1,000 mile oil change?

[wannagenny]

Bought a 2013 Genesis 3.8 a couple of months ago and before we drove it home from the dealership, we were told that we should get the oil changed at 1,000 miles. Salesman claimed that it would be necessary to get the oil changed in order to get any metal shavings and such out of the engine since it would now be used regularly. I personally have never heard of this. Is this valid or is it just a scam to get me to come in and give them my money for something that can wait another couple thousand miles? Any advice would be appreciated.

 

[homeofstone]

some say yes. However, I have never done it and my cars last well past 200,000 miles and never used oil or had internal engine problems. If small particles do get in the oil pan, isn't that what the oil filter is for?

 

[gameday22]

I changed out my oil after the first 1,000 miles and put in Synthetic Penzoil Ultra 5w20 and ran that for 2,500 miles. I took a sample and sent it into Blackstone Labs for an oil analysis reading. I did another sample once the car reached 7,500 miles and everything showed the engine was breaking in correctly.

Since then I have sent in 2 more samples and all readings have been great for the engines health. Once I reached 50k miles I changed over to 5w30 and will look at high mileage synthetic @ 75k miles.

 

[Mark_888]

I changed out my oil after the first 1,000 miles and put in Synthetic Penzoil Ultra 5w20 and ran that for 2,500 miles. I took a sample and sent it into Blackstone Labs for an oil analysis reading. I did another sample once the car reached 7,500 miles and everything showed the engine was breaking in correctly.

Since then I have sent in 2 more samples and all readings have been great for the engines health. Once I reached 50k miles I changed over to 5w30 and will look at high mileage synthetic @ 75k miles.

Unless you have excessive engine wear and/or high oil consumption, I would stay away from high mileage oil regardless of actual mileage on your engine.

 

[Mark_888]

Bought a 2013 Genesis 3.8 a couple of months ago and before we drove it home from the dealership, we were told that we should get the oil changed at 1,000 miles. Salesman claimed that it would be necessary to get the oil changed in order to get any metal shavings and such out of the engine since it would now be used regularly. I personally have never heard of this. Is this valid or is it just a scam to get me to come in and give them my money for something that can wait another couple thousand miles? Any advice would be appreciated.

I agree with homeofstone that the filter would catch any metal shavings. A lot of those ideas go back to the "old" days 20-30 years ago when engine manufacturing and motor oils were a lot different. The Genesis Owner's manual section on engine break-in does not mention changing the oil after 1000 miles, but it won't hurt, so if you makes you feel better then do whatever makes you happy.

Maybe you can compromise and change the oil after 3000 miles the first time, and then go up to normal intervals after that. I personally would highly recommend synthetic oil, but not until you accumulate at least 3000 miles on the engine (to ensure proper seating of piston rings which happens more quickly with higher friction conventional oil).

 

[shagnat]

Unless you have excessive engine wear and/or high oil consumption, I would stay away from high mileage oil regardless of actual mileage on your engine.

^5 +1 x 1000000

 

[radicaltimes]

I agree with homeofstone that the filter would catch any metal shavings. A lot of those ideas go back to the "old" days 20-30 years ago when engine manufacturing and motor oils were a lot different. The Genesis Owner's manual section on engine break-in does not mention changing the oil after 1000 miles, but it won't hurt, so if you makes you feel better then do whatever makes you happy.

Maybe you can compromise and change the oil after 3000 miles the first time, and then go up to normal intervals after that. I personally would highly recommend synthetic oil, but not until you accumulate at least 3000 miles on the engine (to ensure proper seating of piston rings which happens more quickly with higher friction conventional oil).

Most High Performance and exotic cars come from the factory with synthetic oil in them and don't have any problems with the rings breaking in.
I change my oil every 5,000 miles. The manual says you can go 7,500 miles but most new cars now say 10,000 between oil changes, I put over 250,000 miles on my cars before getting rid of them.

 

[Mark_888]

Most High Performance and exotic cars come from the factory with synthetic oil in them and don't have any problems with the rings breaking in.
I change my oil every 5,000 miles. The manual says you can go 7,500 miles but most new cars now say 10,000 between oil changes, I put over 250,000 miles on my cars before getting rid of them.

When some of them first starting using synthetic as factory fill, there were some problems with break-in. Then they started doing an engine break-in at the factory to solve that problem.

If the Genesis has engine break-in done at the factory, then one can use synthetic immediately. But since it doesn't hurt to wait 3000 miles to switch to synthetic, and we don't know for sure what Hyundai does for break-in at the factory, and the Genesis does not have synthetic as factory fill, that is why I recommend to wait 3000 miles. But I understand your points, and I am not saying I know it would cause a problem for sure to immediately switch to synthetic.

 

[Potty_Pants]

If you plan on keeping the car for a very long time.. then yes get the 1k oil change.

most high performance cars and exotics are put thru the paces (dyno, lap around a manufacturer track) before they leave the factory.

even for those cars I'd still change the oil and get the particles out. Avg cars like ours are rolled off the line and shipped. I'm willing to eat crow if somebody shows me a blackstone report from their first oil change and it didn't show higher then normal wear metals.

engines are manufactured much better then before as another posted, before it was mandatory for the engine/transmission etc. now not so much... but every little bit helps !

ppp

p.s. and yes my past three new cars all had 1K oil changes performed.

 

[Fast55]

^ What he said. EVERYTHING I buy gets it's first oil change in less than 1000 miles. The local dealer did my car at 800 miles and at 3000 miles it was switched to Mobil One. There are those who build motors for a living that wouldn't have it any other way. For the cost of one "extra" oil change, that's good enough for me.

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[jlindh]

I've always done it on my new cars. It's only a one time deal and is cheap insurance. A little mechanical sympathy is a good thing to have IMHO.

 

[PMCErnie]

Click and Clack, the Car Talk duo, recommend changing oil at 1,000 miles. I'm sure you can find their detailed thoughts somewhere at their web site.

http://www.cartalk.com

 

[Mark_888]

Click and Clack, the Car Talk duo, recommend changing oil at 1,000 miles. I'm sure you can find their detailed thoughts somewhere at their web site.

http://www.cartalk.com

Those guys are older than dirt, and when they learned about automobile engines and oil (back in the 1950's or 1960's), it probably was the case that the first oil change should be done at 1000 miles (and subsequent ones done at every 3000 miles). But engine manufacturing technology has changed dramatically over the years, even if some people haven't.

 

[Potty_Pants]

Those guys are older than dirt, and when they learned about automobile engines and oil (back in the 1950's or 1960's), it probably was the case that the first oil change should be done at 1000 miles (and subsequent ones done at every 3000 miles). But engine manufacturing technology has changed dramatically over the years, even if some people haven't.

oil has improved over the years too.

even with my turbo car I did 7500 or 1 year whichever comes first. the 3K being pushed is old school for uneducated people with money to burn. great for grease monkey shops but bad for people trying to scrape by

ppp

 

[PMCErnie]

Those guys are older than dirt, and when they learned about automobile engines and oil (back in the 1950's or 1960's), it probably was the case that the first oil change should be done at 1000 miles (and subsequent ones done at every 3000 miles). But engine manufacturing technology has changed dramatically over the years, even if some people haven't.

We should have realized that you know more about cars than they do. I don't know how they stay in business and admired.

 

[homeofstone]

If 1000 mile oil change is what some say is so necessary due to metal particles then I see a possible problem here. It seems to me that instead of 1000 miles it should be the number of hours an engine is run. Someone driving in only city traffic does not obtain 1000 miles nearly as fast as someone with a 100 mile round trip commute 5 days a week. City driving = 50 to 60 hours to get to 1000. Highway commute = 18 to 25 hours to get 1000. Also, city driving requires more frequent oil changes for the same reason.

 

[Mark_888]

We should have realized that you know more about cars than they do. I don't know how they stay in business and admired.

I have listened to their radio show many times over the years (I am guessing more than 30 years). At first they were pretty knowledgeable about specific vehicle problems and the likely cause (and the cost to fix them), but as time went on automotive systems became more complex, more integrated, and obtained from fewer and fewer outsourced suppliers, and usually could not be repaired (only replaced) and it was obvious that their answers were less and less useful over the years. Whatever answers they gave applied to the "good ol days", when they actually repaired cars themselves. They have gotten too wealthy and famous to have repaired any cars themselves for a long, long time now.

Also, they pretty much rely on comedy, rather than factual information, for the longevity of their show. In a word, their show is a joke (and I would bet my entire net worth that Tom and Ray would agree with me on that).

 

[Potty_Pants]

If 1000 mile oil change is what some say is so necessary due to metal particles then I see a possible problem here. It seems to me that instead of 1000 miles it should be the number of hours an engine is run. Someone driving in only city traffic does not obtain 1000 miles nearly as fast as someone with a 100 mile round trip commute 5 days a week. City driving = 50 to 60 hours to get to 1000. Highway commute = 18 to 25 hours to get 1000. Also, city driving requires more frequent oil changes for the same reason.

no argument here. just saying based upon my driving, location, value... 1K is the mile marker for me.

ppp

 

[EXBMWGUY]

We should have realized that you know more about cars than they do. I don't know how they stay in business and admired.

Let's be fair guys - there are a lot more people with 10-year old Honda Accords and Mercury Sables calling in or writing to the Click & Clack guys than there are two year old car owners, luxury cars owners or gear heads. So the knowledge threshold is so low that we really don't know how car-savvy they are. I'm just glad neither one of them is my brother.