Hyundai Genesis vs Cadillac CTS

[Par Avion]

Cadillac CTS4 - My second choice, Very nice. Best Nav w/hard drive, Mid Size interior, Great Car!

Bob

What makes the Genesis better than the CTS in your opionion?

 

[jwaters943]

Re: What vehicle(s) did you consider before deciding on the Genesis?

What makes the Genesis better than the CTS in your opionion?

I know you didn't ask me, but I'll chime in w/ my $0.02 since I have significant seat time behind the wheel of a new CTS.

-Rear visibility is horrible (even compared to the less-than-stellar rearward visibility in the Genesis)

-Seats are too narrow

-Ingress/Egress to the rear seat is quite poor

-Poorer fuel economy compared to the Genesis

-Pricier when similarly equipped (compared to the Genesis V6)

-Heavier w/ less useable interior room and no greater accelerative peformance (according to MotorTrend)


With that said, if you're looking for a midsize luxury sedan the CTS is a very solid choice. It rides well, is quiet, and has a very nice interior.

 

[Par Avion]

Re: What vehicle(s) did you consider before deciding on the Genesis?

I know you didn't ask me, but I'll chime in w/ my $0.02 since I have significant seat time behind the wheel of a new CTS.

-Rear visibility is horrible (even compared to the less-than-stellar rearward visibility in the Genesis)

-Seats are too narrow

-Ingress/Egress to the rear seat is quite poor

-Poorer fuel economy compared to the Genesis

-Pricier when similarly equipped (compared to the Genesis V6)

-Heavier w/ less useable interior room and no greater accelerative peformance (according to MotorTrend)


With that said, if you're looking for a midsize luxury sedan the CTS is a very solid choice. It rides well, is quiet, and has a very nice interior.

Thanks Mr. Waters...

What about in terms of driving dynamics and refinement? You would prefer the Gen over CTS?

 

[jwaters943]

Re: What vehicle(s) did you consider before deciding on the Genesis?

Hmmm, that's a tough call. I think the CTS has a slight edge in driving dynamics (it's still no BMW), but the Genesis has a slight edge in refinement.

 

[kbmuenkel]

Re: What vehicle(s) did you consider before deciding on the Genesis?

CTS vs. the Genesis...I agree with the following...

-CTS seats are narrow

-CTS Ingress/Egress to the rear seat is quite poor

-CTS had poorer fuel economy compared to the Genesis (I believe this is due to the AWD in the CTS4)

-CTS is pricier when similarly equipped compared to the Genesis V6

The interior cabin in a fully loaded CTS4 was impressive. I liked the hard drive functionality of the CTS vs. the Genesis, namely you can download your music directly onto the hard drive. I thought the CTS had a higher quality interior.

In order of inportance, it came down to this...
1. I thought the Genesis was a better value.
2. I liked the larger interior cabin of the Genesis.
3. I preferred the exterior styling of the Genesis over the CTS.

It was that simple

 

[Sal Collaziano]

Re: What vehicle(s) did you consider before deciding on the Genesis?

Hmmm, that's a tough call. I think the CTS has a slight edge in driving dynamics (it's still no BMW), but the Genesis has a slight edge in refinement.

I moved this discussion out of the "What vehicle(s) did you consider before deciding on the Genesis?" discussion - to keep that on track - and let this discussion thrive.

Anyway.. I hear the CTS is as well balanced on the road as the BMW 5-Series. I know the new CTS-V runs "the ring" faster than the M5.....

 

[jwaters943]

With the FE3 suspension it probably is quite close to the Sport Package 5-Series. I should have clarified my writeup further by stating that I've only driven the CTS4 (AWD model) which comes w/ the slightly less aggressive FE2 suspension tuning.

 

[1985Hyundai]

Ive driven a 2009 Cadillac CTS4 3.6L direct injection. It drives very nicely, has a nice roar to the engine. Rated at 304hp it def didnt dissapoint me with the power. It was also nice that it was awd compared to the Genesis (rwd). The power comparison vs the Genesis, I think the CTS 3.6liter direct injection has better power. It def feels more poweful when I pushed it. The interior space, I will have to say the Genesis beats the CTS easily. No competition there. There were a few things about the interior where it looked and felt very cheap in the CTS. I also didnt like the moonroof where it was just a shade covering the front and rear panoramic glass. The price tag of the vehicle I test drove was 58k and some change. Yes thats not a typo, it was 58K i thought it was absurd. I know you can find a nicely equipped CTS4 for 52k. Overall Id go with the Genesis on comfort and quietness of the ride and def price. I do like the new CTS4 just not for that price. Maybe 35k? If it was directly competing against the ACURA TL but to me its just not worth it. I hope i dont offend anyone with the CTS4 its a good car just a tad bit expensive from my point of view. 58K price range is like a LEXUS GS.

 

[1985Hyundai]

^ Oops i pressed enter and it posted. I meant to also write even 58k is a little more than what a Lexus GS goes for. The CTS4 is a good car from cadillac. I think one of their better models in a long time. Just my personal opinion but I think cadillac might be the best if not only REAL luxury american brand. Not knocking mercury?lincoln? but cadillac stands out to me for american luxury. Genesis vs CTS4 both have their strong points and weak points. The CTS4 has its advantage for its sporty looks to the younger crowd.

 

[jwaters943]

While I won't argue that the CTS might "feel" faster than the V6 Genesis, it really isn't. In spite being significantly smaller dimensionally than the Genesis, the CTS is carrying around 125 lbs. more weight (RWD model), and has a poor .36 coefficient of drag (versus .27 for the Genesis). Both of these things blunt accelerative performance and fuel-economy. All things considered, they seem pretty evenly matched in terms of overall performance. The real issue for most buyers, aside from pricing, will be the difference in size. Do you want a midsize car w/ 98 cu ft of passenger space (CTS), or a large car w/ 109 cu ft of passenger space (Genesis)?

From Motor Trend:

With gas prices falling like summer rain in Death Valley, demand for small-displacement (at least, smaller-displacement) engines is high. No surprise, then, that Hyundai expects the Genesis 3.8, equipped with a Lambda 3.8-liter V-6 and an Aisin six-speed automatic, to account for 80 percent of the sales mix. While the V-8-motivated 4.6 is the considerably quicker of the two, the 3.8 is no slouch, with 290 horsepower and 264 pound-feet serving up 0 to 60 in 6.3 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.8 at 95.1 mph. For context, our long-term 2008 Cadillac CTS 3.6L DI, Motor Trend's 2008 Car of the Year, provides similar stats -- 304 horsepower, 273 pound-feet, 0 to 60 in 6.3, the quarter mile in 14.8 at 95.6-but carries a base price of over $3000 more. Plus, the Genesis 3.8 sips less fuel than the direct-injected Caddy -- 18/27 versus 17/26.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...i_genesis_first_test/price_and_v6_engine.html

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[gipp]

My experience with the CTS4 is limited to the Hyundai VIP Test Drive Event. The model they had there had a sticker price of almost $54,000. On this particular test track the CTS was simply not in the same league. It is both physically and visually much smaller both inside and out. The Genesis clearly outperformed the CTS in terms of traction control, chasis rigidity, electonic stability, acceleration, handling, braking and overall ride and comfort. While the CTS interior is arguably "world class" with the clever pop up navi, etc it simply pales in comparison to the clean, crisp interior look of the Genesis. I suggest you do back to back test drives and I think you will really appreciate what Hyundai has done with the Genesis as in my opinion it kicked the 2008 Motor Trend Car of the Year in the butt. No, no way could I possibly be hinting that the Genesis ends up being the 2009 Car of the Year. You heard it here first!!!

 

[Par Avion]

No, no way could I possibly be hinting that the Genesis ends up being the 2009 Car of the Year. You heard it here first!!!

I think you may be right...it's a very exciting possibility.

 

[Michael_S]

My experience with the CTS4 is limited to the Hyundai VIP Test Drive Event. The model they had there had a sticker price of almost $54,000. On this particular test track the CTS was simply not in the same league. It is both physically and visually much smaller both inside and out. The Genesis clearly outperformed the CTS in terms of traction control, chasis rigidity, electonic stability, acceleration, handling, braking and overall ride and comfort. While the CTS interior is arguably "world class" with the clever pop up navi, etc it simply pales in comparison to the clean, crisp interior look of the Genesis. I suggest you do back to back test drives and I think you will really appreciate what Hyundai has done with the Genesis as in my opinion it kicked the 2008 Motor Trend Car of the Year in the butt. No, no way could I possibly be hinting that the Genesis ends up being the 2009 Car of the Year. You heard it here first!!!

The CTS has traction control, a good chassis, electronic stability control, and top notch braking. Handling reviews are good too. I'm surprised you found the Genesis better to drive.

I'm not knocking the Genesis. It's cheaper and more spacious. But the reviews for the 2008+ CTS have been tremendous. Edmunds.com called it the best sedan General Motors ever built.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

If the Cadillac CTS is priced ANYWHERE NEAR $58k, than it's NOT THE PRICE OF THE CADILLAC CTS! It's the price of the Cadillac CTS AT THE DEALERSHIP YOU SAW IT AT - or the Hyundai event you saw it at. The Cadillac CTS does NOT cost $58k in ANY configuration available!

If I place a $100,000.00 price tag on a Cadillac CTS - it does not make the Cadillac CTS a $100,000.00 vehicle! It only makes the Cadillac CTS that I AM SELLING a $100,000.00 vehicle!

Please stop spreading misinformation about the price of an automobile! I am an automobile enthusiast and it makes me very uncomfortable to think that people are going to believe this horrific misconception!

Add up all the options and tell me what you come up with!

The new 2008 Cadillac CTS ($32,245) comes standard with a 263-horsepower V6. A 304-hp V6 ($1,000) is optional. A six-speed manual gearbox is standard; a six-speed automatic ($1,300) is optional. The CTS is rear-wheel drive, but all-wheel-drive ($1,900) is optional.

Every CTS comes with a basic package of 32 luxury, comfort, convenience and safety items including all the normal power assists, XM satellite radio, OnStar with turn-by-turn navigation, and a Bose eight-speaker sound system with CD, MP3 and auxiliary capability.

Options are many. The big one, called the Premium Luxury Collection ($8,015) includes a pop-up navigation and audio screen, a 10-speaker Bose 5.1 sound system with a 40-gigabyte sound storage system, an iPod interface that will operate your iPod from the touch screen and display artist and title info, 10-way heated and cooled leather seats, split folding rear seats, a huge sunroof panel, sapele wood trim, 17-inch alloy wheels, power tilt/telescope wheel, remote starting and keyless entry, and a few odds and ends.

Other options include an 18-inch wheel package ($1,740) with P235/50R18 tires, HID headlights and washers, limited-slip differential, sport suspension, heavy-duty cooling and fog lamps; metallic paint ($995), heavy-duty anti-lock brakes ($395); and a compact spare tire ($250). A performance tire package is available with P235/50ZR18 performance tires and alloy wheels, upgraded ABS, and the FE3 performance suspension ($1,240).

All this comes to $49,080.00 by my calculations. We don't consider the price of a fully loaded V8 Genesis to be $47,000.00 because a few dealerships add a "market adjustment". Do we?

Thank you... Now back to our regular Cadillac CTS vs Hyundai Genesis comparison...

 

[jwaters943]

I'm having deja vu. Did I stumble onto Club Lexus by accident?

Either way, thanks for the clarification Hyundai Genesis.

 

[GenFan]

^^^ Somebody is not happy

 

[Sal Collaziano]

^^^ Somebody is not happy

Hahahah! As emotional as my post may have seemed, I was not feeling emotional about it. After all, it's just a car.. I just wanted to make my statement very clear.

yes, Jwaters! We had this discussion over at ClubLexus before they shut it down.

 

[1985Hyundai]

^ i know ive said this before... go to your local caddy dealer and see how many cts4's they have price 52k and some change... Youd be suprised.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

^ i know ive said this before... go to your local caddy dealer and see how many cts4's they have price 52k and some change... Youd be suprised.

I hear ya.. If the dealership boosts the price and people still buy it - then why not? It's the customer's own fault for getting ripped off..

 

[1985Hyundai]

^ Yeap... agreed. Now i know this is off topic but i just hope Hyundai dealers dont do the same with a few Genesis. That would def hurt sales.