The G80 is the "last man standing"...

[Rock6]

You raised solid points. The G80 is very unique, beautiful , great value and dependable. Quite surprising your friend thats an owner of a ‘Fully Loaded’ E class depending on which year he has, favors the G80 ultimate you have. Thats a wonderful thing to hear. A fully loaded E class tops an 530i and A6, in my opinion. Seems like they all have an open mind when comes to different vehicles. I driven a BMW 530i (2019-2020) is not smooth or powerful (performance) in comparison to the 3.8 L g80. Handling is better on the 5 series and i do like color ambient trim around the car however its still inferior to the g80 if you truly dissect both cars. Im not sure if the 540i , M550i are different breeds but im sure the g80 sport 3.3 T & the new g80 3.5 T can compete just fine.

What Year is your G80 Ultimate? Is it also the 3.8 L or the 5.0 ?

i truly believe Genesis is an A tier vehicle, you can put in the same class with the Europeans. Most people wouldn’t definitely not agree though. Thats when the open minded comes into play. As you said doesnt lead in class, but is good at everything. I still cant believe my Co-worker said , acura is better than Genesis, i was in disbelief. Acura has never been better than genesis. As I said prestige is really hurting genesis to the point where they are disrespecting the brand and no nothing about, havent even driven one to make a logical judgment.

im curious are you referring to the years of 2015-2021 Genesis line based on your whole point or from 2017 to Current Now ? What model years are you referring to specifically?

i agree Value Value Value.

i still wonder why any of the genesis g80 from 2015- Current doesnt appeal to the younger Men and Women. 20s , 30s whatever you consider on the younger side. I see a grip of them getting the kia stingers, the g70, the Q50s , Bmw 3 series mainly over the Genesis g80. Most particularly the “Kia Stinger” over the g80. Same 3.3 T engine you will find the g80 sport yet they favors the kia looks. So idk ..

I'm with you, a fully loaded E-class if beautiful, visually stunning and a technological tour-de-force. They are relatively reliable and all luxury cars are safe. What swayed my friend was the a) value proposition of the G80; b) cost of ownership; c) roominess of interior cabin; d) quietness of cabin; e) practicality of features; f) cost of maintenance; and the funniest of them all but one of the reasons I chose the car was, g) CO2 sensor. For the money It was just getting tough to justify the cost differential. One other point I made was how fast are we actually going to drive on the road? Key is do you have enough power and agility to get out of an accident? My friend has a 2016 E-class, the others have a 2016 BMW 530i and 2015 BMW 750. I have the 2017 G80 3.8L Ultimate in Parisian Gray, I went with the 3.8 because of better balance and felt that it had enough power to get out of trouble. Like you there are touches in all the cars mentioned (I do like the ambient lighting that the BMW and Mercedes have).

I agree too about people and opinions. What I'm finding though is as they make themselves familiar and drive in the car their opinions change (I work at an aerospace company, every time its my turn to drive I get a new convert to Genesis), many of them rely on what they read, although a lot of reviewers are changing their minds (an example would be US News and Review, a very neutral car review guide. They have the G80 as the number 1 or 2 ranked mid-sized luxury car from 2017 through 2020, dropping to number 4 2021). I suspect they use many of the real world measurands I'm using.

I have kids in the 20's and 30's. The G80 has a more stately, button-down, mature feeling than the Stinger, G70 and BMW 3-series (G80 is used as an personal executive sedan with a driver in Asia, the Stinger, G70 and Q50 are not, neither is the BMW 3-series in its respective country, different mission, different form factors), those cars can be thrown around more than the G80 which has a tendency to maintain its composure with some body-roll in sudden maneuvers. A testament to that would be my 39 year-old and 37 year-old who are starting lean towards the G80. The biggest point about the cars mentioned is they are smaller and fall into a different category and have a different driving mission.

Many persons try to lump the G80 with these cars based on cost instead of form and function. What's being missed is Genesis is taking a page out of the Lexus playbook; low cost, high value, high quality, most used/popular luxury features. Build he brand and following first. The more exotic and niche features along with higher prices will follow once fully established. Also keep prices down by bundling features, ala cart features may come in the future once Genesis is fully established but for right now building a loyal customer base is more important.

 

[Rock6]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. But I'll also add that Genesis' dealers are hurting the brand. I've had my 2017 G90, which I leased from an out-of-state dealer, serviced at a local Hyundai shop for three years. While a separate, better-appointed facility would have been welcome, they've been competent and communicative. Other people here haven't been so fortunate, however.

But I can't say the same for my experience trying to buy or lease a G80 over the past few weeks. I contacted one dealer using their web chat twice and they haven't even bothered to get back to me. Maybe they think web inquiries are less serious, but they're becoming the norm. Are they selling so many cars that they can afford not to follow up every lead? The other dealer has been better, though I clearly know much more about Genesis than the Hyundai salesman I've been working with. (Both advertise themselves as Genesis dealers but don't have separate showrooms.)

As you say, prices are rising. At some point, perhaps soon, the cost savings won't be enough to compensate for poor dealers and after-sale support.

You are absolutely correct, dealership owners are killing the brand. To help a bit of history. When Hyundai first made Genesis their plan was to break away from Hyundai dealerships and build an initial separate 100 dealerships. Well, if I'm not mistaken in it's first year Genesis outsold Audi in its respective classes, dealers then knew they may have a winner on their hands and sued Hyundai to try and keep Genesis within Hyundai dealerships. In response Hyundai completely separated Genesis and Hyundai and stopped shipping Genesis cars during the 2019 season.

The dealers and Genesis came up with a compromise that said, "Okay Hyundai dealers, you can sell Genesis, we would like you to have a separate showroom, service department, sales staff, etc..." Dealers said okay but the majority Had their fingers crossed behind their backs. So what you'll see is Genesis signage at Hyundai dealerships, maybe a separate intake technician to do the initial handling of your Genesis service for maintenance but the rest is pretty half-baked because to do what should be done costs money and Hyundai dealers want exclusive rights to Genesis, want to sell Genesis, like the fact that Genesis makes them look upscale - but they don't want to commit the money.

If Genesis parent company doesn't get the contractual and fiduciary obligations with current dealers under control or dealers don't start doing what they promised, to lay the blame squarely where it belongs - U.S. dealers are are going to kill what appears to be the start of great brand due to greed and cheapness. They want the money and prestige the brand brings but are being too cheap to commit resources to "separate and grow" the brand as they originally agreed.

So Genesis suffers. They are supposed to have separate show rooms, dedicated sales staff, separate maintenance, separate intake, higher level of customer service...think you get the deal. Problem is the owners of the Hyundai dealerships, after they sued, did a lot of whining and crying, promising the corporation they would do as promised basically stabbed the corporation in the back. Do stop shipping cars as they did once before and exasperate an already difficult problem or march ahead as they look for a solution? Genesis has decided to march ahead a look for a solution. The first thing they did was bring in a new USA manager and demote the previous one that let this fiasco happen under his watch to deputy.

Now the hard part is to either get dealers to do what they promised to do or untangle and have two separate entities. This will come to a head shortly as by 2022 Genesis will have six models on the lot requiring care and feeding to go along with the myriad of models Hyundai has. It'll be a big mess and hurt both lines if they don't get their proverbial act together. I'd hang in there a bit longer to see if they can get it straight. If not I hope dealers understand that customers will be the hammer that will but the final nail in the Genesis coffin they built if they don't correct their mistakes - almost makes you wish some of these owners took classes in business, economics or both.

 

[david2u]

You are absolutely correct, dealership owners are killing the brand. To help a bit of history. When Hyundai first made Genesis their plan was to break away from Hyundai dealerships and build an initial separate 100 dealerships. Well, if I'm not mistaken in it's first year Genesis outsold Audi in its respective classes, dealers then knew they may have a winner on their hands and sued Hyundai to try and keep Genesis within Hyundai dealerships. In response Hyundai completely separated Genesis and Hyundai and stopped shipping Genesis cars during the 2019 season.

The dealers and Genesis came up with a compromise that said, "Okay Hyundai dealers, you can sell Genesis, we would like you to have a separate showroom, service department, sales staff, etc..." Dealers said okay but the majority Had their fingers crossed behind their backs. So what you'll see is Genesis signage at Hyundai dealerships, maybe a separate intake technician to do the initial handling of your Genesis service for maintenance but the rest is pretty half-baked because to do what should be done costs money and Hyundai dealers want exclusive rights to Genesis, want to sell Genesis, like the fact that Genesis makes them look upscale - but they don't want to commit the money.

If Genesis parent company doesn't get the contractual and fiduciary obligations with current dealers under control or dealers don't start doing what they promised, to lay the blame squarely where it belongs - U.S. dealers are are going to kill what appears to be the start of great brand due to greed and cheapness. They want the money and prestige the brand brings but are being too cheap to commit resources to "separate and grow" the brand as they originally agreed.

So Genesis suffers. They are supposed to have separate show rooms, dedicated sales staff, separate maintenance, separate intake, higher level of customer service...think you get the deal. Problem is the owners of the Hyundai dealerships, after they sued, did a lot of whining and crying, promising the corporation they would do as promised basically stabbed the corporation in the back. Do stop shipping cars as they did once before and exasperate an already difficult problem or march ahead as they look for a solution? Genesis has decided to march ahead a look for a solution. The first thing they did was bring in a new USA manager and demote the previous one that let this fiasco happen under his watch to deputy.

Now the hard part is to either get dealers to do what they promised to do or untangle and have two separate entities. This will come to a head shortly as by 2022 Genesis will have six models on the lot requiring care and feeding to go along with the myriad of models Hyundai has. It'll be a big mess and hurt both lines if they don't get their proverbial act together. I'd hang in there a bit longer to see if they can get it straight. If not I hope dealers understand that customers will be the hammer that will but the final nail in the Genesis coffin they built if they don't correct their mistakes - almost makes you wish some of these owners took classes in business, economics or both.

You are absolutely correct, dealership owners are killing the brand. To help a bit of history. When Hyundai first made Genesis their plan was to break away from Hyundai dealerships and build an initial separate 100 dealerships. Well, if I'm not mistaken in it's first year Genesis outsold Audi in its respective classes, dealers then knew they may have a winner on their hands and sued Hyundai to try and keep Genesis within Hyundai dealerships. In response Hyundai completely separated Genesis and Hyundai and stopped shipping Genesis cars during the 2019 season.

The dealers and Genesis came up with a compromise that said, "Okay Hyundai dealers, you can sell Genesis, we would like you to have a separate showroom, service department, sales staff, etc..." Dealers said okay but the majority Had their fingers crossed behind their backs. So what you'll see is Genesis signage at Hyundai dealerships, maybe a separate intake technician to do the initial handling of your Genesis service for maintenance but the rest is pretty half-baked because to do what should be done costs money and Hyundai dealers want exclusive rights to Genesis, want to sell Genesis, like the fact that Genesis makes them look upscale - but they don't want to commit the money.

If Genesis parent company doesn't get the contractual and fiduciary obligations with current dealers under control or dealers don't start doing what they promised, to lay the blame squarely where it belongs - U.S. dealers are are going to kill what appears to be the start of great brand due to greed and cheapness. They want the money and prestige the brand brings but are being too cheap to commit resources to "separate and grow" the brand as they originally agreed.

So Genesis suffers. They are supposed to have separate show rooms, dedicated sales staff, separate maintenance, separate intake, higher level of customer service...think you get the deal. Problem is the owners of the Hyundai dealerships, after they sued, did a lot of whining and crying, promising the corporation they would do as promised basically stabbed the corporation in the back. Do stop shipping cars as they did once before and exasperate an already difficult problem or march ahead as they look for a solution? Genesis has decided to march ahead a look for a solution. The first thing they did was bring in a new USA manager and demote the previous one that let this fiasco happen under his watch to deputy.

Now the hard part is to either get dealers to do what they promised to do or untangle and have two separate entities. This will come to a head shortly as by 2022 Genesis will have six models on the lot requiring care and feeding to go along with the myriad of models Hyundai has. It'll be a big mess and hurt both lines if they don't get their proverbial act together. I'd hang in there a bit longer to see if they can get it straight. If not I hope dealers understand that customers will be the hammer that will but the final nail in the Genesis coffin they built if they don't correct their mistakes - almost makes you wish some of these owners took classes in business, economics or both.

Where I see the issue with the G80 is the lease price. I have a 2018 E300, and I’m paying (no money down except taxes and fees), and my payment is 560.00
I went to Genesis and the lease price was right around 725.00, with the same out of pocket as the Benz. I went to BMW to look at the 5 series, and it was just about the same price as my Benz.
I will preface all of this by saying that I had a 2016 Genesis 3.8 AWD that I really enjoyed.
I had some issues that were eventually taken care of but then the car was totaled in 2018.
I went back for another Genesis but at that time, there was just no inventory.
My payment on the Genesis, with taxes in, wheel and tire package, 15K per year, was 388.00.
As much as I like the new G80, just can’t justify spending double what I was spending previously.
The real complaint I had was the “Hyundai” service experience. It was really lacking, and the “upscale” experience was no where to be found.
Not sure if anything has changed here on Long Island.
It’s a shame, I’d love to have another one.

 

[YEH]

^ Lease rates are a major issue.

Lexus execs have stated that it's just about the biggest reason why it has been so difficult for them to compete against the German RWDs.

Even Audi has difficulty offering the lease rates that BMW and Merc do, which is a big reason why their sales at the higher end of the lux market pales in comparison.

 

[Genesis2021*]

YEH, you are absolutely correct. Some cars are better for buying than leasing. Audi leases #’s are always much worse than Mercedes or BMW.

 

[TinsleyC]

So what drives that ability to have lower lease costs, a car's ability to hold it's value? Or is it more sinister than that.

 

[Genesis2021*]

There are two things that contribute to lower lease #’s. The biggest factor is residual value. Audi’s have a reputation of needing a lot of repairs and maintenance. Especially right after a few years or just after the warranty period. The residual value of an Audi is much less than a Mercedes . BMW is in between. The other factor is the interest rate on the lease. This is where the manufacturer can influence the lease #’s. They can supplement or buy down the interest rate to bring down the lease. Genesis is NOT doing this. When I leased my G80 a month ago, the interest rate , money factor, equated to a rate of 3.5% on a 3 year lease with top-tier credit. This is ridiculous ! A 30 year mortgage is 3%. They can be much more competitive with their leases once supply issues abate.

 

[Backslack]

So what drives that ability to have lower lease costs, a car's ability to hold it's value? Or is it more sinister than that.

Not quite. BMW's have high residual values and lease for relatively cheap but are the worst depreciating vehicles across the board, occasionally only topped by Italian and British brands.

 

[Audiophile1997]

Well I'm 29 and looking to step into a G80 5.0 Ultimate. For the longest time, I was going to go with Lexus LS, ES, or Avalon. But I was swayed after driving the G80. The Europeans or Americans don't make anything id want in a car these days.

 

[OBO]

Well I'm 29 and looking to step into a G80 5.0 Ultimate. For the longest time, I was going to go with Lexus LS, ES, or Avalon. But I was swayed after driving the G80. The Europeans or Americans don't make anything id want in a car these days.

You will love the the 5.0 the power is amazing, a v8 which you can modified the sound to your liking, 420 horses, no slouch. apparently ppl get decent mpg on the 5.0. The 3.8 is solid, the 3.3 is the middle ground which is very appealing as well.

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[Rock6]

Audiophile 1997, you are a wise person. The Ultimate 5.0 is an excellent choice. If the BMW 540 and Lexus GS were combined, the G80 Ultimate is what you'd get. Performance of the BMW, smoothness and reliability of the Lexus, quieter than both. Although I chose the 3.8 Ultimate(Slightly better balance for slightly better driving dynamics [engine weight]), the naturally aspirated V-8 has such a smooth delivery of power it is very deceptive. I love the 3.3T as well but the power surges in that one (all turbos have that characteristic although it isn't has pronounced in the Genesis), can't go wrong with any of the choices - right now the G80 and the Lexus LS are kings of the luxury aftermarket, if you find a 5.0 ultimate snatch it up before someone else does, won't last too long.

 

[PFWiz]

This is why I am buying a G80. Other than Caddy and the Germans (OK, and Kia) who else makes a large