G70 aftermarket brake pads

[Husky]

The bigger issue is that you need better pads or the vibration will likely come back. Turning or replacing the rotors is only a temporary fix if you put the crappy OEM pads back on (new or used).

 

[HAVRED]

Agreed, wondering if they should know that better than us specially if they know ours G’s suffering these issue from manufacture.
The advisor told me the G70 looks suffering these problems by design but the way she pointed out is not because no proper pads for these rotors but because the brakes in these cars present problems dissipating the heat especially when hard braking.

 

[Husky]

Sounds like a load of BS. Even if true, the problem is that the pads can't take the heat, so you need better ones.

 

[Bhavie]

Today I did my Oil service and I mentioned to the advisor that I have the chance to drive the car long enough in a month like I never drove before being outside Toronto. In total I added more that 3000 kms and coming back to town last weekend I experienced the vibration especially at hard braking and some at the steering wheel when over 120 kms/hrs. I was suspecting tires unbalance but not sure since between winter and summer rotations, the summer rins barely used. My car right now at 28600 kms since I got it January 2019. They told me rotors needs replacement, all four, balance check found no issues. They put the order and let me know when to come back for the change.So, based on comments here in the forum wondering if the pads will require replacement too considering new rotors with used pads will not match as suppose to.

Which dealer did you go to?

I too want to bring up the braking vibration issue but the dealer I've gone to thus far does not seem like they'll be receptive to the issue. I'm willing to switch dealers.

To answer your question, it's the pads that seem to be the issue. So even after getting new rotors the vibration will come back eventually. The best solution is to get new pads since you're getting new rotors to eliminate it all together. If you decide to keep the same pads, just make sure to bed them in properly to avoid the vibration for as long as possible.

 

[HAVRED]

Genesis Markham, btw a nice facility under construction expected to be finish by the end of the year, finally a dealer with our brand logo and personalized service. Definitely I will mention them when time comes for the change, maybe is something they already considered and is planned to be done as well.

 

[Bhavie]

Thanks, I had planned to go there for my last service but ended up going to Genesis Maple since its closer. Nice people but really don't know much about these cars. Can't blame them because the Genesis wing just opened a few months ago.

There was also a sense of them not understanding that certain issues should not be present in a premium vehicle, presumably because they've only dealt with Hyundai till now. I can already see them looking at me odd when I bring up the brake vibration.

The base elantra loaner also didn't help.

Will give Markham a shot. There is also supposed to be a standalone Genesis dealer opening up in Brampton, at 410 and Mayfield, so I'm excited for that. They just broke ground a few months ago.

 

[HAVRED]

NP, give it a try. The advisor was very helpful and showed to know with what we are dealing and since is Genesis service facility they are more involved with specific in ours G"s. Agreed in your statement these are premium cars and maybe is why they just point it out rotors replacement without hesitation .

 

[canucklehead604]

^ guys - order a set of the sport Euro pads, have the rotors resurfaced (turned), then enjoy smooth braking going forward. the problem is the OE ceramic pads on all models except the 6MT trim in Canada. Ceramic pads are great at many applications because they last a long time and have low dust, but certain driving styles/conditions expose their weakness of leaving pad deposits. This happens when they don’t get hot enough with light commutes, etc.

Issues with ceramics pads are not limited to Genesis. Like others have mentioned, they’ve had the same trouble with past vehicles such as Infiniti. The Germans tend to use more semi-metallic pads (which is what the Euro pads are) and do not see the same amount of “warped rotor” issues. Brake dust and shorter service life, yes, but warped rotors no.

I had this exact same vibration under braking issue with my Infiniti G37S. And, like G70 solution, it was remedied by changing to alternate pad friction material. Luckily my G70 came stock with the Euro pads stock since i am 6MT.

side note: the Euro pads are what Car & Driver had to switch to when their Stinger lost braking during the Lightning Lap a few years back. The stock ceramics gave up on them and they went off track. With the Euro pads they had no more overheating brake issue since the Euro semi-metallics can handle much higher heat before fading. This is why the G70 3.3T Dynamic (US only) and 6MT trims got the Euro pads. They are the most “sport oriented” trims of the G70 lineup.

 

[Bhavie]

^ guys - order a set of the sport Euro pads, have the rotors resurfaced (turned), then enjoy smooth braking going forward. the problem is the OE ceramic pads on all models except the 6MT trim in Canada. Ceramic pads are great at many applications because they last a long time and have low dust, but certain driving styles/conditions expose their weakness of leaving pad deposits. This happens when they don’t get hot enough with light commutes, etc.

Issues with ceramics pads are not limited to Genesis. Like others have mentioned, they’ve had the same trouble with past vehicles such as Infiniti. The Germans tend to use more semi-metallic pads (which is what the Euro pads are) and do not see the same amount of “warped rotor” issues. Brake dust and shorter service life, yes, but warped rotors no.

I had this exact same vibration under braking issue with my Infiniti G37S. And, like G70 solution, it was remedied by changing to alternate pad friction material. Luckily my G70 came stock with the Euro pads stock since i am 6MT.

side note: the Euro pads are what Car & Driver had to switch to when their Stinger lost braking during the Lightning Lap a few years back. The stock ceramics gave up on them and they went off track. With the Euro pads they had no more overheating brake issue since the Euro semi-metallics can handle much higher heat before fading. This is why the G70 3.3T Dynamic (US only) and 6MT trims got the Euro pads. They are the most “sport oriented” trims of the G70 lineup.

Interesting. I thought it was the specific ceramic pads used on our cars that were the problem, not ceramic pads in general. That's good to know. Cause my plan was to switch to aftermarket ceramics if the problem came back after turning the rotors. I really like the low-dust life, but I'm definitely willing to compromise on that end to fix the terrible braking vibration and warped rotor feeling.

Do you have a link for the euro pads? I heard they're really expensive. Any other semi metallic pads you can recommend? Rockauto doesn't seem to have many options.

 

[HAVRED]

^ guys - order a set of the sport Euro pads, have the rotors resurfaced (turned), then enjoy smooth braking going forward. the problem is the OE ceramic pads on all models except the 6MT trim in Canada. Ceramic pads are great at many applications because they last a long time and have low dust, but certain driving styles/conditions expose their weakness of leaving pad deposits. This happens when they don’t get hot enough with light commutes, etc.

Issues with ceramics pads are not limited to Genesis. Like others have mentioned, they’ve had the same trouble with past vehicles such as Infiniti. The Germans tend to use more semi-metallic pads (which is what the Euro pads are) and do not see the same amount of “warped rotor” issues. Brake dust and shorter service life, yes, but warped rotors no.

I had this exact same vibration under braking issue with my Infiniti G37S. And, like G70 solution, it was remedied by changing to alternate pad friction material. Luckily my G70 came stock with the Euro pads stock since i am 6MT.

side note: the Euro pads are what Car & Driver had to switch to when their Stinger lost braking during the Lightning Lap a few years back. The stock ceramics gave up on them and they went off track. With the Euro pads they had no more overheating brake issue since the Euro semi-metallics can handle much higher heat before fading. This is why the G70 3.3T Dynamic (US only) and 6MT trims got the Euro pads. They are the most “sport oriented” trims of the G70 lineup.

Thank you so much for that info, well appreciated but since I’m on a lease term with my car I will not expense the cost for the right from my pocket. I hope they come with a solution for the year and a half my lease still to go because definitely I don’t want being driving in a near future thinking the issue will come back eventually. Like said before, paying for a premium car should not put you in a situation not to use the capabilities of the car afraid the known issue will resurface again.

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[BadTrainDriver]

Interesting. I thought it was the specific ceramic pads used on our cars that were the problem, not ceramic pads in general. That's good to know. Cause my plan was to switch to aftermarket ceramics if the problem came back after turning the rotors. I really like the low-dust life, but I'm definitely willing to compromise on that end to fix the terrible braking vibration and warped rotor feeling.

Do you have a link for the euro pads? I heard they're really expensive. Any other semi metallic pads you can recommend? Rockauto doesn't seem to have many options.

G70 aftermarket brake pads

I do...I don't drive much (maybe 30 miles a week....fun driving is on the mc and I work from home), and have had no noise or excessive dust (yet). The G70 is great at everything....except the track. Too high and too much weight....I'm not sure yet if I should just get a semi-trick Miata for...

genesisowners.com

Post # 66 has the part #'s for Euro pads.

 

[canucklehead604]

^^ no, but others have ordered them so it is possible. I also posted a link to a rock auto supplied product that appeared very similar to the Euro pad spec but at a fraction of the price. Coulda been this thread or a similar one in the same forum. Do a search and you should find it. For the price difference I’d be seriously considering it when the time comes to change my pads Since brake parts are wear and tear and not covered under our 5 year free servicing.

the pad i refer to is by Dynamic friction. It is a semi-metallic pad (just like the Euro pad) and even has Brembo stamped on it with an OE part #. This tells me that Dynamic is probably an OE supplier. If a guy can get the same OE pad without the Genesis branded part box that will save a ton. A search of Dynamic’s website shows they have a range of pads that look to be a great option to mimic (or may be the same) as the Euro pads.

More Information for DYNAMIC FRICTION 1311214500

Interesting. I thought it was the specific ceramic pads used on our cars that were the problem, not ceramic pads in general. That's good to know. Cause my plan was to switch to aftermarket ceramics if the problem came back after turning the rotors. I really like the low-dust life, but I'm definitely willing to compromise on that end to fix the terrible braking vibration and warped rotor feeling.

Do you have a link for the euro pads? I heard they're really expensive. Any other semi metallic pads you can recommend? Rockauto doesn't seem to have many options.

 

[Bhavie]

^^ no, but others have ordered them so it is possible. I also posted a link to a rock auto supplied product that appeared very similar to the Euro pad spec but at a fraction of the price. Coulda been this thread or a similar one in the same forum. Do a search and you should find it. For the price difference I’d be seriously considering it when the time comes to change my pads Since brake parts are wear and tear and not covered under our 5 year free servicing.

the pad i refer to is by Dynamic friction. It is a semi-metallic pad (just like the Euro pad) and even has Brembo stamped on it with an OE part #. This tells me that Dynamic is probably an OE supplier. If a guy can get the same OE pad without the Genesis branded part box that will saves a ton. A search of Dynamic’s website shows they have a range of pads that look to be a great option to mimic (or may be the same) the Euro pads.

More Information for DYNAMIC FRICTION 1311214500

I've noticed these pads too, was not sure if they were brembo compatible since they did not say "brembo" in the description like some other pads. The brembo stamping is a dead giveaway though.

I just wish Rockauto also carried the rear pads. This is a very good lead though, will give some other shops a try to see if I can find both front and rear pads. For under $150 CDN I will definitely give these a try and report back.

 

[mrcleeaan]

I've had my centric posi quiet ceramics on for almost two months now and there has been no brake shudder. Of course they don't bite as well as semi metallics but they work fine for what I need.

 

[Bhavie]

Update on this. Dropped my car off this morning regarding the brake vibration problem. The advisor I spoke to knew exactly what I was talking about and told me, before I even gave him the keys, that they would likely swap the rotors out. He said he knows the problem exists, and that Genesis is also aware of the issue, but the only remedy they currently allow is to replace the rotors and not the pads. He knew it was the ceramic pads causing the issue.

He agreed that it's stupid but encouraged me to come back when the problem returns, which he said it will. He said once enough complaints are made they should revisit their policy and start swapping out the pads as well.

I honestly might not be willing to wait that long. I asked him to figure out if he's able to put in a request to replace the pads and to swap them out with the euro pads. He actually said he will give it a shot and let me know, and if not he can just order the pads for me and I can do it myself if I please.

Really impressed with this dealer so far, this was my first visit. For those interested, its DVP Hyundai/Markham Genesis.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ let us know what the dealer quotes you for the euro pads F/R if you decide to go that route. fingers crossed they'll cover the swap to euro pads, or at least partially cover it, since that will resolve the issues you are having.

 

[Husky]

Update on this. Dropped my car off this morning regarding the brake vibration problem. The advisor I spoke to knew exactly what I was talking about and told me, before I even gave him the keys, that they would likely swap the rotors out. He said he knows the problem exists, and that Genesis is also aware of the issue, but the only remedy they currently allow is to replace the rotors and not the pads. He knew it was the ceramic pads causing the issue.

He agreed that it's stupid but encouraged me to come back when the problem returns, which he said it will. He said once enough complaints are made they should revisit their policy and start swapping out the pads as well.

I honestly might not be willing to wait that long. I asked him to figure out if he's able to put in a request to replace the pads and to swap them out with the euro pads. He actually said he will give it a shot and let me know, and if not he can just order the pads for me and I can do it myself if I please.

Really impressed with this dealer so far, this was my first visit. For those interested, its DVP Hyundai/Markham Genesis.

Good luck and let us know. Genesis is being so stupid about this, wasting customer's time and their own money replacing rotors when they know the problem will return.
I had to show my dealer the price on a discounted Hyundai parts website before they would give me a better price for the Euro pads.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ what were the parts costs for those euro pads? sorry of i missed it in an earlier post.

 

[Bhavie]

So no luck with the euro pads. He said he couldn't find a part number for the pads but I'm sure there was some mistake because how would they replace the pads on the manual g70 when it's time for it.

I didn't really press him. It was past closing and he was busy with quite a few other customers as well.

He did give me his card so I may shoot him an email asking if he can look again. On the plus side, brakes are buttery smooth and he also went and reset the adaptives as per my request so the car drives like new, just sucks that it's all temporary.

Super cool guy though, we chatted a bit and he mentioned looking around online for aftermarket pads. He said there's probably a forum I can go through for advice on what pads are good replacements for the OEM ones. Oh if only he knew...

 

[Husky]

The part numbers for the Euro pads are given in numerous threads here on braking issues, I don't recall the numbers. The discounted price I paid was about $400 (in the US).
I was none too happy to have to shell out that much money to fix my new car, but it was a relief to be done with brake vibration issues and trips to the dealer. There are now some cheaper aftermarket options (check Todd's posts).