New Model News

[tompass]

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2011/sep/10/spauldng/

 

[nextcar]

wow, if it's a new model for 2013, hyundai is very fast with redesigns.
the current generation is only 4 years in the US, 2009-2012.

 

[elshagon]

So what's the rule of thumb? The 2012 Genesis is on my short list, is it wise to buy one if there's going to be a re-design next year?

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

So what's the rule of thumb? The 2012 Genesis is on my short list, is it wise to buy one if there's going to be a re-design next year?

First, unless Hyundai announces changes, "a bird in hand"...

And more importantly, will a new model still include the Lexicon?

 

[elshagon]

First, unless Hyundai announces changes, "a bird in hand"...

And more importantly, will a new model still include the Lexicon?

True, waiting may mean buying the 2012 a year later...a year where I could have been driving around with a smile on my face.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

True, waiting may mean buying the 2012 a year later...a year where I could have been driving around with a smile on my face.

That's the spirit!!

 

[Seattle Genesis]

I know 2013 is aways off, but any news out there about the 2013 Genesis sedan? Just curious.

 

[Rey]

Looks like 4WD will be coming soon for the Genesis. I hope it is optional. I am not a great fan/advocate of 4WD. In my opinion its limited advantages are not worth the extra cost, weight, complications and lower gas mileage. 4WD helps starting traction, but, again my opinion, does little to benefit handling or braking.
I grew up in Minnesota where snow-packed streets were present all winter. We used to laugh at "4 wheelers", saying the only advantage was you could drive 100 ft. further into the woods before becoming stuck.

 

[Ruissimo]

I have to disagree. My VW Passat 4Motion is the best winter car I've ever owned - the AWD helps you go, and combined with the Tiptronic, downshifting is how you slow down in the white stuff.

Though I'm excited about the new model... I'm gonna pick up a '12 and see how the new style turns out. If they keep it classy, and upgrade the interior with bluelink and stuff... I'll use my guaranteed trade-in in a couple of years

Otherwise... I'll keep my "classic" r spec.

WIN-WIN

 

[scottdk]

Looks like 4WD will be coming soon for the Genesis. I hope it is optional. I am not a great fan/advocate of 4WD. In my opinion its limited advantages are not worth the extra cost, weight, complications and lower gas mileage. 4WD helps starting traction, but, again my opinion, does little to benefit handling or braking.
I grew up in Minnesota where snow-packed streets were present all winter. We used to laugh at "4 wheelers", saying the only advantage was you could drive 100 ft. further into the woods before becoming stuck.

I completely agree with your comments Rey. Bottom line.....It's all about the rubber.

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[Mark_888]

I know 2013 is aways off, but any news out there about the 2013 Genesis sedan? Just curious.

Seems like the article was not clear about when new Genesis sedan will be coming. They said 2013, but didn't say if that was 2013 model year, or the 2014 model year released in fall of 2013. Of course, such reports are not always accurate anyway, in part because Hyundai's plans may change on exact release dates, etc.

 

[YEH]

wow, if it's a new model for 2013, hyundai is very fast with redesigns.
the current generation is only 4 years in the US, 2009-2012.

Remember, while a 2009MY, the Genesis went on sale in the US in 2008.

The Genesis has a 5 yr cycle so it's right on track.

The 2013 signifies year of launch and doesn't necessarily correlate to MY.

Will likely launch in Korea early in the year w/ the US launch mid-late 2013 as a 2014MY.

Looks like 4WD will be coming soon for the Genesis. I hope it is optional.

Will be optional.

 

[Mark_888]

Remember, while a 2009MY, the Genesis went on sale in the US in 2008.

The Genesis has a 5 yr cycle so it's right on track.

The 2013 signifies year of launch and doesn't necessarily correlate to MY.

Will likely launch in Korea early in the year w/ the US launch mid-late 2013 as a 2014MY.

Will be optional [AWD].

More "inside" information from YEH. It is great to have someone with such connections to Hyundai on our forum to keep us abreast of things coming in the future.

 

[jmo51]

More "inside" information from YEH. It is great to have someone with such connections to Hyundai on our forum to keep us abreast of things coming in the future.

You and YEH need to get a room.

Can't you leave it alone?

 

[Car Fan]

You and YEH need to get a room.

Can't you leave it alone?

You said it before I could. Sheesh

 

[STREETS]

AWD is nice- but to sacrifice fuel economy all year round for the 10 days you may need it?
Added service cost, etc.

 

[Mark_888]

AWD is nice- but to sacrifice fuel economy all year round for the 10 days you may need it?
Added service cost, etc.

In some locations those 10 days make a big difference for those with only one car available to drive. This is especially true if adding AWD option to RWD models like the Genesis. For example, few people in the Rocky Mountain states will buy a RWD car, not just becasue of the 10 days they need it around town, but also because of when they might be driving in the mountains in the winter. So AWD option will open new markets for the Genesis.

 

[musher51]

I'll never cease to be amazed at the intractable viewpoint held by so many regarding the unsuitability of RWD cars in winter conditions. Taken at face value, all cars must have been parked all winter long prior to the late 70s/early 80s (when 98+% of all vehicles were RWD).

If you <1> install good snow tires, and <2> know what you're doing, there's no reason to fear driving a RWD car in the winter. None. It's essentially all there was for the first six decades of automotive history, and technology improvements (ala ESC chips that constantly monitor oversteer, understeer, yaw, etc.) have only improved potential RWD traction control in recent years.

But it's apparent that nothing can be said, nor any evidence offered, that will change the minds of those that hold the view that you cannot navigate snowy or icy roads without AWD (or at least FWD). I guess I shouldn't let it bother me, as it's their loss (that is, giving up the joy of RWD and accepting the handling compromises implicit in AWD/FWD).

 

[jmo51]

I'll never cease to be amazed at the intractable viewpoint held by so many regarding the unsuitability of RWD cars in winter conditions. Taken at face value, all cars must have been parked all winter long prior to the late 70s/early 80s (when 98+% of all vehicles were RWD).

If you <1> install good snow tires, and <2> know what you're doing, there's no reason to fear driving a RWD car in the winter. None. It's essentially all there was for the first six decades of automotive history, and technology improvements (ala ESC chips that constantly monitor oversteer, understeer, yaw, etc.) have only improved potential RWD traction control in recent years.

But it's apparent that nothing can be said, nor any evidence offered, that will change the minds of those that hold the view that you cannot navigate snowy or icy roads without AWD (or at least FWD). I guess I shouldn't let it bother me, as it's their loss (that is, giving up the joy of RWD and accepting the handling compromises implicit in AWD/FWD).

I agree. When I lived in N. ID. I was driving a 71 Malibu, with all season radials. Commuted 100's of miles on the ice without issue. Driving safe in these conditions is something that must be learned. Once a person does, it's like riding a bike. For those who live in the mountains, AWD is a nice option.

 

[Mark_888]

I'll never cease to be amazed at the intractable viewpoint held by so many regarding the unsuitability of RWD cars in winter conditions. Taken at face value, all cars must have been parked all winter long prior to the late 70s/early 80s (when 98+% of all vehicles were RWD).

If you <1> install good snow tires, and <2> know what you're doing, there's no reason to fear driving a RWD car in the winter. None. It's essentially all there was for the first six decades of automotive history, and technology improvements (ala ESC chips that constantly monitor oversteer, understeer, yaw, etc.) have only improved potential RWD traction control in recent years.

But it's apparent that nothing can be said, nor any evidence offered, that will change the minds of those that hold the view that you cannot navigate snowy or icy roads without AWD (or at least FWD). I guess I shouldn't let it bother me, as it's their loss (that is, giving up the joy of RWD and accepting the handling compromises implicit in AWD/FWD).

People who live in Denver rarely use snow tires and find that FWD is adequate even in light to moderate snow. AWD is a nice to have, but not required. But RWD is just very unpopular in Denver, except for luxury cars when the owner has another vehicle they can use when necessary. I am sure there a lots of other places like Denver (it actually does not snow that much in Denver due to its semi-arid climate, despite popular misconceptions).

However, I will admit that with the latest electronic traction control found on most new cars including Genesis, it is less of a real problem, but RWD remains a "marketing" problem in some locations, especially given the all other FWD and AWD options available. Even if one finds a good RWD that can handle the light to moderate snow, there is always the issue of resale value because of the general perception, so that compounds things.