Change OE tires?

[SullyC]

I have read on this forum and seen reviews of the Dunlop's on Tire Rack that come as Original Equipment and I'm not impressed. Since I have not yet taken delivery, I'm debating whether or not I should try to trade them in. The alternatives I've been looking at are Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus, Continental Extreme Contact DWS or Goodyear Eagle GT.

Your thoughts?

 

[ctrcbob]

Bfg kdws

 

[wallymn]

This is all about personal preferences...

I don't like the dunlops; too sloppy.

Since I have winter tires I plan on a set of summers rather than all-seasons. to be fair to dunlop I don't think they make an all season that would make me happy.


Based on seat time with a set of Michelin PS2s on an M45 I likely will go with a set in the spring. (dunlops are almost out of tread after 16k miles).

Some dealer someone has to get smart and offer a way to "test drive" tires...

We're spending about a grand on a set, without trying them.... seems nuts...

 

[moose66]

Tire Rack claims to test all tires themselves on their test track. But it still doesn't do us any good to just read about the test results. I'm like you wallymn, I like to have a personal opinion from experience. Not just reading from a reivew. But with tires, that is all we get, without a purchase of course.

 

[medhat]

I've had Eagle GTs before, and prefer the OEM Dunlops.

 

[GripperDon]

I suggest Bridgestone Serenity or Goodyear Assurance comfort tread.

 

[PINGGOLF]

Well...if you do plan on purchasing different tires...at least video yourself smoking the old ones! Please!

 

[Flyboy]

I switched because the OEM are not so good on rainy roads here in the NW. Went to the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus and love the difference in many categories of performance. But, if you want to look at specifics for yourself, tirerack.com is a good place to start.

 

[Sayantsi]

I plan on running the OEM tires down and then replacing with something else - I'm not a fan of Dunlops, and the tires on my Genesis aren't impressive.

 

[brihvac]

My Genesis and tires are horrible in the snow

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[TJPark01]

My Genesis and tires are horrible in the snow

Hope you guys saw this article in Car and Driver. I found it quite timely...
2009 Winter Tire Test - Comparison Tests

 

[ctrcbob]

My Genesis and tires are horrible in the snow

Must never snow in Korea.

We all know better. Just ask a Korean War Vet. RWD cars just don't go in the snow like a FWD or AWD. Just something we have to live with. If I have to make an emergency trip up to Penfield NY in the winter, I will take my FWD Continental. Its great in that respect.

 

[scottdk]

RWD cars just don't go in the snow like a FWD or AWD. Just something we have to live with.

Great point Bob. I thought this was a given and people already knew RWD cars suck in the snow. I was surprised to see a thread about something this obvious

 

[TJPark01]

Great point Bob. I thought this was a given and people already knew RWD cars suck in the snow. I was surprised to see a thread about something this obvious

All things being equal, the AWD, and FWD will accelerate faster, or help you get out of snow bank parking spot, but so much has to do with the tires. quote from Car and Driver winter tire test:
"Often cited as the transportation cure for winter climates, all-wheel drive is far from a silver bullet. In previous tests, we’ve discovered that an all-wheel-drive vehicle with all-season tires can outaccelerate either a front- or rear-driver on winter rubber, but that’s where the advantage ends. The additional traction of winter tires allows a two-wheel-drive car to outbrake, outturn, and generally outmaneuver its all-wheel-drive brethren. Of course, the unstoppable winter option that can impart visions of rally-driving heroism is the combination of all-wheel drive and winter tires, but possessing all-wheel drive generally sacrifices a rear-drive car’s handling balance in the dry, adds a couple hundred pounds, and comes with a fuel-economy penalty. That’s why our preferred choice is to buy a second set of tires to get through the winter—almost always cheaper than the price of all-wheel drive—while relishing the superior dynamics of rear-wheel drive the rest of the year."

 

[scottdk]

All things being equal, the AWD, and FWD will accelerate faster, or help you get out of snow bank parking spot, but so much has to do with the tires. quote from Car and Driver winter tire test:
"Often cited as the transportation cure for winter climates, all-wheel drive is far from a silver bullet. In previous tests, we’ve discovered that an all-wheel-drive vehicle with all-season tires can outaccelerate either a front- or rear-driver on winter rubber, but that’s where the advantage ends. The additional traction of winter tires allows a two-wheel-drive car to outbrake, outturn, and generally outmaneuver its all-wheel-drive brethren. Of course, the unstoppable winter option that can impart visions of rally-driving heroism is the combination of all-wheel drive and winter tires, but possessing all-wheel drive generally sacrifices a rear-drive car’s handling balance in the dry, adds a couple hundred pounds, and comes with a fuel-economy penalty. That’s why our preferred choice is to buy a second set of tires to get through the winter—almost always cheaper than the price of all-wheel drive—while relishing the superior dynamics of rear-wheel drive the rest of the year."

I can understand this, and I know I have the stock summer tires, but on a more mainstream car they have all seasons and one should not have to change the tires in order to move and drive safely. I've had times when driving the Genesis last winter when I bought it where I was driving around a curve in the highway and could feel the rear end trying to swing out. ESC prevented this from happening, but made more work then it really should. All the FWD and AWD cars that I've owned and driven were ten times better. Period

Keep in mind I really believe the Genesis probably handles well with winter tires in the colder temps and in the snow, but this is something you wouldn't have to do on an AWD or FWD vehicle.

 

[TJPark01]

I can understand this, and I know I have the stock summer tires, but on a more mainstream car they have all seasons and one should not have to change the tires in order to move and drive safely. I've had times when driving the Genesis last winter when I bought it where I was driving around a curve in the highway and could feel the rear end trying to swing out. ESC prevented this from happening, but made more work then it really should. All the FWD and AWD cars that I've owned and driven were ten times better. Period
Keep in mind I really believe the Genesis probably handles well with winter tires in the colder temps and in the snow, but this is something you wouldn't have to do on an AWD or FWD vehicle.

Yes it's true that swapping out your Dunlop's for winter tires is kind of a pain in the arse especially if you happen to live in an apartment. But a more mainstream car as you mention can't go 0-60 in 5.5 sec, stop @ 116 ft from 60 mph and pull .87g on the skidpad, these numbers are helped by the performance rubber. Yes, there is a penalty to pay in the snow, but these are things only cars costing 10-20k more can do. So perhaps allocating some of the money you saved by purchasing the Genesis to a set of proper winter tires would make sense; and bask in the glory of your decision to buy a champagne car with beer money.

 

[scottdk]

Yes it's true that swapping out your Dunlop's for winter tires is kind of a pain in the arse especially if you happen to live in an apartment. But a more mainstream car as you mention can't go 0-60 in 5.5 sec, stop @ 116 ft from 60 mph and pull .87g on the skidpad, these numbers are helped by the performance rubber. Yes, there is a penalty to pay in the snow, but these are things only cars costing 10-20k more can do. So perhaps allocating some of the money you saved by purchasing the Genesis to a set of proper winter tires would make sense; and bask in the glory of your decision to buy a champagne car with beer money.

Well said TJ I'll need new tires in the spring or maybe mid-summer and I'm going to go with the super sticky Sumotumo HTRZR III's. Highest performing tires they make and they price tag on the is pretty darn good too. Much less then the stock Dunlops.

I hold nothing against putting another set of tires on the Genesis for Winter at all, I just get the satisfaction in Spring when I start driving the car again, and it's going to feel like it did when I first drove it home from the dealer, except better, since I'm more familiar with the car now I'll have a perma-smile when I get back in it, and only see 16,800 on the OD also. If I drove the car all year round, I'd have 100,000 miles on it in no time, probably 4 years or so. I don't want to have the warranty expired on the powertrain when I'm still paying on the car. I drive it like I stole it!

 

[TJPark01]

Well said TJ I'll need new tires in the spring or maybe mid-summer and I'm going to go with the super sticky Sumotumo HTRZR III's. Highest performing tires they make and they price tag on the is pretty darn good too.

Since you have a sporty tilt you may want to plus size the tires without too much ride quality penalty . 245/45 on stock 18 rims. Or go nuts and swap out the rims to 19's and 255/40 and beyond. Since you live in MN, it makes sense for you to have summer and winter shoes.

 

[scottdk]

Since you have a sporty tilt you may want to plus size the tires without too much ride quality penalty . 245/45 on stock 18 rims. Or go nuts and swap out the rims to 19's and 255/40 and beyond. Since you live in MN, it makes sense for you to have summer and winter shoes.

I actually was going to purchase wider tires for the car, and possiblly even wheels to put even wider tires on the car, but I think If I actually get a good tire (unlike the Dunlops) such as a super sticky set, the car might actually get the traction needed without increasing the width of the tires. Plus once you have all the traction in the world from much wider tires, and combine that with all that horsepower.......the power transfer's gotta go somewhere and if you don't have any wheel spin the power goes right to the drivetrain and so does the stress, and eventually......something breaks

 

[SullyC]

Sorry it took me a while to get back to this thread (Holidays). I want to thank the comments but I feel I bought a car that has performance not a performance car. It replaced my Grand Marquis. My wife uses it around town and to help with the grandkids. I use it as a highway cruiser on trips and I hate a “doggy” car!

I’ve driven rear wheel cars all my life. The last car that I got stuck with was my (new) ’69 Road Runner and that was on glare ice. I had snows on it (I don’t think they had M+S tires then). If you know how to drive and not like a nut, you can do fine with good M+S tires. If its really bad, I don’t go out!

The other reason is that the car that I normally drive is a 06 Mustang GT convertible that I’ve done a little work to. It does well under 5 seconds in a 0-60mph. In the winter I de-tune it, put on 4 Bridgestone Blizzaks and it goes fine. It also has the same feature as the Genesis, in that you can start it in 2nd so you don’t put so much torque to the wheels.

Regarding trading in my OEM tires, I discovered that I’d get next to nothing for them! I’ll put a few more miles on and then decide if it’s worth the penalty.