1st oil change on our 14' RSPEC

[05king]

So the car just turned 4k miles and I want to get the oil and filter changed this weekend. I plan to use just dinosaur oil (if the car did not originally come with synthetic oil.) I don't have the car here with me to look in the owners manual. Should I go get a factory oil filter to cover my butt for any warranty issues or can I just use a good Napa filter?

 

[LandoAWD]

Factory filter

 

[Mark_888]

So the car just turned 4k miles and I want to get the oil and filter changed this weekend. I plan to use just dinosaur oil (if the car did not originally come with synthetic oil.) I don't have the car here with me to look in the owners manual. Should I go get a factory oil filter to cover my butt for any warranty issues or can I just use a good Napa filter?

Napa does not "manufacture" filters for the Genesis. The one they "sell" may be the same as the OEM, or it may be junk. The Genesis is not a "mass market" filter.

Also, there is sometimes a problem with after-market filter cross reference charts on the Genesis (for various reasons) and some members have ended up with the wrong filter size that either got crushed or had other problems. Go with the OEM filter at the dealer (just ask the price before you agree to buy it, so they will give you the "discount" price).

Not using synthetic is kind of ridiculous IMO, especially if you do the change yourself. The difference in price at Wal-Mart (with 5-quart jugs) is pretty small. Even the house brand Walmart synthetic oil is better than conventional. Hyundai does not require synthetic because they are afraid that customers will not buy their cars if maintenance costs are too high, but it is a superior oil.

Make sure you have a hex socket to fit the end of the oil filter cap (actual filter is a cartridge that fits inside). I think it is a 27mm socket (you may need a 1/2 inch to 3/8 inch converter if your socket wrench is 3/8 inch). There are some specific oil filter wrenches that may be available for the 27mm filter cap at your auto parts store, but I like the regular socket wrench solution better.

 

[05king]

Mark I disagree with you on many points.
Napa does carry there brand of filter for a 5.0 Genesis (although it is there low end brand and I not going with that one.)
Does Napa make there own filters (I don't know) but there upper end filters are very highly rated in tests and have been recommended by engine builders that I personally know that build racing engines so I know there good.
Also not using synthetic being ridiculous I totally disagree with. Some rings will come unseated by using synthetic too early. Some motors come from factory and are built to use synthetic out of the factory (LS1 LS3 LT1 etc.) Synthetic has its advantages but for me I would rather use dinosaur oil and change it every 4k than use Synthetic and change every 10k.
My buddy sells Amsoil and I cant even justify using it in a 10k 604hp big block Ford. Instead I use Valvoline racing oil and change it twice a year.
I also don't believe that Walmart synthetic is superior to Valvoline racing oil but everyone has there opinion.
I do believe that synthetic is far superior when you do want to do less oil changes and dino oil breaks down way sooner. But for the cost difference I just feel better knowing my car has fresh oil every 4k miles
As far as the socket wrench I will have to check on that. Napa can get the factory filter for it for under 10 bucks. I don't know how much the factory charges but this Napa is by my house so I will use it.

 

[kn5owa]

For what it's worth, the filter cap on my 5.0 takes a 24 mm socket - And, you have to remove a so-called "drain bolt" with a 6 mm hex wrench before you can use the socket. May be different on your car.

I have used Mobil 1 since its intro in 1975 - and on my V8, filter placement and fit is very critical, so I would go with an oem filter for that reason alone.

 

[craigt]

Why the resistance for getting a Hyundai branded oil filter?

I can't be bothered changing my own oil. But if I did, I'd be using all Hyundai parts (except for the oil itself).

 

[kn5owa]

Why the resistance for getting a Hyundai branded oil filter?

I can't be bothered changing my own oil. But if I did, I'd be using all Hyundai parts (except for the oil itself).

For some people - going to a dealer is a hassle - I suppose

And you got 2nd source parts everywhere


Here is an old tsb discussion on the issue:

http://www.showmetheparts.com/BIN/documents/Champ/Firestone Hyundai Bulletin.pdf

 

[Mark_888]

Mark I disagree with you on many points.
Napa does carry there brand of filter for a 5.0 Genesis (although it is there low end brand and I not going with that one.)
Does Napa make there own filters (I don't know) but there upper end filters are very highly rated in tests and have been recommended by engine builders that I personally know that build racing engines so I know there good.
Also not using synthetic being ridiculous I totally disagree with. Some rings will come unseated by using synthetic too early. Some motors come from factory and are built to use synthetic out of the factory (LS1 LS3 LT1 etc.) Synthetic has its advantages but for me I would rather use dinosaur oil and change it every 4k than use Synthetic and change every 10k.
My buddy sells Amsoil and I cant even justify using it in a 10k 604hp big block Ford. Instead I use Valvoline racing oil and change it twice a year.
I also don't believe that Walmart synthetic is superior to Valvoline racing oil but everyone has there opinion.
I do believe that synthetic is far superior when you do want to do less oil changes and dino oil breaks down way sooner. But for the cost difference I just feel better knowing my car has fresh oil every 4k miles
As far as the socket wrench I will have to check on that. Napa can get the factory filter for it for under 10 bucks. I don't know how much the factory charges but this Napa is by my house so I will use it.

King,

There are hundreds of posts on this forum which explain many of these points, and I hesitate to repeat them (you should probably find them yourself) but here is a summary.

Whatever tests that were done on "Napa" filters do not apply to the one for the Genesis, which is a low volume cartridge type filter, and not a mass market filter. So whatever you think about the quality of "main line" of Napa spin on filters, does not apply is this case. The filter "may" be the same one as the OEM filter (which is not made by Hyundai), but why even take a chance? I have read quite a few posts on this forum of people who got the wrong after-market filter, because the after-market filter guides are not correct (especially with the 2014 R-Spec).

There is no such thing anymore as a motor built to use synthetic. Maybe at one time, but not anymore. You may not know this, but almost all Toyotas and Hondas now specify synthetic oil (they actually specify 0W-20, which is only available as a synthetic, but don't want to use the word "synthetic" because it scares people who think synthetic is too expensive).

Since your engine is sufficiently broken in and rings seated, there is no problem in switching to synthetic now. If you want to be extra safe and switch to synthetic at 2nd oil change, then OK.

Amsoil is a complete and total ripoff. There are actually 3 different "grades" of Amsoil synthetic. The first one is very, very expensive, high quality synthetic polymers, but does not meet API specs for Hyundai engines and could void your warranty. The second and third grades are still over-priced and mediocre quality. Amsoil is a bait and switch scam.

Racing motor oil is usually too high of viscosity, does not meet manufacturer specs for Hyundai and will void your warranty (if there is an engine problem in any way related to oil and they find out what you used).

Valvoline no longer refines their own oil. They buy all the ingredients from others and just blend them. It is OK, but nothing special. They are living on the fumes of their glory days decades ago.

The price of a 5 quart jug of Mobil 1 at Walmart is about $25. You don't have to change your oil at 10,000 miles to justify synthetic, 5000 mile oil changes is fine. In fact, for warranty purposes you must change at least every 7500 miles.

No offense intended, but from almost everything you have said, you are living in the past. Things have changed a lot in the automotive business the last 10-15 years. The things you believe may have been true long ago, but were in the 21st century now.

It sounds to me like you enjoy talking the guys at the local Napa store, and there is nothing that I say that will convince you. Again, no personal offense toward you is intended, but I just feel telling the truth is important to forum members.

 

[homeofstone]

Use the OEM Hyundai oil filter. Its maybe $3.00 more but it meets the requirements of the 5.0 engine. Many newer high performance cars have very close tolerance on specs like the oil filter. It is unwise to use after market oil filters and transmission filters in newer performance luxury cars.

 

[Mark_888]

For what it's worth, the filter cap on my 5.0 takes a 24 mm socket - And, you have to remove a so-called "drain bolt" with a 6 mm hex wrench before you can use the socket. May be different on your car.

I think the 2009-2013 may have used 27mm, but I only really know about the V6. Even though the 2014 is a 1st Generation model, they may have switched to 25mm for the 2014 V8, just like the 2015 2nd Generation Genesis.

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[05king]

Mark, curious to what all your back ground on oil comes from? Are you in the industry? Second I am not running Valvoline racing oil in my Genesis but I do run it in my Ford. The engine builder that is know nationwide that builds racing motors and deals with this for a living seems to like Valvoline for the motors he builds. Your comment about me liking to talk to the guys at Napa if a stupid ass comment. You by the way are talking to a guy that has built cars for 28 years so I do know a thing or two about vehicles. Just this weekend I lifted my Dodge Cumming and put a CalTracs racing suspension in my Torino so again you are talking to a guy that wrenches all the time not some dude that bought a 429HP car and doesn't know shit about vehicles. I am not against factory filters AS YOU CAN SEE I ASKED THE QUESTION! Again no offense

 

[kn5owa]

No offense intended, but from almost everything you have said, you are living in the past.

Here's a blast from the past:

When Mobil was trying to establish their niche in the synthetic market back in the '70's, there were all kinds of vague rumors floating around that Mobil 1 would ruin your "seals" - your warranty would go up in flames, etc. None of which were ever proved true, to my knowledge.

Back to reality - around my area, at least - dino oil is almost as pricy as good synthetic, so the decision is a no-brainer. I can't even get cheap oil for my lawnmowers

 

[Mark_888]

Mark, curious to what all your back ground on oil comes from? Are you in the industry? Second I am not running Valvoline racing oil in my Genesis but I do run it in my Ford. The engine builder that is know nationwide that builds racing motors and deals with this for a living seems to like Valvoline for the motors he builds. Your comment about me liking to talk to the guys at Napa if a stupid ass comment. You by the way are talking to a guy that has built cars for 28 years so I do know a thing or two about vehicles. Just this weekend I lifted my Dodge Cumming and put a CalTracs racing suspension in my Torino so again you are talking to a guy that wrenches all the time not some dude that bought a 429HP car and doesn't know shit about vehicles. I am not against factory filters AS YOU CAN SEE I ASKED THE QUESTION! Again no offense

King,

It is obvious to me (and everyone else) that you know a lot about cars and engines. I never doubted that. What I was trying to say is that things have changed--drastically. In fact, sometimes the more one knows about cars and engines, the more prone one is to do things the old ways, instead of what is best to do now.

I am sorry if I offended you, just trying to give you good advice, and also relaying the experiences of many other members who have used after-market filters, some of whom had problems. This seems to be especially true for the 2014 V8, as there may have been a filter change from 2013, and not every aftermarket cross reference is aware, and not brand of filter has the newer filter. There are many posts on this subject in this forum, and it gets a bit complicated.

 

[Mark_888]

Back to reality - around my area, at least - dino oil is almost as pricy as good synthetic, so the decision is a no-brainer. I can't even get cheap oil for my lawnmowers

Yes, if one changes their own oil, it is a no-brainer. Unfortunately, some shops charge ridiculous prices for synthetic oil changes.

 

[homeofstone]

O5king, I too restore cars and rebuild engines, suspensions etc. I have been working on cars as long as you have been alive ( its a hobby I enjoy) and the newer cars are very different than my 1965 Mustang or your Torino. I for instance have never worked on a GDI engine. BTW I also use Valvoline brand oil, but Valvoline Synpower synthetic for the cold start protection it gives over conventional oil.

 

[427435]

I just did my 22,500 oil and filter change (7,500 mile changes) and got my lab analysis back. Everything was fine. I'm using Mobil 1 5w-30 oil. Changing oil more often is a waste of time and money, in my opinion.

I have it done at the dealer but supply my own oil.

Oh yes, I dumped the factory oil at about 1500 miles and then changed again at 7500 miles. The car uses no oil.

 

[craigt]

For some people - going to a dealer is a hassle - I suppose

If that is true, then perhaps some people have purchased into the wrong car brand.

I personally wouldn't buy a car if the closest dealership was 50+ miles away. But let's supposed the dealership was 80 miles away, and one wants to do their own oil changes. Go to the dealer once, buy 10 oil filters, and be done with it.

This entire OEM vs NAPA oil filter debate is nonsense.

 

[homeofstone]

If that is true, then perhaps some people have purchased into the wrong car brand.

I personally wouldn't buy a car if the closest dealership was 50+ miles away. But let's supposed the dealership was 80 miles away, and one wants to do their own oil changes. Go to the dealer once, buy 10 oil filters, and be done with it.

This entire OEM vs NAPA oil filter debate is nonsense.

+1 - I purchase my Hyundai filters through Amazon.

 

[amartz]

Napa does not "manufacture" filters for the Genesis. The one they "sell" may be the same as the OEM, or it may be junk. The Genesis is not a "mass market" filter.

Napa sells filters made by WIX for their best quality filters, and WIX has a good reputation for manufacturing quality filters. I'm not saying anything about their filters for the Genesis, personally I always let the dealer do it. I used to always do my own, but with all the damn under car skid panels, it's just not worth it any more. Plus it establishes the warranty record at the dealership.

 

[Mark_888]

Napa sells filters made by WIX for their best quality filters, and WIX has a good reputation for manufacturing quality filters. I'm not saying anything about their filters for the Genesis, personally I always let the dealer do it. I used to always do my own, but with all the damn under car skid panels, it's just not worth it any more. Plus it establishes the warranty record at the dealership.

I am not against aftermarket filters. Prior to my Genesis, I almost always used quality aftermarket filters (the spin-on kind with metal case).

But the cartridge oil filters for the Genesis only fit certain Hyundai and Kia engines (according to the WIX application guide), and are relatively low sales volumes, so that is why I wonder if WIX manufactures it themselves. Not every filter company can make every filter, and sometimes it is just more economical to get them from somewhere else, given the relatively small quantities that they sell of certain filters.

Also, in looking at pictures of oil filters on the WIX website, I don't think the WIX filter for the 2014 Genesis V8 has the same endcap configuration as the OEM filter. Based on posts of other members who have said their aftermarket filters were crushed when they removed it after next oil change, I think there is a risk associated with after-market filters on the Genesis.