2010 V6 or V8 or just wait for a 2011?

[sg1717]

I'm not in a real hurry to purchase, so thought I would take the time to do some research.

It looks like for 2010, you can get every option on a V6 that you can for the V8, so people are not forced into a V8. Just want to make sure that I am not mistaken?

New changes for 2011 are cosmetic, and 8spd transmission, that is all I could find at least.

Let me know what you guys would choose if you could do it all over again, or are thinking about purchasing.

Thanks in advance.

 

[bradyb]

I'm not in a real hurry to purchase, so thought I would take the time to do some research.

Let me know what you guys would choose if you could do it all over again, or are thinking about purchasing.

Thanks in advance.

I love my V8!! smooth effortless power and plenty in reserve.

 

[Dimitry]

If you are willing to wait until October at the latest, I would wait for a 2011. They want to cycle upgrades into the Tau every year, and they may even add some improvements to the engine, including GDI.

 

[TJPark01]

You wont really know what the 2011's will have or look like, it's all speculation at this point. Most companies aren't very transparent about it simply because if people know a face-lift is pending, then they will usually wait, leaving the current crop to collect dust. You may get some visibility into the 2011 in the 4th quarter of calendar year 2010, if you can wait that long. Plus, if it's minor, you can always try and barter for a 2010, as the dealers will be trying to push those cars out the door.
With that being said, most people will be more than happy with the V6. The V8 is nice to have and all, but the car is very good with the V6. If you are the type to drive aggressively, you want the top model of everything and you have the means, go for it. If you are cost conscious, financing your purchase and trying to maximize the dollar, the V6 is the way to go.

 

[Mark_888]

V6/V8 - V6 has plenty of power unless you are towing or carrying around 4 large adults on a frequent basis. V6 is more nimble and better balanced owing to 200 lbs lighter on front end. Tau V8 is very good engine, but still has a few wrinkles owing to its new design. V6 has been around a lot longer.

8-speed transmission - Not needed, and certainly is not going to get you better performance (may squeeze 1 MPG better fuel economy at best). Probably newer design, and therefore more prone to problems compared to more proven products.

GDI- sounds great, but they forget to mention that direction injection engines are more prone to fuel dilution in the oil, which is why German cars that use it specify heavy duty synthetic oils.

Not sure what else may be in the 2011, but as it stands now from the things already mentioned, a 2010 V6 looks pretty good to me.

 

[sherrod]

Personally I don't want an 8 speed transmission. In fact, I think the 6 speed is overkill with the V8. With the 6 speed, the first shift point is in the range of 10-15 MPH. That's a speed where I would prefer to feel smooth, uninterrupted acceleration; so the shift is a minor annoyance.

On a positive note I will say that the 6 speed transmission does an excellent job of shifting with minimum jerk or noise. But do you really want to go through 8 shifts to get from stop to 70 MPH?

My grandparents owned a 1953 Buick that had a Dynaflow transmission. The Dynaflow used a variable pitch impeller in a circulating fluid to achieve continuously adjustable ratios without any shifts. Since there was no lockup and you had continuous power loss from fluid flow and friction, it was very inefficient. But nobody cared about miles per gallon back then; they just liked the smooth, uninterrupted acceleration.

 

[nearwater]

If you're not in a hurry, I recommend you wait few more months till the '11s hit the market and see the differences for yourself.
Minor exterior changes are confirmed including the bumper integrated exhaust tips(ala Lexus LS460), and probably the offering of 8-speed transmission.

If the changes aren't that great enough for you, then you can always get a better deal on a leftover '10.

As far as the V6 vs. V8 debate, yes, you can get pretty much every options for the V8 on a V6.
You should know though, that there are subtle differences between the two powerplant.

Transmission - V8 uses the ZF(German) which is known for their bulletproof 6 speed units, while the V6 uses Aisin normally found on Japanese luxury vehicles. They're also known to be good, reliable transmissions.

Steering - V6 is hydraulic, while the V8 is electro-hydraulic. There's been a review that the V6 has more road feedback which is a good thing for sporty driving.

Brake - V8 uses 4-piston brake calipers for the front to provide better stopping power, but mostly because of the heavier weight.

I drove a V6 and a V8 back to back during my test drive and the initial acceleration was pretty much the same, due to lighter weight and shorter gearing of the V6, but the V8 definitely had more top end.

For daily city drivings, I think the V6 is a better choice because of it's lighter weight, better MPG, and of course lower sticker price.
But on the freeway, it's really hard not to like the smooth, effortless power delivery of the V8.

Personally, I'm the kinda guy who needs everything top-of-the-line.
There, I said it. I got the V8 because it is the higher trim.

Dan

 

[jwaters943]

Given that the 2011 is approx. 6 months away from showrooms and you're in no hurry, I would wait. We should know what Hyundai has in store for the 2011 by September. If it turns out the 2011 isn't vastly improved and you want to just get a 2010 you should be able to negotiate a better deal during the 4th quarter of the year then you would right now.

 

[sg1717]

Thanks for all the great insight! I'm usually the "top of the line" guy, but I will definitely be driving more city than freeway. But I will wait since my 2004 Inifiniti is still going strong.

 

[jwaters943]

Well, if rumors are true and the Genesis 3.8 does get GDI w/ approx. 350hp you could be looking at the best of both worlds:

V8-like acceleration w/ V6 fuel economy. As it stands now the V6 is surprisingly quick IMO.

Approx. 6 seconds 0-60:

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[DavidNJ]

The Genesis is a nice car with either engine. However, if you don't need a car for 6 months, I'd wait. There will be fixes/upgrades that will make it nicer.

 

[flyboy2]

I'm not in a real hurry to purchase, so thought I would take the time to do some research.

It looks like for 2010, you can get every option on a V6 that you can for the V8, so people are not forced into a V8. Just want to make sure that I am not mistaken?

New changes for 2011 are cosmetic, and 8spd transmission, that is all I could find at least.

Let me know what you guys would choose if you could do it all over again, or are thinking about purchasing.

Thanks in advance.

Do you want us to come over tuck you in tonight?

 

[nearwater]

Do you want us to come over tuck you in tonight?

you crack me up, dude.

Dan

 

[sg1717]

Do you want us to come over tuck you in tonight?

Are you offering?

 

[ASHDUMP]

Go with a 2009 if you can deal without guided cruise control.

I'm willing to bet there are some 4.6's out there still....

 

[Col123]

Related question...I am not yet a Genesis owner but have been incredibly impresed from what I've read and test driven and plan to make the plunge and buy soon.

Delaers I've spoken to are giving some very good deals on 2009s. Any reason I should (or should not) consider a 2009? Is the 2010 superior to the 2009 in any significant ways or are they very comparable?

Plus...is the 4.6 worth the extra money, be it a 2009 or 2010?

Thanks for any insights...

 

[sherrod]

Any reason I should (or should not) consider a 2009? Is the 2010 superior to the 2009 in any significant ways or are they very comparable?

Plus...is the 4.6 worth the extra money, be it a 2009 or 2010?

The radar cruise control, which was added in the 2010 Tech Package, is my favorite high-tech feature. I use it all the time. So, for me, the 2010 version is very important. If you don't care about radar cruise control, then the 2009 model should be ok if you are getting a steep discount. However, before you write off the cruise control, I recommend driving a car with it on the interstate and try letting it track a leading car. Try it on a two lane road with speed changes too.

Regarding the V6 versus V8 engine: I have the 4.6 V8 and am amazed by the power. It is the most powerful car I've ever driven. Now, the number of times I've had the throttle down more than 75% could be counted on one hand, so a valid question is what am I getting from the extra power. I suggest you drive both of them on the interstate, get up to 70, and see how the power feels when accelerating to 85.

By the way, the Genesis is a fantastic car. It is by far the nicest car I've ever owned. As you can tell by browsing this forum, Genesis owners love their cars. I've never seen another car forum that had such a devoted following. Compare a Genesis feature-by-feature, specs, size, exterior/interior looks with a BMW 550i, and I think you will find the Genesis is a good match. The 550i costs $26k more.

 

[Mark_888]

Now, the number of times I've had the throttle down more than 75% could be counted on one hand, so a valid question is what am I getting from the extra power.

Ditto with the V6.

For the first few months, every time I accelerated when traffic light turned to green (when first in line) I looked in my rear view mirror and could not figure out why the other people were so far behind me after just few seconds. I have had to learn to ease off the throttle compared to other cars I have driven.

 

[sherrod]

Ditto with the V6.

For the first few months, every time I accelerated when traffic light turned to green (when first in line) I looked in my rear view mirror and could not figure out why the other people were so far behind me after just few seconds. I have had to learn to ease off the throttle compared to other cars I have driven.

Yep. Been there, done that. It definitely takes an adjustment to switch from other cars to a Genesis.

I used to own a Toyota Supra that had a lot of power, but it wasn't in the same league with the Genesis. I've driven my wife's BMW 330xi, but it can't touch the Genesis. My wife used to own a twin-turbo Dodge Stealth; it had a lot of power once you got the turbines spinning at high RPM, but it was sluggish at low RPM coming off a stop. There's nothing like a big V8 to get you moving.

I've always held the position "You can't have too much power in a car". Well, the 4.6 may not be too much power, but it is more than enough for me.

I find it challenging to drive my Genesis below 40 MPH. The throttle is barely cracked. The difference in foot position between 30 MPH and 40 MPH is barely perceptable. That's one of the reasons I use smart cruise control on 40 MPH roads. Heck, even at 75 MPH, it's only turning at 2000 RPM.

 

[Bocatrip]

Hyundai has been growing and improving their products in such leaps and bounds in a relatively short period of time. Taking this into consideration, I am planning on waiting for the 2011s to see the latest in improvements while benefiting with some refreshening of the body. It's not like the pricing will jump beyond affordability.