GV80 Pricing (USA) Revealed

[ctsooner]

Agree. I am concerned for them if they decide to stay hard on their numbers which I assume they will. Maybe they will sell their allotments in the US and it's a non issue. We should find out with in the next 90 days or so how much things have opened up.

 

[BGR]

One of the dealers I spoke with initially reached out last week. He has 5 claimed loaded prestige models but they have 10 additional they ordered that are unclaimed. I can tell from talking to him they have concerns with the ability to move the ones they're getting. Especially at this time.

 

[Fun and Joy]

One of the dealers I spoke with initially reached out last week. He has 5 claimed loaded prestige models but they have 10 additional they ordered that are unclaimed. I can tell from talking to him they have concerns with the ability to move the ones they're getting. Especially at this time.

These are interesting times indeed. Things are changing so rapidly it’s hard to know what will happen.
My salesman, Chicago area, just informed me they are receiving only three of nine ordered, and they will receive a second shipment late summer with my build, but not confirmed yet. Auto sales are collapsing world wide now and I have to believe Genesis Execs are watching the situation carefully and may make delivery adjustments as needed. Everything is very fluid right now.

 

[ctsooner]

I wonder if my dealer will even get any based on what you guy are posting. It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

I should have been more specific in the choices that I made to get to the $76K:

a) Standard tires (I'm not interested in the GV80's 22s, and would seek to swap them out at the dealer for 20s)
b) Vernasca leather
c) The $500 paint
d) The Harmon sound system not the B&W (as much as I like B&W and have their floor standing speakers, I'm not paying $4K)
c) No floor mats.
d) Smaller engine

But I did include third row seats (which come with air suspension), executive option, comfort seats, etc.

To get to the $81K, I added more expensive paint, night vision, floor mats and a few other things that I would like to have. I would also seriously consider the hybrid that is coming this summer, but I think that will come in at $6-8K more pre tax. Clearly, you can option a gas X5 up to almost $90K if you want everything.

Even at my preferred $81K configuration, I was expecting that the GV80 would come in at least $15K less. I'm not sure the $10K difference would make me give up my BMW bias. Actually, it will be my wife's car, and it is her BMW bias! She loves her current X5.

I am totally with you on this one. At roughly 73K for the fully loaded GV80 the difference with the BMW X5 x40i becomes a wash, and the choice is not as obvious as the one I made since my first Genesis in 2009.
With more toys in X5 and with its bonus depreciation in the first year for small business, X5 actually wins both in the car, as well as the price departments.
Don't throw dead squirrels at me - YMMV and I respect all your opinions and choices you will have to make

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

I think you are right about that and they will probably operate similarly to they did when the G70 came out. You were able to get a good discount on your but most early purchasers were paying MSRP before any incentive. Perhaps after a few months when the initial rush dies down they will need to discount them to keep sales at the same level.

I am not sure that there will be any rush with the economy circling the drain and unemployment hitting new heights every week now. Not sure.

 

[XBOHDPuKC]

I am not inflating. Your are in LA. get me a dealer contact who is not marking up their 2020 G90.
I been in contact with every dealer who has 2020 G90 in SoCal and everyone is marking it up in a way or another, market adjustment or dealer installed stuff

I'm curious if they are moving volumes of G90 with those markups...

 

[Backslack]

I am totally with you on this one. At roughly 73K for the fully loaded GV80 the difference with the BMW X5 x40i becomes a wash, and the choice is not as obvious as the one I made since my first Genesis in 2009.
With more toys in X5 and with its bonus depreciation in the first year for small business, X5 actually wins both in the car, as well as the price departments.

We've been through this topic a million times, but this argument is applicable to every Genesis product currently sold. If you're comparing depreciated used BMW's to Genesis, the values will usually overlap, and the BMW or any other German brand will usually be cheaper because that's how horrendous their depreciation is. And if this way of thinking was commonplace among consumers, you'd be seeing far more people buying 2-year-old used 540i's over brand new top-of-the-line V6 Camry's. Asking Genesis to bargain bin price themselves into worthlessness like the '09 Genesis just because you want them to be cheaper than a used BMW makes no sense whatsoever.

Not to mention that most BMW and other luxury brand buyers lease anyway, so our long discussions of sales price are ultimately meaningless to most buyers in this segment.

 

[TurtleBoy]

We've been through this topic a million times, but this argument is applicable to every Genesis product currently sold. If you're comparing depreciated used BMW's to Genesis, the values will usually overlap, and the BMW or any other German brand will usually be cheaper because that's how horrendous their depreciation is. And if this way of thinking was commonplace among consumers, you'd be seeing far more people buying 2-year-old used 540i's over brand new top-of-the-line V6 Camry's. Asking Genesis to bargain bin price themselves into worthlessness like the '09 Genesis just because you want them to be cheaper than a used BMW makes no sense whatsoever.

Not to mention that most BMW and other luxury brand buyers lease anyway, so our long discussions of sales price are ultimately meaningless to most buyers in this segment.

You are missing his point. He is not talking about a used X5 but rather the depreciation deduction that you can get with a new X5 that you can't with the GV80 due to the GVWR.

 

[Backslack]

You are missing his point. He is not talking about a used X5 but rather the depreciation deduction that you can get with a new X5 that you can't with the GV80 due to the GVWR.

I see, thanks for clarifying. However, the GVWR discounts won't be applicable to most people, and it isn't available if you lease. Nice to have if you are planning a full purchase, but those buyers will be in the minority.

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[XBOHDPuKC]

I see, thanks for clarifying. However, the GVWR discounts won't be applicable to most people, and it isn't available if you lease. Nice to have if you are planning a full purchase, but those buyers will be in the minority.

I really wasn't talking for all the people, or many people, or, actually a few people, only for myself. Should I just shut up and sing hallelujah to the majority of those people who my point of view is not applicable to? At the same time, I don't ask Genesis to be anything or want them to be anything, I am just stating the facts as they are applicable to me and my current situation. Appreciate your understanding and patience while the opinions other than yours and different than yours are discussed in the public forum.

 

[TurtleBoy]

I really wasn't talking for all the people, or many people, or, actually a few people, only for myself. Should I just shut up and sing hallelujah to the majority of those people who my point of view is not applicable to? At the same time, I don't ask Genesis to be anything or want them to be anything, I am just stating the facts as they are applicable to me and my current situation. Appreciate your understanding and patience while the opinions other than yours and different than yours are discussed in the public forum.

He just tries to stir things up while showing off his "superior" knowledge. Just ignore him like many have learned to do, it is not really worth our time to respond even though it is hard at times.

 

[Backslack]

I really wasn't talking for all the people, or many people, or, actually a few people, only for myself.

And most people reading the comments will not know that you were referring to the GVWR discounts because that was something you did not mention, so yes, to most people they would think that is applicable to them. You can have any opinion you want- but the internet, especially forums, are not a place where you can say whatever you want with no response. Your points are no more valid than mine.

He just tries to stir things up while showing off his "superior" knowledge. Just ignore him like many have learned to do, it is not really worth our time to respond even though it is hard at times.

Oh please, we all know how you feel about the GV80, and your bias towards BMW. You really think you're in a position to dismiss what I say?

 

[TurtleBoy]

And most people reading the comments will not know that you were referring to the GVWR discounts because that was something you did not mention, so yes, to most people they would think that is applicable to them.

With more toys in X5 and with its bonus depreciation in the first year for small business, X5 actually wins both in the car, as well as the price departments.

 

[Backslack]

And where is the GVWR mentioned?

Listen to yourself and take your own advice before responding to me.

 

[TurtleBoy]

And where is the GVWR mentioned?

Listen to yourself and take your own advice before responding to me.

You are right I should but when someone shows such willful ignorance and trolling as you do I just can't help myself. Obviously you know damm well the depreciation for small businesses is based on GVWR.

 

[Backslack]

Obviously you know damm well the depreciation for small businesses is based on GVWR.

Um, no I didn't. And most people reading the thread won't either. That's why I thanked you for mentioning it.

The last person who called me a troll got banned, so I suggest you be careful with your insults.

 

[TurtleBoy]

Um, no I didn't. And most people reading the thread won't either. That's why I thanked you for mentioning it.

The last person who called me a troll got banned, so I suggest you be careful with your insults.

Wow, you are something. He clearly stated that he was talking about the depreciation for small businesses but in usual fashion you ignore anything that is not in your preconceived, sad, little world. Just to smack you with some reality, the overwhelming majority of members here are thankfully not like you and are here to discuss and learn and part of that is actually reading the posts and not just jumping on them and trying to dispute and rile people up.

I am not intending to insult you at all but rather compliment you. I must admit you are one of the most skillful trolls we have ever had on this site, possibly the best. Your posts just drip with misinformation, deflection, dishonesty and passive aggressive attacks.

Perhaps I'm mistaken and giving you way too much credit and it really is just an extreme case of willful ignorance and an unrealistic desire to be needed and seen as someone who has some knowledge. If that is the case then I apologize and have included a link that may be of some help.

Willful Ignorance and Self-Deception

 

[Backslack]

He clearly stated that he was talking about the depreciation for small businesses but in usual fashion you ignore anything that is not in your preconceived, sad, little world. Just to smack you with some reality, the overwhelming majority of members here are thankfully not like you and are here to discuss and learn and part of that is actually reading the posts and not just jumping on them and trying to dispute and rile people up.

YOU decided to rile YOURSELF up dude. Don't blame me for how emotional you get simply because you have some stupid grudge against me and every comment I make.

As for your comment, most people would never think "GVWR" when "depreciation for small business" is mentioned. How would they, when the GVWR wasn't even mentioned? However, the "1st year deprecation" that was mentioned IS a thing people have mentioned before (like Ctsooner)- and so what I say is still quite relevant to the conversation.

And if you still insist on the personal insults and calling me a "troll", don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[ctsooner]

Yes, I did understand what he was getting at. Guys, the other thing that 'could' hurt the GV80 price wise is that it's the end of the model year for the Europeans and they will discount their cars about 10k for the left over 2020's. They will have a mad stock of them and they must move them as soon as things open up. Jag is already trying to offer me their new refreshed 21's at a 'large' discount. They don't know what Jag is going to offer, but they always offer 10% off last year models. I told them if they offer 10% off the 21 model then we can start talking.

Guys, it's doing to be a Wild West to get rid of cars in stock once it opens up. It may not hurt Genesis, but it could get ugly. None of us know what will happen nor do we know when anything will start to happen. We speculate because we are bored as heck and excited about new car launches. Heck, I even started to think about possibly the new G80 fully tricked out as it's so much less than the GV80, lol. I love the idea of a Genesis if I decide to purchase. The total cost of ownership should be less than most if I keep the car for 5 years or more (although Jag gives 5 years full warranty as well as 5 years of maintenance built into the cost).

BTW, to anyone who doesn't think that folks who can afford anything they want, don't care about price.....you are dead wrong most of the time. Nearly every person I know cares about how much they pay for most anything.