lists of the biggest depreciating autos.

And discounts do play a big factor as it's calculated from MSRP and not ATP.