2022 Genesis G70 3.3T races Audi S4

[Genny Guy]

The S4 does not compete with M and AMG. That would be the RS5. The S4 and G70 are in the same class. However, you are correct that the S4 costs a fair bit more and the G70 is much different with an ECU tune.

Not quite. There's levels inside M and AMG. Proper comparison is M340i and AMG C43. Not full blown M3 or AMG C63S.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Not quite. There's levels inside M and AMG. Proper comparison is M340i and AMG C43. Not full blown M3 or AMG C63S.

The assertion was against M3/M4 or C63.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Here are the Car and Driver stats for the G70 left and S4 right. The S4 is quicker due to it's superior launch. The G70 has a faster trap, which means it's catching up. On a roll, the G70 is faster (30-50 and 50-70)

 

[KusaKusa]

The G70 also does significantly better at the 5-60 mph number. That should demonstrate how much the S4 relies on its launch control conditions to achieve a strong 0-60, whereas the 5-60 would be much more indicative of real world performance.

 

[Slip_Angle]

The G70 also does significantly better at the 5-60 mph number. That should demonstrate how much the S4 relies on its launch control conditions to achieve a strong 0-60, whereas the 5-60 would be much more indicative of real world performance.

Absolutely and it's the BEST indicator of a cars power vs trick launch control.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[carguy75]

Here are the Car and Driver stats for the G70 left and S4 right. The S4 is quicker due to it's superior launch. The G70 has a faster trap, which means it's catching up. On a roll, the G70 is faster (30-50 and 50-70)



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I personal would buy an G70 vs. an S4. Especially when looking at the near identical performance numbers.

Yes, the S4 would leave a G70 in the dust on a drag strip when using launch control; however it would not really be much quicker(if at all) on a merge lane when launch control will not be used in traffic.

I like the S4, but I would spend my money on the 2022 G70 if I had to choose.

I have dusted a few quicker on paper turbo cars with my 5.0 on merging lanes when launch control was not used.

 

[Beefer]

^ seriously...what in the world are you talking about?!?!

The S4 does NOT “leave it in the dust”. Have you not read a single thing that was said?!?!

The S4 might have a quicker initial bite...but the G70 catches up quickly. And 0.2 second difference to 60 is literally almost nothing.

The G70 wins with a rolling start. And if you master LC...even adding a brake snip (not even a performance mod)...the S4 is beat every time hands down. I’ve done it over and over.

 

[carguy75]

^ seriously...what in the world are you talking about?!?!

The S4 does NOT “leave it in the dust”. Have you not read a single thing that was said?!?!

The S4 might have a quicker initial bite...but the G70 catches up quickly. And 0.2 second difference to 60 is literally almost nothing.

The G70 wins with a rolling start. And if you master LC...even adding a brake snip (not even a performance mod)...the S4 is beat every time hands down. I’ve done it over and over.

Well, the only race I have seen between the two late models(G70 vs. S4) in the video looks like a compete win for the S4 when both cars was in sport+ modes while using launch control.

I do not know about races that occur on the street that you had, but at a drag strip it looks like a beat down unless you can hopefully nail a perfect launch in the G70. However, the S4 will always have a perfect launch with it aggressive launch control so it would probably win in the best two out three races due to being able to make consistence launches.

Stock for stock; the S4 wins at a track with launch control; but may lose on the street in normal driving without launch control.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Well, the only race I have seen between the two late models(G70 vs. S4) in the video looks like a compete win for the S4 when both cars was in sport+ modes while using launch control.

I do not know about races that occur on the street that you had, but at a drag strip it looks like a beat down unless you can hopefully nail a perfect launch in the G70. However, the S4 will always have a perfect launch with it aggressive launch control so it would probably win in the best two out three races due to being able to make consistence launches.

Stock for stock; the S4 wins at a track with launch control; but may lose on the street in normal driving without launch control.

Understandable based on that being the only video. I applaud him for running these tests but he's not good at starts or finding how to best drive a particular car. He seems to always be the loser of races regardless of car. Lot of the races have owners driving the other car, so they generally know how to get the best out of their car. In addition, he's had owners with tuned cars trick him..

Ultimately, the G70 can do the 1/4 mile in anywhere from 12.5 to 12.9, which is as fast or faster than the S4 in the 1/4 mile. You just need to know how to launch and when to shift - which isn't difficult. A bit of practice.

 

[carguy75]

Understandable based on that being the only video. I applaud him for running these tests but he's not good at starts or finding how to best drive a particular car. He seems to always be the loser of races regardless of car. Lot of the races have owners driving the other car, so they generally know how to get the best out of their car. In addition, he's had owners with tuned cars trick him..

Ultimately, the G70 can do the 1/4 mile in anywhere from 12.5 to 12.9, which is as fast or faster than the S4 in the 1/4 mile. You just need to know how to launch and when to shift - which isn't difficult. A bit of practice.

So it is not the car fault for losing; it is the driver fault.

Hey if it make you feel better; we will go with that explanation why the S4 beat the G70. No biggie for me since I do not own either car to care one way or another. Just stating what I saw on the video.

I like both the S4 and the G70 to be honest.

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[Slip_Angle]

So it is not the car fault for losing; it is the driver fault.

Hey if it make you feel better; we will go with that explanation why the S4 beat the G70. No biggie for me since I do not own either car to care one way or another. Just stating what I saw on the video.

I like both the S4 and the G70 to be honest.

Yep, it's the driver's fault. Being pretentious instead of analytical isn't a redeeming quality. Like I've said before. If a car is faster, all good. The M340i is faster and there is no denying that - call a spade a spade. The video misrepresents and it needs to be called out.

 

[carguy75]

Yep, it's the driver's fault. Being pretentious instead of analytical isn't a redeeming quality. Like I've said before. If a car is faster, all good. The M340i is faster and there is no denying that - call a spade a spade. The video misrepresents and it needs to be called out.

To be honest; the driver of the G70 in the video does seem a bit clueless on how to launch it. So you may be on to something. However, launch control is supposed to make launching a car easy for anyone; so launching with launch control should not be a factor other than one car has a higher rpm at launch(S4); while the other car rpms is set too low to propel the car for a better launch(G70). Can not blame the driver for that flaw.

Plus, the G70 engine is new and not broken in which could also be factor in how it lost to the S4; if the S4 had more miles on the engine and is broken in.

Note: The 0-60 times magazines post include many corrections and data tweaking to account for various times the cars make in different conditions. So those numbers can be higher or lower depending on the region the car is in. I use the numbers as an base line, but realize that my cars may actually be quicker since I use 93 octane in my engines while most of the magazines use only 91 octane in testing.

However, depending on the season the car may be slower than a posted test as well if the temperature is warmer than the time it was tested by the magazine when you test it.

 

[Beefer]

LOL

 

[carguy75]

LOL

Hey, I just saying that apples to apples the S4 wins with a set the launch control and go type of race like in the video. However, give the G70 a great driver who can manually launch the car properly; then the G70 does better or even wins maybe.

I am done with the topic now. I pry my hands from the keyboard.

 

[Roc 5.0]

The Genesis AWD has conservative electronic mapping inorder not to destroy their AWD. Definitely they know their AWD is not as bullet proof as the German's, however, if dragged with RWD instead, would have probably won by a margin.

 

[Roc 5.0]

Also note that the Audi launch control allows revs to 4500+rpm before release vs Genesis 2500 rpm. Great difference as any turbo guy knows. Again showing Genesis trying to protect AWD and limit warranty claims.

 

[canucklehead604]

The G70 also does significantly better at the 5-60 mph number. That should demonstrate how much the S4 relies on its launch control conditions to achieve a strong 0-60, whereas the 5-60 would be much more indicative of real world performance.

^ yup. zee germans have aggressive LC's, and lots of different models of Audi/BMW/MB show large spreads between 0-60 and 5-60 data.

my buddy's Golf R is another example. that thing rockets off the line with its dual-clutch LC (he's has the ECU and tranny tuned). but from a roll it feels very different. it's still quick, but nowhere near as aggressive as with LC.

Genesis did the exact opposite which shows in their data and comparison results, and we know the reasons. i can live with that since i don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time.

of course, a lot of this would be a moot point if more people started driving manuals again! make it a driver's race, not up to computer programming and ECU tunes...save the manuals!

 

[Backslack]

The Genesis AWD has conservative electronic mapping inorder not to destroy their AWD. Definitely they know their AWD is not as bullet proof as the German's, however, if dragged with RWD instead, would have probably won by a margin.

The Genesis AWD is the same as that used by BMW for their RWD-based XDrive models. Both were designed and built by Magna Steyr.

Another reason the Germans get better launch times, particularly with their latest models, is that they're now mild hybrids equipped with a 48 volt battery that allows them to spool up the turbos faster and cut down turbo lag.

 

[YEH]

Also, HMG tends to throttle initial torque to preserve the life of the 8 spd AT transmission (don't want to have to pay for too many warranty claims), which is why wish they kept using the ZF8 or developed a wet DCT for RWD.

 

[OBO]

Again; no surprise that the M340i won. The G70 will lose to a BMW M340i "underrated" engine in stock form every time.

I know the G70 is suppose to "compete" with the M340i on paper, but in the real world not so much in stock form. The G70 is a very nice car, but again not really going to beat a late model M, S, or AMG off the line in stock form.

Ill bet the g70 3.3 T will do very well vs a c43 , E43 and a standard 340i not the m340i .