Trying to decide 3.8 0r 4.6?

[Aquineas]

Actually, I am not going to buy a Genesis until the 2011 models come out. I would really like a Front Wheel or All Wheel Drive model. Has anyone heard if Genesis may have a FWD or AWD model?

That would be more important for me than the choice of a V6 or V8?

They definitely won't be doing a FWD model.

 

[Aquineas]

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The V6 gets about 2 MPG better gas mileage on the highway. That may not sound like much, but if everyone in the US drove the a car that got 2 MPG better mileage, it would affect global oil prices, shift power away from OPEC, and would save US lives. One can rationalize that one person cannot make a difference, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. If it's a toss-up, then this might be the deciding factor for you (it was for me).

A dog has the same ecological imprint of a hummer. Wonder what would happen if everyone ditched their dogs?


Back-on-topic. Drive 'em both, and get the car that you enjoy the most. Gas mileage can be a big deal, especially with the summer gas-hike coming.

 

[Mark_888]

A dog has the same ecological imprint of a hummer. Wonder what would happen if everyone ditched their dogs?

Says who?

I think you are confusing the issue. I am not suggesting that one ditch their Hummer (or their dog), but there are alternatives that will do the same thing with less oil. Also, I am not raising the "eco" or "global warming" issues, only the price of oil and the economic, political, and military consequences of the largest transfer of wealth in history from the West to the those in the Middle East.

And I am not even saying that one should drive a hybrid or 4 cylinder. It was just for me, that there was little difference in performance between the V6 and V8, and choosing the V6 was a very small sacrifice to make (if a sacrifice at all). I don't mean to tell others would to do, as each person has to make these decisions for themselves, but it was a consideration for me.

 

[flyboy2]

Actually, I am not going to buy a Genesis until the 2011 models come out. I would really like a Front Wheel or All Wheel Drive model. Has anyone heard if Genesis may have a FWD or AWD model in 2011?

That would be more important for me than the choice of a V6 or V8?

When they say they are waiting for the 2011 models it really means they don't have any money--

 

[Sayantsi]

Actually, I am not going to buy a Genesis until the 2011 models come out. I would really like a Front Wheel or All Wheel Drive model. Has anyone heard if Genesis may have a FWD or AWD model in 2011?

That would be more important for me than the choice of a V6 or V8?

If you want a FWD midsize sedan from Hyundai, you want an Azera.

 

[Dimitry]

When they say they are waiting for the 2011 models it really means they don't have any money--

I doubt the Genesis will have an AWD platform next gen... maybe 3rd gen

 

[DavidNJ]

When they say they are waiting for the 2011 models it really means they don't have any money--

No...it means there is a probable engine, transmission, and electronics upgrades. And, with the Equus also in the US, some other features left out of the US model may find there way over (since they have to do the training and stock the parts anyway).

If it is released early (May-July), the initial residual will be a little higher. That is because depreciation is primarily dependent on model year.

On a purchase, the small styling differences will distinguish it as the post mid-life update version, indistinguishable visibly from a 2012, 2013, and probably 2014. That should help resale. This is the case with most, but not all mid-life updates. Some are so small as to go unnoticed, and others actually make the car uglier.

For me, it is the drivetrain. However, I do agree with the posters who like AWD. It does make it seem surefooted in low traction conditions including rain. The Genesis and Jaguars are the only luxury models not offering it.

However, the poster who wanted FWD is wrong. FWD is limited to around 200hp to manage torque steer. The turbo Sonata will probably show some signs of torque steer. Virtually all FWD cars with over 200hp have the ECMs programmed to hold torque below some thresholds closer to 200hp. So, for practical purposes they are only 200hp cars.

For a luxury sedan weighting over 3800#, FWD is not practical. The Azeras don't exactly run off the showroom floors and the dealers don't have lines for Avalons or Maximas either.

 

[Cut-Throat]

When they say they are waiting for the 2011 models it really means they don't have any money--

Well, That's not true at all. I currently drive a 07 Lexus GS350 and my wife drives a 2003 Lexus ES300. We buy a car every 4 years. That's the plan we are on. It's a discipline thing. Oh, I pay cash for my cars and I have never leased one in my life. I could easily write a check for a Ferrari, if I wanted one. I retired at age 50, 8 years ago.

If the Genesis won't have FWD or AWD, I'll still buy it. But, living in Minneapolis winter driving is a factor. My 99 GS300 was RWD and it was a real sled in the winter.

 

[Aquineas]

Says who?

I think you are confusing the issue. I am not suggesting that one ditch their Hummer (or their dog), but there are alternatives that will do the same thing with less oil. Also, I am not raising the "eco" or "global warming" issues, only the price of oil and the economic, political, and military consequences of the largest transfer of wealth in history from the West to the those in the Middle East.

And I am not even saying that one should drive a hybrid or 4 cylinder. It was just for me, that there was little difference in performance between the V6 and V8, and choosing the V6 was a very small sacrifice to make (if a sacrifice at all). I don't mean to tell others would to do, as each person has to make these decisions for themselves, but it was a consideration for me.

You're preaching, and that's exactly how it comes off. Enjoy your car. I'll enjoy mine.

 

[kjt55]

We just bought a V8 with the Tech pack. For us the deciding factor was the smoothness of the ride more than the power. Both cars are nice however! My wife had some issues with the lesser fuel economy, but she got over it.

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[Cut-Throat]

We just bought a V8 with the Tech pack. For us the deciding factor was the smoothness of the ride more than the power. Both cars are nice however! My wife had some issues with the lesser fuel economy, but she got over it.

So you thought that the V8 rode smoother than the V6?

 

[kjt55]

So you thought that the V8 rode smoother than the V6?

Yes, we did. They were both nice, but we felt the V8 was hands down smoother (ride and transmission). The power was not an issue as both had plenty.

 

[Mark_888]

You're preaching, and that's exactly how it comes off. Enjoy your car. I'll enjoy mine.

No sir. I am just explaining how I decided. Everyone has to decide these matters for themselves, and I have no desire to preach to anyone. But if someone is on the fence and is having a hard time deciding between the V6 and V8, I thought these things might be relevant.

Although I am not preaching to those who have already purchased, or those who definitely want a V8 for whatever reason (which is none of my business), that does not mean I will let bogus/irrelevant claims slip by (such the claim about the dog versus a Hummer).

 

[Mark_888]

So you thought that the V8 rode smoother than the V6?

A simple test drive of each should reveal whether there is a difference, and how much of a difference there is. Make sure both cars are warmed up, or both are cold, before you test them.

 

[Sayantsi]

This is the first time I've ever seen someone say the V8 is smoother. Interesting observation, but not one I experienced - I think both engines are great and the NVH engineering on the car is great.

 

[Cut-Throat]

For a luxury sedan weighting over 3800#, FWD is not practical. The Azeras don't exactly run off the showroom floors and the dealers don't have lines for Avalons or Maximas either.

This is interesting. Could you expand on why FWD is not practical on vehicles over #3800?

I looked at the Azera, and they were not finished as nice as the Sonata. The Dealership that I went to said that they could not even get any 2010 Azeras. They did not want to tell me that they were discontinued, but it almost seemed that way to me.

 

[nearwater]

A simple test drive of each should reveal whether there is a difference, and how much of a difference there is. Make sure both cars are warmed up, or both are cold, before you test them.

Good advice.
I test drove a V6 first and then the V8. Not sure if the V6 was warmed up prior to the test drive or not, but I know the V8 wasn't as I unlocked the car that was sitting in the dealer's back yard, cold.

My initial impression was that the V8 had a noticeable vibration upon cold start, while the V6 was dead quiet.
Once the V8 warmed up though, it was smooth as butter.

As we know, the V6 has been proven to be reliable on different platforms while the V8 tau is new and could be more quirky.

I still love my V8 and have no regrets whatsoever.
IMO, the V8 shines on the highway.

Dan

 

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IMO, the V8 shines on the highway.

Dan

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[TuborgP]

This is the first time I've ever seen someone say the V8 is smoother. Interesting observation, but not one I experienced - I think both engines are great and the NVH engineering on the car is great.

I think the difference might be that the V8 uses less effort to go from stop to 53 mph at less than 1500 rpm's. It is hard to not drive at least 50-55. So I guess depending on the roads you drive on. I do a mostly highway at 65-70 and rural at 45 or 55 mph. The V8 seem right at home. If I had to do urban at 25 or 35 it might be a different feel. I also have a 300 with a Hemi V8 and my Genesis is much smoother. The 375/368 horsepower doesn't work as hard.

 

[Sayantsi]

Sure, but I just want to point out that the V6 has more mechanical advantage, so it doesn't have to work as hard.