3.3T Ecu tune

[Vortex951]

Reading on the stinger forum it sounds like he was spinning also for this run!!

 

[leesrt]

The tuner can adjust things in correlation for the spark itself that prevent the blow out on the amount of boost being used. And from what I’ve been reading on these tunes is the stage one is actually adding less boost than the jb4 map1(which does not need gapped plugs) and still creating more power due to other parameters being adjusted that a piggy back simply can’t do

Yes, all that is true because they are actually tuning the ECU, not fooling it like they do with the piggy backs. As a result of adjusting timing, lifting some torque management, and tweaking the AFR either richer or leaner you can get better power with the same boost levels to a point but 99.9% of tunes still add boost at least a couple psi.
In any case, depending on how the factory set up the car, you will many times need a one step colder plug. You will always need to tighten the gap on the plug though because you will start getting misfires caused by blow out.
The exception may be if you have a car that already set up pretty stoute like an AMG, RS, V, etc... Even then, when your adding 100+ hp that gap is going to tighten.

 

[Vortex951]

Yes, all that is true because they are actually tuning the ECU, not fooling it like they do with the piggy backs. As a result of adjusting timing, lifting some torque management, and tweaking the AFR either richer or leaner you can get better power with the same boost levels to a point but 99.9% of tunes still add boost at least a couple psi.
In any case, depending on how the factory set up the car, you will many times need a one step colder plug. You will always need to tighten the gap on the plug though because you will start getting misfires caused by blow out.
The exception may be if you have a car that already set up pretty stoute like an AMG, RS, V, etc... Even then, when your adding 100+ hp that gap is going to tighten.

I’m sure there is an amount of boost you can add safely to where the plugs aren’t a factor. Especially when ecu tunes can adjust the supporting components to keep that spark alive. I know map1 on the jb4 adds roughly 4psi and does not require plug to be gapped. Yet map2 which is 5psi highly recommends that plugs be gapped appropriately. Even torks back end flash states you can run stock plugs and gap with any piggyback due to changing dwell time and timing. And I believes it’s presser tech that does not say plugs are needed as well and I think their stage one is only around a 17psi tune which should be less than map 1 of jb4. I’m sure as the tunes get more popular and more people get them we will get more info and data on how the stock plugs will handle the extra power. But we are probably 6-12 months away from that unfortunately. I’m going to be sitting right on my set up for a while and wait for other data to come out and see how everything handled before I buy something else

 

[leesrt]

I’m sure there is an amount of boost you can add safely to where the plugs aren’t a factor. Especially when ecu tunes can adjust the supporting components to keep that spark alive. I know map1 on the jb4 adds roughly 4psi and does not require plug to be gapped. Yet map2 which is 5psi highly recommends that plugs be gapped appropriately. Even torks back end flash states you can run stock plugs and gap with any piggyback due to changing dwell time and timing. And I believes it’s presser tech that does not say plugs are needed as well and I think their stage one is only around a 17psi tune which should be less than map 1 of jb4. I’m sure as the tunes get more popular and more people get them we will get more info and data on how the stock plugs will handle the extra power. But we are probably 6-12 months away from that unfortunately. I’m going to be sitting right on my set up for a while and wait for other data to come out and see how everything handled before I buy something else

The tune your talking about is just a back end tune that basically helps the ECU run better with a piggyback.
If you get their actual tune you will want new plugs and gap down from .035 to .030 or lower.
I've had two of John's tunes along with many others with all of my cars, this isn't ground breaking science. You add 100hp or more you will need different plugs and gap along with some other supporting mods.

 

[Vortex951]

The tune your talking about is just a back end tune that basically helps the ECU run better with a piggyback.
If you get their actual tune you will want new plugs and gap down from .035 to .030 or lower.
I've had two of John's tunes along with many others with all of my cars, this isn't ground breaking science. You add 100hp or more you will need different plugs and gap along with some other supporting mods.

Ya I know what tune I was talking of. I was considering it since I have a piggyback and would like the back end portion. But after seeing the professionalism of presser tech and kagan they will probably get my business first. I already have the gapped plugs so I can run the heavy hitting maps on the jb4 so I won’t be changing back but the fact is pressertech’s stage one doesn’t NEED colder or gapped plugs. I’m sure when they do a stage 2 with more power and more advanced timing the gapped plug will be required like the heavier hitting Tork tune does. But as for now if presser tech isn’t having issues there is no reason to change plugs unless it becomes a problem on multiple cars. I’m sure Todd will be picking one of these tunes up before myself( I really hope he does) and then we will get a beyond super detailed review on how it runs. And after seeing how much he loves testing I feel confident he would gladly test stock plugs and stick gap to make sure it’s good.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Some Stinger owners have stated they saw increased gas mileage after the PRESSERTech tune. I assume some of this can be due to increased spark duration combined with keeping the factory gap. But, who knows, it could also be due to leaner targets during partial throttle.

Purely speculation on my part.

Anyway, if I had to choose an ECU flash right now, I'd go with PRESSERTech. As they seem the safest for someone like me who no longer has a warranty.

Problem is that I wouldn't be able to really test spark plug gap, at least not immediately, because I'm running a 0.026" gap on my plugs right now. If I get their tune I'd eventually either get stock plugs and run a 0.034" gap, or run some other NGK race plugs with the same wide gap (NGK 4901).

 

[Vortex951]

Some Stinger owners have stated they saw increased gas mileage after the PRESSERTech tune. I assume some of this can be due to increased spark duration combined with keeping the factory gap. But, who knows, it could also be due to leaner targets during partial throttle.

Purely speculation on my part.

Anyway, if I had to choose an ECU flash right now, I'd go with PRESSERTech. As they seem the safest for someone like me who no longer has a warranty.

Problem is that I wouldn't be able to really test spark plug gap, at least not immediately, because I'm running a 0.026" gap on my plugs right now. If I get their tune I'd eventually either get stock plugs and run a 0.034" gap, or run some other NGK race plugs with the same wide gap (NGK 4901).

I’m leaning towards kagan myself. But then I have that if anything ever happens issue for a warranty. So I think for now jb4 is where I’m sticking lol. The faster shifts would be amazing but in reality my butt dyno probably wouldn’t notice the difference haha. And the fact that this is my daily is a huge issue being I don’t have another vehicle to get me to and from work if I had to send my ecu out. But I and hugely impressed with Tonkabobs set up of running ecu with the jb4 stack and wmi. Seems like a huge combo that is working incredibly well

 

[Slip_Angle]

Pressertech does look really good as does Kagander. Apparently Kagander may be faster than Pressertech on just 17psi...

 

[Vortex951]

Pressertech does look really good as does Kagander. Apparently Kagander may be faster than Pressretech on just 17psi.

It is a huge possibility. I’m running roughly 20-21 on map7 and I have a hunch that the kagan would be faster than my car with the same mods in the 17psi due to all the other adjustments that hold boost steadier and on shifts for faster recovery. That stuff makes it so hard for them to not take my money haha

 

[Slip_Angle]

It is a huge possibility. I’m running roughly 20-21 on map7 and I have a hunch that the kagan would be faster than my car with the same mods in the 17psi due to all the other adjustments that hold boost steadier and on shifts for faster recovery. That stuff makes it so hard for them to not take my money haha

Apparently Kagander drive-ability is excellent and mileage in comfort mode is up 5 mpg. If I recall, comfort mode is stock tuning and sport brings out beast mode. Pretty cool

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[Vortex951]

Apparently Kagander drive-ability is excellent and mileage in comfort mode is up 5 mpg. If I recall, comfort mode is stock tuning and sport bring out beast mode. Pretty cool

I’m waiting for the stage 2 to be finalized and released. I would only need to get the intercooler and piping before hand for my car to be 100 percent ready for it I believe. As for now I’m just sitting back with popcorn and watching to see what happens with all these tunes. They all look incredible for performance but until I pick up a second vehicle I still want the good reliability of stock. Every time one of the tuners release a little new information though I start drooling more and more

 

[CoconutRob]

I just got JB4 and wow, but I do want a ECU tune eventually and probably Kagan. I also like the different comfort stock and sport tune thing. Maybe stage 2 so will also need an intercooler and Intake.

 

[Vortex951]

I just got JB4 and wow, but I do want a ECU tune eventually and probably Kagan. I also like the different comfort stock and sport tune thing. Maybe stage 2 so will also need an intercooler and Intake.

It kind of looks like it on their website. But it’s still just a 93 octane tune I believe so it being made to run roughly around the 475hp range is pretty good on 93. Might need to splash some e85 in though which is fine with me.

 

[Toddasaurus]

I’m waiting for the stage 2 to be finalized and released. I would only need to get the intercooler and piping before hand for my car to be 100 percent ready for it I believe. As for now I’m just sitting back with popcorn and watching to see what happens with all these tunes. They all look incredible for performance but until I pick up a second vehicle I still want the good reliability of stock. Every time one of the tuners release a little new information though I start drooling more and more

Right there with you. Last thing on the list is an intercooler, then I'm ready for a legit tune.

I really want Kagan's tune, but I worry about drivetrain longetivety. It may turn out that our drivetrain can handle the redacted limits just fine; but, I don't want to take the risk of being an early adopter.

Supposedly PRESSERTech does the same thing with drive modes, with the more aggressive map, along with the more aggressive pedal tuning, being opened up with sport mode.

 

[Vortex951]

Right there with you. Last thing on the list is an intercooler, then I'm ready for a legit tune.

I really want Kagan's tune, but I worry about drivetrain longetivety. It may turn out that our drivetrain can handle the redacted limits just fine; but, I don't want to take the risk of being an early adopter.

Supposedly PRESSERTech does the same thing with drive modes, with the more aggressive map, along with the more aggressive pedal tuning, being opened up with sport mode.

Do you think an aftermarket bov would be something to do as well when doing a full ic kit?

 

[Slip_Angle]

Right there with you. Last thing on the list is an intercooler, then I'm ready for a legit tune.

I really want Kagan's tune, but I worry about drivetrain longetivety. It may turn out that our drivetrain can handle the redacted limits just fine; but, I don't want to take the risk of being an early adopter.

Supposedly PRESSERTech does the same thing with drive modes, with the more aggressive map, along with the more aggressive pedal tuning, being opened up with sport mode.

FYI - Chris (Kagander) has 17K miles on his car with no issues so far... I think you're good to go with that information! Soon you can tell us all how great it is!!

 

[Vortex951]

FYI - Chris (Kagander) has 17K miles on his car with no issues so far... I think you're good to go with that information! Soon you can tell us all how great it is!!

My issue in pulling the trigger for an ecu tune is how hard are those cars driven on a daily? I can almost promise anytime I drive my car it gets redlined usually 2-3 times ( even in my 4 mile drive to and from work each day). And how often are they being launched hard? Mine is usually launched at least once per day when im
Not trying test something out. So just for fun purposes

 

[joschneider]

My issue in pulling the trigger for an ecu tune is how hard are those cars driven on a daily? I can almost promise anytime I drive my car it gets redlined usually 2-3 times ( even in my 4 mile drive to and from work each day). And how often are they being launched hard? Mine is usually launched at least once per day when im
Not trying test something out. So just for fun purposes

Where the hell do you get a chance to launch that many times daily? I’m rarely first at a light and when I am my luck some dumbass is turning right in front of me I usually have to go way out of my way to find a small side street to do it. I agree though, longevity on such a new platform is always going to be a concern, tuned or not. I think at your level of usage you might be the guinea pig in some way no matter what lol

 

[Slip_Angle]

My issue in pulling the trigger for an ecu tune is how hard are those cars driven on a daily? I can almost promise anytime I drive my car it gets redlined usually 2-3 times ( even in my 4 mile drive to and from work each day). And how often are they being launched hard? Mine is usually launched at least once per day when im
Not trying test something out. So just for fun purposes

Would it be a fair argument to say that a JB4 tune would be harder on the car because it needs to push more boost to get the same performance?

 

[Vortex951]

Where the hell do you get a chance to launch that many times daily? I’m rarely first at a light and when I am my luck some dumbass is turning right in front of me I usually have to go way out of my way to find a small side street to do it. I agree though, longevity on such a new platform is always going to be a concern, tuned or not. I think at your level of usage you might be the guinea pig in some way no matter what lol

Driving down the blvd every morning at 4am lol. I hit every red light between serene and sunset for some dumb reason. So I give her a full send each time haha