Why do people compare the 3.3t G70 to the BMW 330i if it isn’t close?

[V1s1on1]

Why do people compare the 330i to the G70 V6 if the BMW 330i performs below a Kia K5 formerly the optima. As someone that just traded in a 4 series 2019 gran coupe for a 2022 G70 3.3t I think there’s quite the three card Monty going on here. Supported by BMW brand enthusiast. The 330i comes in at $50k to $55k



I’m genuinely confused because they would never compare them if this was reversed and the BMW had a V6. Unless the real comparison is the BMW 340 which is $60k to $65k. Between the inflated prices and the vast engine spec differences I don’t get how these cars are compared. Either you compare a 40k to $50k G70 V6 to a $65k BMW 340. Which makes no sense to compare one payment is $840 the other is $540 a month.


or you compare it to a 330i that performs below a KIA K5 Optima. And it’s still $50 to $55k. For this all to work the BMW 340 would need to be priced around where the 330i is priced. All of this makes so little sense.


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The 2021 Kia K5 GT Out-Performs the BMW 330i. Here's How the Data Proves It

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TEST DRIVE: 2022 Genesis G70 -- Could it Take Down the 3 Series?

TEST DRIVE: 2022 Genesis G70 -- Could it Take Down the 3 Series?

After driving the updated 2022 Genesis G70 3.3T, its combination of fun, driving dynamics, and comfort could make it the best in its class.

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[csu87]

similar market segment. the 3.3 is in the luxury performance oriented sedan segment, much like the 340 is. its the car that Genesis made the G70 to take down. The BMW 340, Audi S4, Mercedes AMG C43

Also, your bmwblog article is comparing it to the 340, which is the car the 3.3 usually gets compared to. The 2.0 is the version that gets compared to the 330

 

[canucklehead604]

i've seen the 330i compared to the G70 3.3T...because they align more or less on MSRP and they're in the same segment. not everyone cares about the power advantage, and there are some things the 330i does very well to counter the power disadvantage. that said, IIRC the G70 would always win when those models go head to head in a comparo.

the 340i usually beats the G70 3.3T in comparos even if it costs $10-$15k more.

the G70 2.0T doesn't do as well against the 330i, even if it costs less.

at a certain point cost doesn't become the driver for decision making for these comparisons. even if it does in the real world...or not. people want what they want.

 

[Kram]

You are correct - the G70 3.3T is designed to compete with the 340i, not the 330i. And yes the 340i is quite a bit more expensive than the G70 3.3T - which is what makes the G70 clearly the best value in the segment.

 

[V1s1on1]

Like I said I’m a former long time BMW owner. But this comparison would only make sense if the 340 was $55k and at highest $60k. Comparing a $60-65k 340 to a 42k to 50k G70 isn’t much different than comparing the 3.3t G70 to the 330i. I believe the G70, stinger and Optima have exposed the sham of the segment as over the last 15 years BMW pushed the segment prices past $50k for a 255hp 4 cylinder car.

 

[csu87]

Like I said I’m a former long time BMW owner. But this comparison would only make sense if the 340 was $55k and at highest $60k. Comparing a $60-65k 340 to a 42k to 50k G70 isn’t much different than comparing the 3.3t G70 to the 330i. I believe the G70, stinger and Optima have exposed the sham of the segment as over the last 15 years BMW pushed the segment prices past $50k for a 255hp 4 cylinder car.

Like i said, Genesis built the 3.3 to go after the 340. This is evident by the performance of the car coupled with the MSRP of the car. Genesis's goal is to provide a similar car to the Germans at a cheaper price, which is why it is marketed against the German's cars that are 10k+ more. Thats why the 2.0 is ~10k cheaper than the 330 and the 3.3 is ~10k cheaper than the 340. If they were the same price, Genesis would stand no chance.

 

[V1s1on1]

Like i said, Genesis built the 3.3 to go after the 340. This is evident by the performance of the car coupled with the MSRP of the car. Genesis's goal is to provide a similar car to the Germans at a cheaper price, which is why it is marketed against the German's cars that are 10k+ more. Thats why the 2.0 is ~10k cheaper than the 330 and the 3.3 is ~10k cheaper than the 340. If they were the same price, Genesis would stand no chance.

Yeah $10k is nearly a 1/4 of the G70 car price. You’re framing it like $10k against $100k. This isn’t just going after a 340 it’s shattering a market and making much needed market chaos. If these were $100k cars then it would make more since the way you’re framing $10k and speaking as if it makes sense.

 

[Bhavie]

OP asked for opinions.

Forum provided opinions.

OP does not like provided opinions.

I remember seeing this thread and preparing a reply. Then I saw who started it and thought better of it. Glad I did.

 

[MA9484]

For people like me I guess.

I had a budget of $50K, so I wanted to see someone comparing models I can actually buy.

Want a Genesis? Here's what you can get.

Want a BMW? Here's what you can get.

Lets see how they compare.

Not entirely sure what the confusion is here?

 

[csu87]

Yeah $10k is nearly a 1/4 of the G70 car price. You’re framing it like $10k against $100k. This isn’t just going after a 340 it’s shattering a market and making much needed market chaos. If these were $100k cars then it would make more since the way you’re framing $10k and speaking as if it makes sense.

theres people that can afford at most XX amount (lets say $50k for this example) and so they pick the best car for that money, and compare a base 3 series vs a g70. While the genesis fits that bill, that isnt what genesis was after.

The way to break in to the market and create a name for yourself is to get the people that can afford more car, for example, a $65k 340i, but choose the $55k 3.3 G70. That is a more sustainable business model, as you are marketing to all 3 series buyers, and not just the ones who can only afford the base model.

The dollar amount of the compared cars is irrelevant. They are still the same class of car. The dollar amount difference is only relevant in comparing the value of the 2 cars, not in determining what class they are in.

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[V1s1on1]

theres people that can afford at most XX amount (lets say $50k for this example) and so they pick the best car for that money, and compare a base 3 series vs a g70. While the genesis fits that bill, that isnt what genesis was after.

The way to break in to the market and create a name for yourself is to get the people that can afford more car, for example, a $65k 340i, but choose the $55k 3.3 G70. That is a more sustainable business model, as you are marketing to all 3 series buyers, and not just the ones who can only afford the base model.

The dollar amount of the compared cars is irrelevant. They are still the same class of car. The dollar amount difference is only relevant in comparing the value of the 2 cars, not in determining what class they are in.

Thanks that makes your thinking clearer

 

[j2g]

I typically hear it compared to 340i for performance. I think its around the same price as a 330 though, with a bunch more features.

 

[V1s1on1]

Great explainer comparing a G70 and a 440 after 4K km of driving.