2015 Genesis 5.0 RWD subframe removal

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I finished installing the sub-frame. It was pain in the backside to align, but the motorcycle jack dollies worked to get it done. I torqued the sub-frame bolts down to 102 ft/lbs and now I can check the sub-frame off the list. Next will be the suspension and other components that I had to remove to access the sub-frame.

The sub-frame on the dollies; barely made it under the car.

The dollies supporting the sub-frame (and one supporting the engine since I had to remove the jack supports)while I bolt it down.

The sub-frame installed. The hard part of the job is done. Time for the next step in putting my Genesis back together.

Very close now... !

 

[carguy75]

Very close now... !

Yes, the hardest(and most dangerous) part of the project is over.

Next, is just trying put all the other smaller components like support brackets,body trim and control arms back on the chassis. It is a puzzle for sure.

Note: For anyone lifting(or supporting) the engine from the bottom; only use the steel lower oil pan with a block of wood. The motor mount side brackets are also a good place to use supports(high lift jack stands) if the sub-frame has to be removed like my in situation.

Never use the cast aluminum upper oil pan itself as a place to lift or support the engine!!!!!

 

[carguy75]

Just an observation: I have to admit that Hyundai did use some high quality suspension parts on the 2015 Genesis. I just figured out how to reinstall the control arms. They is very complicated, but are very beefy.

The rubber grease boots are well made as well. 90k miles and no tears or leaks. I have never heard of the brand name Mobis that makes the control arms, but they seem to be a very good suspension company. Hyundai did not cut corners on the 2015 Genesis chassis or drive-train. Damn well made car.

Control arms installed. I would take pictures or have a service manual ready to make sure you can put these back together properly. The control arms are tricky to remove and install. I had to use a couple jacks to help hold up the knuckles while trying to line up the control arms to the mounting holes in the knuckles.

 

[joegr]

It looks like Mobis is a Hyundai company.

 

[carguy75]

It looks like Mobis is a Hyundai company.

I believe Mobis is a just a part supplier for Hyundai and other automakers(including Mercedes) based off Mobis website and video.
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[joegr]

I believe Mobis is a just a part supplier for Hyundai and other automakers(including Mercedes) based off Mobis website and video.
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Well, I certainly don't really know, and it's only a curiosity to me. All the financial statements that I can find for Mobis lead back to Hyundai and none to those other companies.

 

[carguy75]

Well, I certainly don't really know, and it's only a curiosity to me. All the financial statements that I can find for Mobis lead back to Hyundai and none to those other companies.

Where did you find the financial statements for the company?

According to Morbis customer portfolio the company supply parts to many other automakers. However, it is possible that Hyundai does own the company or have a large enough percentage of stock shares to be a part owner.

 

[joegr]

www.mobis.co.kr/en
Hover over investor relations, then summary financial statements. Note that the logo changes to Hyundai Mobis

Anyway, I don't see anything that really proves it one way or the other, but it does imply some to me.

 

[carguy75]

www.mobis.co.kr/en
Hover over investor relations, then summary financial statements. Note that the logo changes to Hyundai Mobis

Anyway, I don't see anything that really proves it one way or the other, but it does imply some to me.

The web link is broken, however either way the Mobis suspension is top shelf in the Genesis it seems; regardless of who own the company.

Hyundai really out did themselves with the 2015 Genesis and later G80 models with the Mobis sourced suspension. Well done.

 

[carguy75]

I replaced the steering rack today. I used a wide based jack to help lift and support it while I bolted it back on the sub-frame.

Not many heavy or large components remaining to install on the Genesis. I believe the front sway is the last large part to install.

The steering rack installed with the wide base jack.

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[carguy75]

The sub-frame and suspension parts are all bolted back on. Now I just have to finish up with the engine oil cooler,AC compressor, alternator, valve covers, etc and the Genesis should be road ready.

I was going to carbon clean my valves and swap out the VVT solenoids, But I may just trade in the Genesis after this repair for a newer model car with less miles; so need for the extra work. I may go with a Tesla Model 3 performance or Lexus ES F-sport, but I am leaning more to the Tesla since the hospital I work at have a lot of free unused electric car chargers at night that I can use. However, the current used car prices(better, but as good as I like) and high loan rates may have me driving the Genesis for a couple more years before I let it go.

The sub-frame and suspension is done.

 

[skipgen]

The sub-frame and suspension parts are all bolted back on. Now I just have to finish up with the engine oil cooler,AC compressor, alternator, valve covers, etc and the Genesis should be road ready.

I was going to carbon clean my valves and swap out the VVT solenoids, But I may just trade in the Genesis after this repair for a newer model car with less miles; so need for the extra work. I may go with a Tesla Model 3 performance or Lexus ES F-sport, but I am leaning more to the Tesla since the hospital I work at have a lot of free unused electric car chargers at night that I can use. However, the current used car prices(better, but as good as I like) and high loan rates may have me driving the Genesis for a couple more years before I let it go.

The sub-frame and suspension is done.

Might as well drive it for a while - You certainly have "sweat equity" in it now!

 

[carguy75]

Might as well drive it for a while - You certainly have "sweat equity" in it now!

True, but I barely "sweated" on this repair since I have been dragging my feet on this until the used car market is better for a trade up.

I like the Genesis, but I am looking for a 2020 or newer model as my main ride. Plus, Genesis seem to have part supply issues with the 5.0 engine and its transmission. So, I may keep the Genesis for a couple more years maybe and then let it go.

 

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True, but I barely "sweated" on this repair since I have been dragging my feet on this until the used car market is better for a trade up.

I like the Genesis, but I am looking for a 2020 or newer model as my main ride. Plus, Genesis seem to have part supply issues with the 5.0 engine and its transmission. So, I may keep the Genesis for a couple more years maybe and then let it go.

Yeah - the 5.0 is getting to be a unicorn of sorts for sure. If I were to get into another one, I'd go for the Sport 3.3T. I'm rather nonplussed at the current state of the dealers here in Houston, though. There's several here and none of them shouldn't even be selling Hyundai's, much less a Genesis....

Was thinking about something a bit smaller - like a G70 (but Genesis dealers) or jumping ship to an Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti, which is a brilliant driving little car! Fortunately, the 2.0 cars don't seem to suffer the rampant reliability problems of the QF's (which are out of my $ range anyway).

 

[carguy75]

Yeah - the 5.0 is getting to be a unicorn of sorts for sure. If I were to get into another one, I'd go for the Sport 3.3T. I'm rather nonplussed at the current state of the dealers here in Houston, though. There's several here and none of them shouldn't even be selling Hyundai's, much less a Genesis....

Was thinking about something a bit smaller - like a G70 (but Genesis dealers) or jumping ship to an Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti, which is a brilliant driving little car! Fortunately, the 2.0 cars don't seem to suffer the rampant reliability problems of the QF's (which are out of my $ range anyway).

If the 5.0 engine and transmission had more aftermarket part(and repair shop) support then it would be a perfect car to keep long term with higher mileage. As it stands now, it seem to be a dealer only car when it come to major repairs. No small import repair shop in my area even wanted to do the timing cover repair on it when I called them and told them what car it was. A couple well known import shops in my area stated the 2015+ Genesis/G80 will need a special scan tool in which they do not have and that they only work on Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan, etc; but not Hyundai. Hence why I got stuck doing this major repair myself or paying a Hyundai service department $5000. Not a good sign for long term ownership.

I also like the Alfa Romeo Giulai. Not a perfect car in terms of long term reliability, but neither is the Genesis to be honest.

I just want a newer car with lower mileage that has good aftermarket part support and decent reliability. I may actualy get a newer 2020 or newer Hyundai Sonata N sport with the 100k mile warranty. Not sure yet.

 

[carguy75]

Well, i am starting to see some aftermarket and some new OEM parts(water pump, used transmission/engines,etc) for the 5.0 engine being available online(Ebay) for very reasonable prices.

This is a game changer for me which may convenience me to just keep the 2015 Genesis a while longer since it looks like I can find common failure parts(water pumps, thermostat, sensors) for it now without paying OEM BMW-like prices to get them only from Hyundai.

The Genesis is actually a very DIY repair friendly car to own aside from the high-end scan tool needed for module programming and finding certain parts without paying too much or/and waiting too long to get them.

However, it seems like some aftermarket vendors are starting to make some common repair parts the 5.0 engine which is good.

 

[skipgen]

If the 5.0 engine and transmission had more aftermarket part(and repair shop) support then it would be a perfect car to keep long term with higher mileage. As it stands now, it seem to be a dealer only car when it come to major repairs. No small import repair shop in my area even wanted to do the timing cover repair on it when I called them and told them what car it was. A couple well known import shops in my area stated the 2015+ Genesis/G80 will need a special scan tool in which they do not have and that they only work on Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Nissan, etc; but not Hyundai. Hence why I got stuck doing this major repair myself or paying a Hyundai service department $5000. Not a good sign for long term ownership.

I also like the Alfa Romeo Giulai. Not a perfect car in terms of long term reliability, but neither is the Genesis to be honest.

I just want a newer car with lower mileage that has good aftermarket part support and decent reliability. I may actualy get a newer 2020 or newer Hyundai Sonata N sport with the 100k mile warranty. Not sure yet.

Thought about a Sonata N myself.... Haven't been hearing good things about the DCT in Hyundai's but if you have the 100k warranty, who cares...? The thing that would irritate me about that car is that with no LSD, I'd be doing one wheel peals all the time... They have notable torque steer as well. Just why they didn't include a limited slip in a nearly 300hp front drive car is beyond me.

Our 2021 Hyundai Sonata N Line Disappoints after 40,000 Miles

The sportiest Sonata packs a 290-hp kick, but its recalcitrant transmission and traction issues make it feel half-baked.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[5.0KDM]

The thing that would irritate me about that car is that with no LSD, I'd be doing one wheel peals all the time... They have notable torque steer as well. Just why they didn't include a limited slip in a nearly 300hp front drive car is beyond me.

That's such a shame smh! I hope they are saving it for a actual Sonata N. I mean they did dump the torsion bar in the Elantra N for independent suspension.

 

[carguy75]

Thought about a Sonata N myself.... Haven't been hearing good things about the DCT in Hyundai's but if you have the 100k warranty, who cares...? The thing that would irritate me about that car is that with no LSD, I'd be doing one wheel peals all the time... They have notable torque steer as well. Just why they didn't include a limited slip in a nearly 300hp front drive car is beyond me.

Our 2021 Hyundai Sonata N Line Disappoints after 40,000 Miles

The sportiest Sonata packs a 290-hp kick, but its recalcitrant transmission and traction issues make it feel half-baked.

www.caranddriver.com

I would try install a firmer UR racing strut tower brace to help with the front traction issue. I installed the UR racing strut tower brace on my old 2014 KIA Optima SXL and it improved the front wheel traction.

I just want a quick(sub 6 second 0-60mph) car now that can easily merge and pass in traffic with a nice interior; it does not have to be the best handling or be track worthy. The Hyundai Sonata N may fit the bill with proper tires and a couple of suspension upgrades.

 

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I would try install a firmer UR racing strut tower brace to help with the front traction issue. I installed the UR racing strut tower brace on my old 2014 KIA Optima SXL and it improved the front wheel traction.

I just want a quick(sub 6 second 0-60mph) car now that can easily merge and pass in traffic with a nice interior; it does not have to be the best handling or be track worthy. The Hyundai Sonata N may fit the bill with proper tires and a couple of suspension upgrades.