A little out of my price range and the QF's have a lot of mechanical issues - the turbo 4 is pretty reliable & it's quite easy to tune them for an additional 40 hp with a simple ECU flash. Which enables them to get down in the low 4's for 0-60.If you get Giulia, get the Quadrifoglio with the 2.9 liter Twin-Turbo V6this is insane car
Smart move.
To be fair , the 2020 and newer Alfa Romero Giulia with the turbo 4 seem like a decent engine that is an easy to maintain engine. The early 2017 models had some annoying plastic bleeder screws on the coolant hoses that cracked which lead to coolant leaks, but are easy to fix and upgrade to a metal bleeder screw. The other early model issues are relay(aux water pump and some other circuit) related that are easy to fix as well. Not a perfect car but easy to sort out.
If you're drinking the Piedmont Grappa - One is likely to get a couple of things right... The 4 cyl. ones don't seem to be problematic - I wouldn't touch the turbo v6 though.
Yeah - 2020 & later have some useful improvements in infotainment as well. Faster processors & the addition of a touchscreen and some more driver aids. Also, better interior build quality. As far as electrical gremlins go, these cars are very sensitive to battery condition - if you get below 70%. lots of weirdness starts to happen. Of course, that's more & more common with newer cars not just Alfas.
I "almost" considered a 500 horsepower used low mileage 2017 Giulia QF model with the turbo V6 that is at my local dealer, but I read some negative reviews of that monster engine and had to keep my Alfa dream limited to the turbo 4. I am trying to keep my budget under $40k and that used QF super-car was right at my limit.
Well, if you are shopping, try out the Stinger GT2 in AWD. I promise it won't disappoint for "fun to drive". The torque vectoring and LSD alone makes it way more nimble and the 0-60 time is a lot quicker than a G80.I "almost" considered a 500 horsepower used low mileage 2017 Giulia QF model with the turbo V6 that is at my local dealer, but I read some negative reviews of that monster engine and had to keep my Alfa dream limited to the turbo 4. I am trying to keep my budget under $40k and that used QF super-car was right at my limit.
However, I am not going to replace my Genesis for a much harder to maintain used car like the QF. However, most of the newer(2017+) turbo engines seem to have some type of annoying issue regardless of the model from any brand I check out.
My goal now is to buy a used car that is easy to sort out with aftermarket support and is fun to drive(Alfa Giulia Ti ,Volvo S60 R-design,maybe Lexus F-sport ES) or at-least is very very comfortable and quick(Volvo S90 R-design).
I may put a used Stinger on the list as well. I just do not want to deal with Hyundai part supply issues if a repair happens out of warranty before I sell it in the future or if I decide keep the car pass 100k miles when problems generally happen. My local non-dealer import shops do not service Hyundai engines, so I have to keep that in mind. However, the other makes like Volvo, Lexus, and even Alfa Romero has import shops that service them in my area. The auto makes mentioned also has a big part supply network outside of the dealership.
The turbo 3.3 will prob have more support just because they'll end up making a lot more of them... It's hard to find a 5.0 anything after the turbo 3.5 started showing up in G90s, G80s, then Stingers and G70s around 2018 or so.
I have considered it's cousin - the G70. I've driven several Stinger GT2's & they just didn't do it for me. They seem kinda big, like a G80. But they go like stink though and the transmission seems much more sorted out. I need to get some seat time in a G70 turbo V6 to see if like that more... Problem is finding one in the spec I want.
I hear you. I do not like the exterior Stinger styling, but it does seem nice on the inside.
The styling on the pre-facelift G70's doesn't bother me - I just kinda hate the way the infotainment screen is mounted in a ridiculously thick bezel & just arbitrarily stuck on the dash like an afterthought... Rather jarring in comparison to how much attention that was spent elsewhere.
I just love the look(inside and out) and performance of the new (2022+)G70 and it may be my next ride since CPO used models still get the 100k mile power-train and 5 year bumper-to-bumper coverage.
Hi, thanks for the info. What did you do about your shifting problems?Ok I just passed 152k miles I'm no car guy but here are the nuisance stuff I can remember...
Shifting problems where the heat would get stuck and it wouldn't shift into drive or wouldn't go into park.
The start/stop button malfunctioned which caused an embarrassing problem of not being able to turn the car off. Dealer replaced now it's fine.
Starter went out and it cost me $1k. Car wouldn't start but now it's fine.
Backup camera went out a few years ago. Haven't replaced due to the next item on this list
The last thing here is something I'm going to write a separate post about. After all the other repairs I finally figured I want the backup camera fixed. It's about 850 but when I pull up to drop it off my guy at the dealership makes a face. Says he heard something weird with the engine, one every 3 to 4 months it would stutter for a minute but never cut off. But this time my guy had someone take a look and says the engine won't least much longer. Told me not to fix the camera and start getting my money right for a new car soon. Disappointed I check dealer prices and no one wants to give me more than 6500 for it. I get a second opinion from a local mechanic and he says the car engine seems okay but he doesn't think it's about to go. That was 6 months ago. I haven't had any major issues with it sense
Hi, thanks for that info. Can you elaborate on the transmission failure, were there symptoms you can identify prior to complete failure? I am experiencing some high rpm flaring when I go too heavy on the accelerator, but there is a TSB that cites flaring so not sure if it is an indication of clutch plate wear or the solenoid valve failure.
It had a moderate flare in the upper gears before it failed. Now it just doesn't like any torque at all. I can tease it into 5th gently but it will start slipping if more than cruising throttle applied. 6th can engage if coasting and barely on the throttle, 7th and 8th are so soft that I can't feel them engage at all.
Thanks for the reply.
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