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Real Winter range of GV60 Sport Plus

I would trade 50% slower maximum charging speed for 50% more range any day of the week. Real world charging times would be nowhere close to double given that we don't achieve max charging speed anywhere close to 100% of the time.
 
I'm seeing 2.2 to 2.3 miles/kWh. The iPace has an 84kWh battery and is not affected much by cold weather, even without re-heating. I'm not a slow driver, but I'm also not driving like I stole the car. I drive the same as I did in the iPace and at 220 miles for almost every trip style in the iPace, I would have expected at least this kind of mileage in the GV60 given everyone's experience of what they're seeing. I'm not sure why I'm only seeing 2.2 to 2.3 miles/kWh, and hence 170 to 180 miles of range in cooler conditions.
Where are you located? Very cold weather is a killer on battery life. I drive mine like I stole it and my lifetime average is 2.9. My car is garaged until used.
 
I would trade 50% slower maximum charging speed for 50% more range any day of the week. Real world charging times would be nowhere close to double given that we don't achieve max charging speed anywhere close to 100% of the time.
Not a realistic tradeoff. Charging speed is a function of design, not size and weight. 50% more range would mean a much larger and heavier battery pack.
 
I'm in SW Scotland, so not exactly Baltic conditions. As the temperature rises, to around 10 deg, I now see 2.6miles/kWh, but that's only as good as the iPace ever reached, which wasn't good. I had expected more from the GV60 given the glowing reviews I got from other owners before I bought one.
 
I'm in SW Scotland, so not exactly Baltic conditions. As the temperature rises, to around 10 deg, I now see 2.6miles/kWh, but that's only as good as the iPace ever reached, which wasn't good. I had expected more from the GV60 given the glowing reviews I got from other owners before I bought one.
You spent all that money on a beautiful car and the only thing you’re concerned about is a few cents in operating costs here and there???

Wow.
 
I'm in SW Scotland, so not exactly Baltic conditions. As the temperature rises, to around 10 deg, I now see 2.6miles/kWh, but that's only as good as the iPace ever reached, which wasn't good. I had expected more from the GV60 given the glowing reviews I got from other owners before I bought one.
I chose the GV60P because it met my requirements: small size, powerful, luxurious. Not many do. But I did so knowing full well that the range is less than many competitors. To me, that was a fair trade off. My car is garaged and I charge every night to 80%. Over the course of the year I have driven all over the Valley and never got close to running out of range and I drive it like I stole it without concern for range. My plan is that if I am planning a long trip, I can use my car if they ever get the highway fast charge stations installed or just rent a vehicle for the trip. I recently did an out of state trip to Las Vegas area and I had planned to rent a car but my GV60P was in for service and they gave me a GV80 as a loaner so I took that one. Unlike my GV60P, it was large enough to fit my daughter and her family, Not buying gas for a year it was a shocker to start filling up a mid sized SUV gas tank.

I am sorry to say this but you may have selected the wrong car if range is your big concern. My lifetime average is 2.9 after one year of ownership and I am fine with that.

The nice thing now about EVs is that there are choices. It used to be the choice was a Tesla, a BMW I3 or a Nissan Leaf (ugh). Now you get Mach-e, Ionic 5 and 6, Kia EV, Porsche Taycan and, soon, Macan, BMW i4, i5 and i7, Mercedes EQ series, etc. As the saying goes "different strokes for different folks". One should determine which features are important to the individual and then make the selection based on that.

Before I got the Genesis GV60P I was on the waiting list for a Lucid Air. The Lucid has a much bigger range than the GV60. I had reserved one for the performance, not the range but when the Genesis popped up in my market (we were one of the first 8 states) I grabbed it. A Lucid Air Pure would get you the bigger range.
 
4.1miles/kWh, summer/winter average over 15'000miles, winter with winter tyres, ECO, LV3, hilly, 20% highway.
 
4.1miles/kWh, summer/winter average over 15'000miles, winter with winter tyres, ECO, LV3, hilly, 20% highway.
I have no idea how you can get efficiency like that but well done!
 
I'm in SW Scotland, so not exactly Baltic conditions. As the temperature rises, to around 10 deg, I now see 2.6miles/kWh, but that's only as good as the iPace ever reached, which wasn't good. I had expected more from the GV60 given the glowing reviews I got from other owners before I bought one.
I don't think you've got much to complain about. The GV60 is rated for "up to" ~230 miles of range. That would be under ideal conditions: 20C (requiring no heat or cooling), and driving at a constant 45 mph or so. Take that same car, drop it into 5-10C temperatures at 60/65 mph, add a few acceleration/deceleration cycles, and you drop to the 200 miles you're seeing now.

There are many, many posts on this forum of people expressing worry or disappointment in their range, but the truth is that the differences between rated and actual mileage for most of the ICE vehicles we all used to drive were essentially the same - we just paid no attention to it. If most of us focused on ICE mileage the way we do EVs, we would see much of the same.

The additional energy consumption required to combat wind resistance at high speeds and use of air conditioning is no different between EVs and ICE cars, though cold temperatures have a much more significant impact on EVs because heat is free in ICEs.

The other substantial difference between the two is the speed at which maximum efficiency is achieved. Because ICEs are horrendously inefficient at slow speeds/stop-and-go traffic, they are maximally efficient closer to posted highway speeds, while EVs would prefer to cruise down some boulevard at 35 or 40 mph.
 
4.1miles/kWh, summer/winter average over 15'000miles, winter with winter tyres, ECO, LV3, hilly, 20% highway.

I have no idea how you can get efficiency like that but well done!

I see two significant clues: "Eco" and "20% highway". Eco kills engine power under acceleration, substantially limiting heat-related waste, and EVs shine while driving at in-city speeds. Moving to a lower regen level would increase efficiency (on paper) - though I'm not sure whether it would be enough to notice
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I see two significant clues: "Eco" and "20% highway". Eco kills engine power under acceleration, substantially limiting heat-related waste, and EVs shine while driving at in-city speeds. Moving to a lower regen level would increase efficiency (on paper) - though I'm not sure whether it would be enough to notice
I have a Rear Wheel Drive, always in Eco and climate always at lowest Auto setting and over 4000 miles it’s showing 3.6 miles/kwh.
 
I've owned over 12 EVs and run training courses on EV charging and Ev selection for all kinds of businesses. I'm just a bit surprised that the GV60 doesn't get close to 3miles/kWh in cooler conditions, given it's far more aerodynamic and efficient than my last EV, which was an iPace. The iPace did 220 miles in the summer and 200 in the winter and most GV60 owners are seeing well over 200 miles even at this time of year. I'm a little disappointed with the range, but love the rest of the car, and the charging speeds of course. The Macan EV is next on my radar.
 
Not a realistic tradeoff. Charging speed is a function of design, not size and weight. 50% more range would mean a much larger and heavier battery pack.
I don't disagree. But I would take the larger battery pack (even with the extra cost and weight) and give up the charging speed every time. But my point was in the case of the GV60 (and sister cars) in real life you don't save THAT much time versus a car rated with half the charging speed. First of all you need to find a dispenser capable of that speed, and even if you do and if the battery is properly preconditioned and if the charging station is working properly you don't see 200+kw speeds for that long. Having that speed capability is unquestionably a plus, but it's just not the panacea that some here would like us to believe. In addition to the GV60 we also own a Model Y and like them both for different reasons. No question the GV60 is the nicer drive (and it better be for the price premium), but if we are going to need to charge away from home, we will nearly always take the Y. In the overall scheme of things, sure the ability to charge a few minutes faster is an advantage, but in real life it's no where near the top of the list. If we were to take the GV60 on the same trip we could easily waste far more time driving to a CCS station that's working or waiting in line at the CCS station or several minutes just trying to get the CCS charging session started. It's just so utterly painless to use a Supercharger with the Y. Not here to trash the GV60, but if someone regularly needs Level 3 charging away from home, that's the one aspect where the Y has it all over the GV60.
 
I've owned over 12 EVs and run training courses on EV charging and Ev selection for all kinds of businesses. I'm just a bit surprised that the GV60 doesn't get close to 3miles/kWh in cooler conditions, given it's far more aerodynamic and efficient than my last EV, which was an iPace. The iPace did 220 miles in the summer and 200 in the winter and most GV60 owners are seeing well over 200 miles even at this time of year. I'm a little disappointed with the range, but love the rest of the car, and the charging speeds of course. The Macan EV is next on my radar.
Their relative efficiency is actually very close, both according to formal testing and according to your comments, but one would think you’d know that as an “EV expert” 🙄
 
I don't disagree. But I would take the larger battery pack (even with the extra cost and weight) and give up the charging speed every time. But my point was in the case of the GV60 (and sister cars) in real life you don't save THAT much time versus a car rated with half the charging speed. First of all you need to find a dispenser capable of that speed, and even if you do and if the battery is properly preconditioned and if the charging station is working properly you don't see 200+kw speeds for that long. Having that speed capability is unquestionably a plus, but it's just not the panacea that some here would like us to believe. In addition to the GV60 we also own a Model Y and like them both for different reasons. No question the GV60 is the nicer drive (and it better be for the price premium), but if we are going to need to charge away from home, we will nearly always take the Y. In the overall scheme of things, sure the ability to charge a few minutes faster is an advantage, but in real life it's no where near the top of the list. If we were to take the GV60 on the same trip we could easily waste far more time driving to a CCS station that's working or waiting in line at the CCS station or several minutes just trying to get the CCS charging session started. It's just so utterly painless to use a Supercharger with the Y. Not here to trash the GV60, but if someone regularly needs Level 3 charging away from home, that's the one aspect where the Y has it all over the GV60.
I understand your point and I wasn't disagreeing with your argument for a larger battery pack. I was just pointing out that they aren't swappable options: bigger battery pack vs. faster fast charging.
 
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