Is Genesis tracking you?

[EdP]

Yes, I'm sure. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have stated it. Seems everyone wants to make excuses for bad behavior. The bad behaviour is the speeding, not the person who's obeying the law. Such is the world we live in today.

But if the person following the posted speed is causing backups, it brings out the worst in people. They are a contributing factor and not a safe driver. Yes, I give them much of the blame.

If posted is 55 and everyone is moving 65, it is safest to go 65. Sure, 80 may be reckless but 65 is not. I've driven in many major cities and I just go with the flow

 

[FastCars]

Yes, I'm sure. If I wasn't, I wouldn't have stated it. Seems everyone wants to make excuses for bad behavior. The bad behaviour is the speeding, not the person who's obeying the law. Such is the world we live in today.

He did not say it was the correct thing to do, just that it was the safest thing to do !

A great many very, very bad things have occurred because ppl just did what they were told or followed some arbitrary rule !

 

[SirJangle]

But if the person following the posted speed is causing backups, it brings out the worst in people. They are a contributing factor and not a safe driver. Yes, I give them much of the blame.

If posted is 55 and everyone is moving 65, it is safest to go 65. Sure, 80 may be reckless but 65 is not. I've driven in many major cities and I just go with the flow

I'm not responsible for the actions of others. Nor are you. The onus shouldn't be on the law abiding person to adhere to what everyone else is doing. It should be on everyone who's speeding slowing down.

 

[SirJangle]

He did not say it was the correct thing to do, just that it was the safest thing to do !

A great many very, very bad things have occurred because ppl just did what they were told or followed some arbitrary rule !

It's a proven fact that higher speeds aren't safer.

And, many bad things have occurred because people don't follow rules.

 

[rakker]

It's a proven fact that higher speeds aren't safer.

And, many bad things have occurred because people don't follow rules.

Whether I'm reckless or not is beside the point. I should be made aware that my driving behavior data is being sold or shared and can be linked to me (not aggregated).

 

[SirJangle]

Whether I'm reckless or not is beside the point. I should be made aware that my driving behavior data is being sold or shared and can be linked to me (not aggregated).

I agree and have never disagreed with this point. I just stated that in today's world, we're all being tracked. And, that I don't care as I'm not doing anything that I need to worry about. You are being made aware, in the fine print, that this is happening. You can thank the lawyers for that. I believe the law is that they have to make the info available, but it's up to you to read it.

 

[EdP]

And, many bad things have occurred because people don't follow rules.

Correct. Things like driving slower than the flow of traffic.

 

[SirJangle]

Correct. Things like driving slower than the flow of traffic.

That's not a rule anywhere that I'm aware of. The rule is to drive the posted speed limit.

 

[FastCars]

@EdP we can only hope he isn't planning on retiring to FL any time soon

 

[EdP]

That's not a rule anywhere that I'm aware of. The rule is to drive the posted speed limit.

OMG, thanks for the laugh. Yes, I know the posted speed, however, I also know to drive safely you go with the flow of traffic. Boston, New York, Chicago, DC, and many more.

I used to drive I395 in Ct every day to work. My first car that had an instant read for MPG was nifty. I wanted to see what difference speed made on economy, so, the same flat stretch of road I'd drive different speeds each day. At the time, it was posted 60 (now 65) but everyone drove 70. So, day 1 I drove 70. Day 3, I drove 65. Day 3, I started out in that section at 60, but cars were coming up behind me, cutting into the other lane. It was scary to drive the posted limit so I increased to be safe.

Yes, you can quote all the rules and laws, but safe drivers go with the flow of traffic. Been doing that for 62 years with no tickets or accidents from it. I'm also not the guy that is passing everyone. That can be a danger.

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[FJB]

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[SirJangle]

@EdP we can only hope he isn't planning on retiring to FL any time soon

Nope, no thank you. Much better places to retire.

 

[SirJangle]

We can all agree to disagree on what the "proper" speed is. I prefer to drive the posted speed limit. As I get older, I'm just not that much in a hurry anymore. You do you. The next time you get pulled over for speeding, be sure to tell the officer that you were driving the flow of traffic. I'm sure they'll let you off. I told my retired cop Father-in-Law what you've been posting and he just laughed and said tell them good luck.

As far as not wanting to be tracked, give up all of your modern technology, go off the grid, buy an old, classic car, and move into a cave. You'll probably be safe from being tracked then. Although, I wouldn't bet on it.

Peace and progress!

 

[EdP]

We can all agree to disagree on what the "proper" speed is. I prefer to drive the posted speed limit. As I get older, I'm just not that much in a hurry anymore. You do you. The next time you get pulled over for speeding, be sure to tell the officer that you were driving the flow of traffic. I'm sure they'll let you off. I told my retired cop Father-in-Law what you've been posting and he just laughed and said tell them good luck.

Tell him is has worked like that for 62 years and about 1.5 million miles. I see no reason to change. Passed many a local and state cop like that.

One of the best was slightly faster than traffic. I had been on the road about 10 hours and about an hour from home, I75 north of Tampa and traffic building. I was one of four cars that followed a FDLE car down the left lane for about 15 miles while above the limit. He sure cleared a nice path for us.

 

[tarhoosier]

Driver on highway at tail of many cars all 5-10 over the limit. Several cars pass him to join the line ahead, all at 5-10 over. Police come from behind and stop our man. Speeding is the charge. "Why choose me? They were ahead of me!" he says. "You are easier to catch."

 

[Wolf359fb]

I don't care much about my speed being recorded, however I take issue if the acceleration/deceleration is. If I'm the first at a street light on a road, should I get punished because I like being pinned to my seat by the Boost button, if I reach the speed limit rapidly but don't exceed it? Should I get penalized by my insurer because last week-end I slammed the brakes on a highway in order not to pancake a wild turkey that jumped right in front of my car?

I don't see this as any more dangerous than driving 80 on the left lane of a 100km/h highway...

Also, in Canada, it's in 1977 that we switched from the english to the metric system, prior to which highway speeds were set to 70mph and converted to 100 km/h (Which translates to... 62mph). That was to reduce fuel consumption, but we had crappy suspensions on heavy cars from the 50's, 60's and 70's going even faster than we are allowed to today, cars that had nowhere near the stability, refinement, brakes, tires and driver aids we enjoy today.

And don't get me started on the cities lowering speed limits to the point where we're all driving like 90 years olds, just to protect pedestrians too busy looking down their phones to realize crossing a street without looking is the best way to end like roadkill.

I once had a dongle from an insurer to record a few months of driving in order to establish my premium. Turns out coming to a full stop was deemed too brisk a manoeuver, so basically that piece of trash was just encouraging drivers to just roll through stop signs.

Would my insurer prefer from harsh braking that I just crash into the next wild turkey or deer that decides to cross my path?

 

[FastCars]

And as if to prove my point, there is this little gem from a Genesis email I got this am trying to convince me to sign up for connected services .........

"Law enforcement can gradually reduce engine power of a stolen vehicle, bringing it safely to a complete stop. "

Soooooo - they can use it to control your speed & combined with the geo fencing could even prevent you from going to places they decide are 'off limits'.
For now, conveniently being 'sold' as a feature to help with theft recovery, but clearly ripe for abuse by any gubment agency.

Personally, I'm fully insured & if my car were to be swiped, quite frankly I'd rather not get it back & hope if it's ever recovered it's stripped to the bone or a burned out shell !

 

[HoustonEaDo]

Not sure if I'm a good example as I've only had my Genesis about 6 months - I requested my LexisNexis report and there isn't anything regarding my driving style or habits in the report for any of my current or previous vehicles. They know pretty much everything else about me though !!

 

[wmiles]

And as if to prove my point, there is this little gem from a Genesis email I got this am trying to convince me to sign up for connected services .........

"Law enforcement can gradually reduce engine power of a stolen vehicle, bringing it safely to a complete stop. "

Soooooo - they can use it to control your speed & combined with the geo fencing could even prevent you from going to places they decide are 'off limits'.
For now, conveniently being 'sold' as a feature to help with theft recovery, but clearly ripe for abuse by any gubment agency.

Personally, I'm fully insured & if my car were to be swiped, quite frankly I'd rather not get it back & hope if it's ever recovered it's stripped to the bone or a burned out shell !

So, I read all the previous posts. FYI, I had posted something similar on a different GV70 forum and the replies were both derogatory and condescending from several members. Perhaps I am too sensitive but I do not care to hear smart-ass remarks from the peanut gallery. I guess it makes them feel intelligent. Back to the point. I recently heard about this on the news. Then, I checked the Genesis Owners "MY PORTAL" site and sure enough, if you are using their connected services program (ON by default) then you have given Genesis permission to track your location, time of day or night, acceleration, deceleration, braking, destination, and overall speed, I cannot comment on earlier models but my 2022 w/o the recent map update shows my speed along with the posted speed on my GPS. which I thought was cool, but now now. I was unable to locate my driving score as Genesis said the site was down. The Genesis Owners Website (owners portal) provides LEXISNEXIS with this info, driving score, unless you opt out of connected services. I must have a terrible driving score because my insurance went up drastically this year with no claims, no accidents, and no moving violations. And of course the cell phones do the same thing. I just do not know if they share this info with the insurance carriers. I am sure you know this by now but I just needed to vent.

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[HoustonEaDo]

I hadn't heard about the Genesis Driving Score - it doesn't appear in my Genesis owners portal - but here's the link in case others want to know more about it

Genesis Drive Score

Genesis Driving Score program has been discontinued.

owners.genesis.com

Regarding sharing of data:
With your consent upon enrollment, your driving data is shared with Verisk Analytics to develop your driving score and behavioral analytics, which are then shared with you via your Connected Services account. Your driving data is not shared anywhere else, unless you authorize it to be shared with insurance companies.