Things I don't miss about ICE vehicles

[Sampras]

Since buying my GV60 one year ago, I've mostly driven it everywhere because I rarely travel outside of a 200 mile radius of my home in Iowa. But now I'm on my first long road trip for a while, a vacation to the western national parks with my wife and kids. For this trip, we had to take my wife's hybrid Toyota Sienna (which I like and my wife loves!) to fit all of the kids and our stuff. I've spent 19 hours driving the last couple of days and it's been illuminating to compare this trip with the daily driving experience in my EV. Here are some things that stand out:

1. It's incredibly annoying to have to stand and watch gas pump into my car. I rather like plugging in an EV and leaving to use a restroom and buy a snack while it charges. Standing next to the gas pump seems like a waste of my time.

2. The transmission and engine drone is pretty obnoxious (this is mostly related to driving up the Rocky Mountains and is less prominent elsewhere).

3. Speaking of the mountains, the loss of power due to elevation is crazy to experience once you're used to the uninterrupted torque at all times in an EV.

Feel free to add to my list! I'll keep adding as I rediscover more on this road trip...

 

[PMCErnie]

Funny, pumping gas takes about 5 minutes. You must be doing something wrong. Perhaps you’ve forgotten some skills? While you are wandering around some Walmart for an hour waiting for your EV to charge, I’m 55 minutes ahead of you down the road listening to my audio system screen out the noise of the outside world.

 

[EdP]

Funny, pumping gas takes about 5 minutes. You must be doing something wrong. Perhaps you’ve forgotten some skills? While you are wandering around some Walmart for an hour waiting for your EV to charge, I’m 55 minutes ahead of you down the road listening to my audio system screen out the noise of the outside world.

All of NJ and some towns in MA still have full service. I miss that when the weather is nasty.

 

[PMCErnie]

All of NJ and some towns in MA still have full service. I miss that when the weather is nasty.

There’s nothing like the smell of petrol in the morning on a road trip. Smells like “victory.”

Then there’s this about the rapid depreciation of EV’s.

Poor resale values of EVs threaten adoption, warn some experts

Prices of used EVs continue to plummet and it's a growing problem for adoption and growth, according to some industry and investment experts.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Trixie86]

All of NJ and some towns in MA still have full service. I miss that when the weather is nasty.

3 Stooges Super Service!

 

[wolverine]

There’s nothing like the smell of petrol in the morning on a road trip. Smells like “victory.”

Then there’s this about the rapid depreciation of EV’s.

Poor resale values of EVs threaten adoption, warn some experts

Prices of used EVs continue to plummet and it's a growing problem for adoption and growth, according to some industry and investment experts.

www.cnbc.com

Wrap you lips around your tailpipe and breath in. You will literally see the light within minutes.

 

[CRMS]

>and leaving to use a restroom and buy a snack....

EVs are bad for H0m0 Sapiens - all that unnecessary drinking and snacking of UPFs creating more lardies

 

[Sampras]

 

[steveinarizona]

Funny, pumping gas takes about 5 minutes. You must be doing something wrong. Perhaps you’ve forgotten some skills? While you are wandering around some Walmart for an hour waiting for your EV to charge, I’m 55 minutes ahead of you down the road listening to my audio system screen out the noise of the outside world.

But you are listening to it in a Hyundai, not a Genesis. You hate EVs, that is clear. But what isn't clear to me is why you are even here at this forum since you don't own nor lease a Genesis. You are on the Hyundai forum where you belong and should remain.

 

[PMCErnie]

But you are listening to it in a Hyundai, not a Genesis. You hate EVs, that is clear. But what isn't clear to me is why you are even here at this forum since you don't own nor lease a Genesis. You are on the Hyundai forum where you belong and should remain.

That’s pretty rude. Are you in charge of membership here? I’ve been a member here since 2011.

Don’t blame me for the collapse of the EV market. No doubt it will rise again. I only know what I read in the news.

Poor resale values of EVs threaten adoption, warn some experts

Prices of used EVs continue to plummet and it's a growing problem for adoption and growth, according to some industry and investment experts.

www.cnbc.com

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[Sampras]

Funny, pumping gas takes about 5 minutes. You must be doing something wrong. Perhaps you’ve forgotten some skills? While you are wandering around some Walmart for an hour waiting for your EV to charge, I’m 55 minutes ahead of you down the road listening to my audio system screen out the noise of the outside world.

5 minutes of standing in 100° heat while I need to get to a bathroom! Very annoying.

It turns out that the range of my EV is roughly twice the range of my bladder. I'm sure you're a "gas for 5 minutes and go" kind of guy but I'm definitely not. Thus, here are my options after two hours of driving:

In an ICE vehicle stop at a gas station, pay at the pump (rewards number-no, swipe card, enter zip code, select grade, want a receipt-no, car wash-no), wait 5 minutes in heat/cold staring at nothing until tank is full, walk to restroom, buy Dr. Pepper Zero, walk back to car, drive off=12 minutes.

In my EV, stop at charging station, open app, plug in, wait for hand shake to confirm car is charging (this takes too long, IMO!), walk to restroom, buy Dr. Pepper Zero, walk back to car, unplug, drive off=12-15 minutes.

I have never charged for more than 20 minutes at a fast charger so you would be no more than 15 minutes ahead of me in your hypothetical race...and that would be true whether I was in an ICE or an EV!

 

[PMCErnie]

5 minutes of standing in 100° heat while I need to get to a bathroom! Very annoying.

It turns out that the range of my EV is roughly twice the range of my bladder. I'm sure you're a "gas for 5 minutes and go" kind of guy but I'm definitely not. Thus, here are my options after two hours of driving:

In an ICE vehicle stop at a gas station, pay at the pump (rewards number-no, swipe card, enter zip code, select grade, want a receipt-no, car wash-no), wait 5 minutes in heat/cold staring at nothing until tank is full, walk to restroom, buy Dr. Pepper Zero, walk back to car, drive off=12 minutes.

In my EV, stop at charging station, open app, plug in, wait for hand shake to confirm car is charging (this takes too long, IMO!), walk to restroom, buy Dr. Pepper Zero, walk back to car, unplug, drive off=12-15 minutes.

I have never charged for more than 20 minutes at a fast charger so you would be no more than 15 minutes ahead of me in your hypothetical race...and that would be true whether I was in an ICE or an EV!

That’s fine, but it assumes that first you’ll find a fast charger and second that it’s working. Last I heard, things weren’t working very well in the problem-prone Electrify America network. As a matter of fact, this story says things are dreadful.

‘Plug And Pray’ Is Watchword At Electrify America Chargers In Summer 2024

Public EV fast charging falls into two camps: Tesla and everyone else. The first generally works, the second too often doesn't. One is plug and play, the others often aren’t.

www.forbes.com

 

[EdP]

That’s fine, but it assumes that first you’ll find a fast charger and second that it’s working. Last I heard, things weren’t working very well in the problem-prone Electrify America network. As a matter of fact, this story says things are dreadful.

‘Plug And Pray’ Is Watchword At Electrify America Chargers In Summer 2024

Public EV fast charging falls into two camps: Tesla and everyone else. The first generally works, the second too often doesn't. One is plug and play, the others often aren’t.

www.forbes.com

It will take some time to do a couple of things. First, more chargers. Second, educate people how to use them.

I was reading about it today, most fast chargers will get you to 80% quickly. The last bit to fill takes almost as long. Problem is, people will sit at the charger and wait frustrating those in line. Just charge to 80% and go.

 

[EdP]

5 minutes of standing in 100° heat while I need to get to a bathroom! Very annoying.

It turns out that the range of my EV is roughly twice the range of my bladder. I'm sure you're a "gas for 5 minutes and go" kind of guy but I'm definitely not. Thus, here are my options after two hours of driving:

In an ICE vehicle stop at a gas station, pay at the pump (rewards number-no, swipe card, enter zip code, select grade, want a receipt-no, car wash-no), wait 5 minutes in heat/cold staring at nothing until tank is full, walk to restroom, buy Dr. Pepper Zero, walk back to car, drive off=12 minutes.

In my EV, stop at charging station, open app, plug in, wait for hand shake to confirm car is charging (this takes too long, IMO!), walk to restroom, buy Dr. Pepper Zero, walk back to car, unplug, drive off=12-15 minutes.

I have never charged for more than 20 minutes at a fast charger so you would be no more than 15 minutes ahead of me in your hypothetical race...and that would be true whether I was in an ICE or an EV!

Depends on your needs and use. How many miles do you get on a charge? I can get 400 miles. There are batteries in the works for 600 miles though, and fast charge.

For me, around town I may fill up during an 8 mile, 30 minute errand. I'd have an home charger with an EV. However, a couple times a year I take a long trip. First day is 800 to 900 miles, next day 300 to 400. Return 10 days later. In a few years, no problem, but we are not there yet to make it easy.

 

[Sampras]

That’s fine, but it assumes that first you’ll find a fast charger and second that it’s working. Last I heard, things weren’t working very well in the problem-prone Electrify America network. As a matter of fact, this story says things are dreadful.

‘Plug And Pray’ Is Watchword At Electrify America Chargers In Summer 2024

Public EV fast charging falls into two camps: Tesla and everyone else. The first generally works, the second too often doesn't. One is plug and play, the others often aren’t.

www.forbes.com

I think we all understand that you don't like EVs. You've now posted two stories a total of four times to help make that point. The problem is that they are strawman arguments. No one was arguing that EV prices HAVEN'T dropped. No one has argued that EA is extremely reliable. So why are you posting them here?

Nothing you have posted outside of your first reply where you poked fun of me and questioned my ability to pump gas has anything to do with the topic of this thread.

So, I am politely asking you to stop hijacking this thread. If you want to post articles about EVs, maybe you could start your own thread?

 

[PMCErnie]

I think we all understand that you don't like EVs. You've now posted two stories a total of four times to help make that point. The problem is that they are strawman arguments. No one was arguing that EV prices HAVEN'T dropped. No one has argued that EA is extremely reliable. So why are you posting them here?

Nothing you have posted outside of your first reply where you poked fun of me and questioned my ability to pump gas has anything to do with the topic of this thread.

So, I am politely asking you to stop hijacking this thread. If you want to post articles about EVs, maybe you could start your own thread?

Gee, I didn’t mean to rain on your parade. I merely posted some facts from reliable sources pointing out the negatives of owning an EV at this time. Most folks are not yet willing to spend hours sitting at EV charging stations on a road trip, especially while their investment is withering away at a fast clip.

 

[Looney100]

Gee, I didn’t mean to rain on your parade. I merely posted some facts from reliable sources pointing out the negatives of owning an EV at this time. Most folks are not yet willing to spend hours sitting at EV charging stations on a road trip, especially while their investment is withering away at a fast clip.

This is a forum full of EV owners, whom I suspect ALL previously owned/drove ICE cars. Did you think we weren't aware of the negatives of EV ownership? Your posts are entirely one-sided and add nothing to the discussion.

I will (perhaps for the first time), disagree with @steveinarizona , and say that all are welcome in the forum - but don't pretend that what you're doing here is anything more than spouting a substantially biased - and often misinformed - opinion.

Funny, pumping gas takes about 5 minutes. You must be doing something wrong. Perhaps you’ve forgotten some skills? While you are wandering around some Walmart for an hour waiting for your EV to charge, I’m 55 minutes ahead of you down the road listening to my audio system screen out the noise of the outside world.

If you want to have a discussion about time wasted pumping/charging, here are some numbers to inform things, assuming 20K Kms driven per year.

At 10L/100km fuel consumption and a 20L/min typical flow rate an ICE owner would spend 100 minutes/ year filling up.

At 20kWh/100km fuel consumption a GV60 would consume 4000 kWh/yr of electricity. Estimates are that 80% of charging occurs at home/office, so let's assume no time involved there. For the remaining 800kWh, let's assume an average rate of 200kW (which I am easily getting when I charge), a GV60 owner would spend 240 minutes a year charging.

On the surface, that would seem like >2 hours/year of additional wasted time, however that's not the full story. Charging doesn't need to be attended. I'm never sitting idle while charging. I'm either picking up food, using a bathroom, shopping, or quickly working on my laptop when charging. My guess is that <10% of my charge time has been 'wasted'.

If you bothered to read what folks have posted here, you should have noted that a charge stop for a GV60 is 15-20 minutes, I don't know where your hour-long assumption has come from. I've had a couple charge stops recently that went too fast. I had intended to put only a certain amount in the car to get me to my destination, but by the time I had got the food I needed or completed my trip into the hardware store, I had shot past that.

 

[ideutsch]

I appreciate not spending any time at gas stations or factoring it into my daily commute.

Also, I’ve found that on any of my road trips of 300-400 miles that I wind up needing to stop for a restroom break and food around the point I come across an EA charger. For the past year, there has always been a charger available or almost available and I’ve almost never spent longer than 20 minutes plugged in. It’s just enough time to eat and stretch my legs. I will note that nearly all of these charging stops have had the latest EA hardware and I use the app to start the charge. I’ve also had great success at charging using the TT-30 outlet at campsites.

Does it take some planning? Sure, but I used to plan fueling stops into my road trips anyway. The day-to-day convenience shouldn’t be understated.

 

[Kassey22000]

I don’t miss:
1. The horrific pollution/smell ICE cars emit.
2. The toxic explosive fuel you have to put in (and some often spill) while re-fueling
3. The thousands of extra parts and components required to run an ICE vehicle.
4. The noise, noise, noise.
5. The often jerky transmission responses and wasted energy to move through those gears to keep the RPMs in an ideal range.
6. The transmission hump + and wasted space.
7. The extra fluids that have to be maintained and replaced - sure EVs have fluids but far fewer.
8. The high cost of fuel and additional maintenance. Home charging is around $6 to $11 and EA is free for 3 years. Other stations are still far less than gas/diesel.

+++ what others have already added.
We’ll never go back.
Enjoy the ride.

 

[Alfer]

I appreciate not spending any time at gas stations or factoring it into my daily commute.

Also, I’ve found that on any of my road trips of 300-400 miles that I wind up needing to stop for a restroom break and food around the point I come across an EA charger. For the past year, there has always been a charger available or almost available and I’ve almost never spent longer than 20 minutes plugged in. It’s just enough time to eat and stretch my legs. I will note that nearly all of these charging stops have had the latest EA hardware and I use the app to start the charge. I’ve also had great success at charging using the TT-30 outlet at campsites.

Does it take some planning? Sure, but I used to plan fueling stops into my road trips anyway. The day-to-day convenience shouldn’t be understated.

??

Did you usually drive on near empty daily? Did you have no gas stations within 100 miles of you?

I never have to "factor" in a trip to a gas station, ever. I don't have to worry about "spending time" at gas stations.

I have gas stations minutes from me at any given moment, be it in town, or on the highways I travel. It's super convenient compared to having to find a working EV charger. It's quicker than dealing with a charger. I'm in and out of a gas station in minutes. Not 20, 30, 60 minutes. I don't worry about broken gas pumps, I don't worry about a "slow" gas pump. Ever.

I never have to "plan" a road trip around fining fuel. It's readily available 24/7.

On a side note, good luck with trade in values/resell values of an EV with even 50K miles on it. It's lifespan is most likely nearly gone and nobody wants to buy a car that could need a $20,000 battery replacement.

Case in point