2016 Audi A8 L - The bar is still pretty high

[Nikgen]

Jeez. Last time to try and expalin: I related a story of a friends new A8 and highlighted its fit, finish and MMI system which exceeds the Hyundai. I said it is not in the same class. That's it. The same basic focus of the post could also be said of the other Audi models, which are more of a direct competitor.

I am tempted now to post a thread comparing the Genesis to a GE refrigerator just see everyone flip out

I'm not flipping out - I agree with you - I seemed others were not.

 

[Nikgen]

Its not irrelevant if you make the comparison between a new Genesis and a 2 or 3 year old Audi A8. A 3 year old A8 that's certified with a bumper to bumper warranty can be cleaned up to look like new since the quality of materials in the Audi is excellent.

I decided to go with the Genesis because, unlike most people, I'm retired and expect to keep the car the better part of 10 years.

But to be dismissive and say the comparison is "irrelevant" is unhelpful.

And where were we saying this was about comparing a current year Genesis to a 2-3 year old A8? Regardless, the 2-3 year old A8 is still a much nicer car as I personally saw in my co-workers CPO. Warranty would be the main driver to choose a new Genesis. But you better get the 10 year extended on everything if you really want to keep it for 10 years.

 

[nickpike]

The A8L here starts at 67k GBP. So god knows what it costs when loaded with the same spec as the G2.
I paid 30k GBP (40% off) for an "ex demonstrator" with 209 miles on the clock and the remains of the warranty, road side assistance (4.75 years remaining) and 5 years free servicing. I'm more than happy with my G2.

I'm thinking of test driving the A8 to satisfy my sense of curiosity. I'm not sure how the Audi could be 'much better'. Is it really worth much more than double the price?

EDIT. I did a build configuration and a similar spec A8L is 87k GBP. One thing about Audi, the alloy wheels look dreadful compared to the beautifully sculptured look of mine on the G2, one of the best features of the car's design.
I'm very happy with my G2.

 

[ksoze]

I'm thinking of test driving the A8 to satisfy my sense of curiosity. I'm not sure how the Audi could be 'much better'. Is it really worth much more than double the price?

nick - no one here is saying the A8 is worth twice the price. Some are, but they aren't here. What was stated is that it has an enviable fit and finish, robust technology platform and some well executed features not on the Genesis. I doubt and Audi A8 buyers would consider a Genesis and vice a versa.

 

[Fight4Hemp]

I doubt and Audi A8 buyers would consider a Genesis and vice a versa.

I wouldn't say that, getting a base v8 g2 for 38k (rebate) would make anyone think twice even the audi faithful.

 

[ksoze]

I wouldn't say that, getting a base v8 g2 for 38k (rebate) would make anyone think twice even the audi faithful.

Anyone seriously shopping a new A8 is not a likely Hyundai target. The A6 buyer may be tempted, but the likely well-heeled A8 buyer is usually willing to pay the premium for the pinnacle of Audi's line up. The fact the Genesis is so discounted may play well to the value buyers, but an $100K Audi shopper will view that as evidence the car is a discount luxury vehicle.

 

[Fight4Hemp]

Anyone seriously shopping a new A8 is not a likely Hyundai target. The A6 buyer may be tempted, but the likely well-heeled A8 buyer is usually willing to pay the premium for the pinnacle of Audi's line up. The fact the Genesis is so discounted may play well to the value buyers, but an $100K Audi shopper will view that as evidence the car is a discount luxury vehicle.

No doubt if your looking for the loaded model. Alot of people just get the base to say they own a A8, in which case I could see someone picking the g2 or even the g90 over the A8. I read your op which was well written and I'm not hating on it at all but I can see hyundai scooping up some of A8 sales eventually. I never personally sat in the new A8 or A8L myself so just brainstorming as usual lol.

 

[Alwaysforward]

ksoze, Thank You for your evaluation of the A8. Much appreciated. Not a car that I would run out and buy but I like your evaluation of it and look forward to seeing the comparisons that come out when the G90 arrives.

 

[Genentec]

remove the money factor and the dh genesis IMO is more of a a7 or a8. It's a full sized, rear wheel drive sedan with a 420 hp option that can now be had for about 37k new.

also one has to realize all the features, options and technology in the audi a6, a7 and a8 are very temporary.....they don't last. all major mechanical partz of the audi can be expected to fail at about 50k to 100k miles. It's useless how many speeds a transmission has if it breaks down at 50k miles leaving u with 10k repair tab. the car is for fools.

it doesnt matter how great the technology is if its only expected to last 50k miles.

u can bank a bit more with hyundai I'd say.

the genesis is literally half the price now with double the warranty coverage, and u can expect it to be reliable far beyond the warranty expiration.

the audi is like playing russian roulette with your money from start to finish. even with genesis low resale value, you will be far worse with the audi.

 

[jimb100]

remove the money factor and the dh genesis IMO is more of a a7 or a8. It's a full sized, rear wheel drive sedan with a 420 hp option that can now be had for about 37k new.

also one has to realize all the features, options and technology in the audi a6, a7 and a8 are very temporary.....they don't last. all major mechanical partz of the audi can be expected to fail at about 50k to 100k miles. It's useless how many speeds a transmission has if it breaks down at 50k miles leaving u with 10k repair tab. the car is for fools.

it doesnt matter how great the technology is if its only expected to last 50k miles.

u can bank a bit more with hyundai I'd say.

the genesis is literally half the price now with double the warranty coverage, and u can expect it to be reliable far beyond the warranty expiration.

the audi is like playing russian roulette with your money from start to finish. even with genesis low resale value, you will be far worse with the audi.

You don't seem to understand that the target market for the Audi A8 is not the "value" shopper.

The .01%er with 3 or 4 cars is their market. If they donate the car to Good Will at 50K miles it doesn't affect their lifestyle.

If the Genesis were the equal of the A8 in every respect, Audi would still sell A8s and probably in the same number.

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[srobak]

Huh??? There is a huge difference between the 2 cars! For starters, the G90 is much larger, you can get AWD with the 5.0 (and the 3.3 TT) and the interior is a class above (and then some)!

This. To think there is not a difference is to say you haven't even looked at the pictures - let alone been to one of the auto shows to see one of the 3 production line units that were on display at them.

I stated in the OP it was not a direct competitor due to size, but the fit, finish and attention to detail were striking enough to bring up.

And again - this is a different class of car. You could say the exact same things about the differences in fit & finish of an A4 or 6 vs. the 8. By trying to pit anything of the G2 against an A8 it is not even an issue of apples and oranges - but more of apples & t-bone steaks.

It's a compliment that this car can be compared with a car twice the price.

Yet in the same post you basically said that they don't/can't compare. Which is a true statement - and makes it to be a moot comparison in the first place. Compare teh G90 to the 8. At least then we are in the same ballpark.

Size isn't the reason it's not a direct competitor. Price is.

I partly disagree with this. As someone else said - you can equally equip a 550 to a G2V8 and have almost a 2x difference in price... however - they would in fact be direct competitors... having practically nothing to do with price. At the same time the G2V6 is NOT a competitor to anything in the 3 series - as it car out-classes it. The G2/80 target market is (again) the 5 series, A6, and E class buyers. Not anyone who is shopping above or below those marks.

Audi is a competitor to the Genesis, Bentley is not.

Specifically - the Audi A6 is a competitor to the G2/80. The A8 is not. That being said - not even the A8 is a competitor to absolutely any model from Bentley.

Don't get me wrong - the Genesis is a great vehicle and the value is there. But trying to compare it to an A8 is pretty much irrelevant.

Yeup. At least for the G80. The G90 is a different story. It still doesn't get _quite_ to A8 refinement & luxury... but it gets awfully close for a whole lot less money.

Its not irrelevant if you make the comparison between a new Genesis and a 2 or 3 year old Audi A8.

Actually - that's even more irrelevant than trying to compare the new ones. C'mon guys... this isn't rocket science. An A8 of any year or of trim is NOT a comparison vehicle for a G1 or G2. Until the G90 - Hyundai does not have a vehicle which can be compared against an A8 by any standard.

But to be dismissive and say the comparison is "irrelevant" is unhelpful.

helpful or not - it is quite simply the truth. It's like trying to compare a Ford Ranger with an F-150 back in the day. Despite their similarities - they do not compare or compete with each other.

I related a story of a friends new A8 and highlighted its fit, finish and MMI system which exceeds the Hyundai. I said it is not in the same class. That's it.

You could accomplish the same thing by putting his A8 next to your neighbor's A6. The 8 would exceed the 6 in almost every category that you said the G2 paled in. Now - put the 6 next to the G2 and that list gets significantly smaller.

I am tempted now to post a thread comparing the Genesis to a GE refrigerator just see everyone flip out

It's not about flipping out... it's about comparing like items. And sorry - but yeah - the comparisons that a couple people are making are make about as much sense as the fridge being compared to the car. There isn't really a whole lot of logical point in doing that.

The A6 is probably closer to the Genesis. I did compare an A6, a CTS, and a BMW 5 series when I purchased the Genesis.

Bingo. Proper class comparisons.

I think the Audi's paint and sheet metal are comparable to Audi.

I sure as hell hope so!

Engine, transmission, in terms of gas mileage, reliability, very comparable.

Nope. Not even close - at least on the engine, trans and reliability. Out of the box - the Audi engine and trans are awesome. After that 4 year, 60-75k mark - the engine reliability starts to nosedive, and quickly so. The current-gen ZFs are much better transmissions than they were in the previous... so they do last a fair amount longer and are silky smooth. But also in that 80-100k mark they too start to need some pretty expensive love. All of this is where the Hyundai warranty beats the snot out of almost anything the Germans have to offer.

Suspension, Audi here may have a slight edge but more due to size than any intrinsic quality difference.

As in component size or vehicle size? If the latter - I disagree. The road-feel and overall handling you get out of VW, Audi and BMW is night and day different from the G2, and I would imagine also from the G90. Is it more than acceptable? Absolutely. But the G2 suspension is set up much more on the touring side of a "sport/touring sedan" - while the A6 and 5 series (and the Passat even) us much more on the sport side.

Interior fit, materials and design seem to be where the big difference lies. Well, that and status.

Yes - the Germans are a step up for the most part on the interior... but the G2 is more than "close enough" to warrant the price difference, and you still feel very much in the lap of luxury in it. The G90's interior is even more refined and luxurious.

So, can you compare the Audi and the Genesis? I don't see why not.

You can. But like-items. A6 v. G2/80. A8 v. G90. Not the other way around.

Anyone seriously shopping a new A8 is not a likely Hyundai target. The A6 buyer may be tempted, but the likely well-heeled A8 buyer is usually willing to pay the premium for the pinnacle of Audi's line up. The fact the Genesis is so discounted may play well to the value buyers, but an $100K Audi shopper will view that as evidence the car is a discount luxury vehicle.

The A8 shopper is not the target customer for the G2. The A6 shopper is. The A8 customer might be expecting to part with 100k on the 8... but when you offer him an equally or better equipped G90 for 25k+ less.... he just might take a pretty hard look at it. The A6, E and 5 shoppers did when they bought their G2s. Not in droves - not by any stretch... but enough to make a difference and for the Germans to take notice.

No doubt if your looking for the loaded model. Alot of people just get the base to say they own a A8, in which case I could see someone picking the g2 or even the g90 over the A8.

This is the customer I am referring to above.

ksoze look forward to seeing the comparisons that come out when the G90 arrives.

These are the comparisons I am looking forward to as well. Until then - any other out-of-class comparisons like what we have been seeing are pointless, really.

 

[jimb100]

This. To think there is not a difference is to say you haven't even looked at the pictures - let alone been to one of the auto shows to see one of the 3 production line units that were on display at them.



And again - this is a different class of car. You could say the exact same things about the differences in fit & finish of an A4 or 6 vs. the 8. By trying to pit anything of the G2 against an A8 it is not even an issue of apples and oranges - but more of apples & t-bone steaks.



Yet in the same post you basically said that they don't/can't compare. Which is a true statement - and makes it to be a moot comparison in the first place. Compare teh G90 to the 8. At least then we are in the same ballpark.



I partly disagree with this. As someone else said - you can equally equip a 550 to a G2V8 and have almost a 2x difference in price... however - they would in fact be direct competitors... having practically nothing to do with price. At the same time the G2V6 is NOT a competitor to anything in the 3 series - as it car out-classes it. The G2/80 target market is (again) the 5 series, A6, and E class buyers. Not anyone who is shopping above or below those marks.



Specifically - the Audi A6 is a competitor to the G2/80. The A8 is not. That being said - not even the A8 is a competitor to absolutely any model from Bentley.



Yeup. At least for the G80. The G90 is a different story. It still doesn't get _quite_ to A8 refinement & luxury... but it gets awfully close for a whole lot less money.



Actually - that's even more irrelevant than trying to compare the new ones. C'mon guys... this isn't rocket science. An A8 of any year or of trim is NOT a comparison vehicle for a G1 or G2. Until the G90 - Hyundai does not have a vehicle which can be compared against an A8 by any standard.



helpful or not - it is quite simply the truth. It's like trying to compare a Ford Ranger with an F-150 back in the day. Despite their similarities - they do not compare or compete with each other.



You could accomplish the same thing by putting his A8 next to your neighbor's A6. The 8 would exceed the 6 in almost every category that you said the G2 paled in. Now - put the 6 next to the G2 and that list gets significantly smaller.



It's not about flipping out... it's about comparing like items. And sorry - but yeah - the comparisons that a couple people are making are make about as much sense as the fridge being compared to the car. There isn't really a whole lot of logical point in doing that.



Bingo. Proper class comparisons.



I sure as hell hope so!



Nope. Not even close - at least on the engine, trans and reliability. Out of the box - the Audi engine and trans are awesome. After that 4 year, 60-75k mark - the engine reliability starts to nosedive, and quickly so. The current-gen ZFs are much better transmissions than they were in the previous... so they do last a fair amount longer and are silky smooth. But also in that 80-100k mark they too start to need some pretty expensive love. All of this is where the Hyundai warranty beats the snot out of almost anything the Germans have to offer.



As in component size or vehicle size? If the latter - I disagree. The road-feel and overall handling you get out of VW, Audi and BMW is night and day different from the G2, and I would imagine also from the G90. Is it more than acceptable? Absolutely. But the G2 suspension is set up much more on the touring side of a "sport/touring sedan" - while the A6 and 5 series (and the Passat even) us much more on the sport side.



Yes - the Germans are a step up for the most part on the interior... but the G2 is more than "close enough" to warrant the price difference, and you still feel very much in the lap of luxury in it. The G90's interior is even more refined and luxurious.



You can. But like-items. A6 v. G2/80. A8 v. G90. Not the other way around.



The A8 shopper is not the target customer for the G2. The A6 shopper is. The A8 customer might be expecting to part with 100k on the 8... but when you offer him an equally or better equipped G90 for 25k+ less.... he just might take a pretty hard look at it. The A6, E and 5 shoppers did when they bought their G2s. Not in droves - not by any stretch... but enough to make a difference and for the Germans to take notice.



This is the customer I am referring to above.



These are the comparisons I am looking forward to as well. Until then - any other out-of-class comparisons like what we have been seeing are pointless, really.

It's easy to say you can't compare the A8 to the Genesis and lots of people will nod and agree that you can't compare cars where one is half the price of the other. Just like people say you can't compare a Corvette and a 911, or an M Beemer with a Camaro.

But the car mags do, all the time. And lately, the results have been eye opening. Turns out not only can you compare them, the cheaper cars are coming out on top.

I'm hearing a lot of huffing and puffing about how the Audi A8 can't be compared to the Genesis but there's not a lot of evidence to make the point.

So go down the list.

Exterior paint - The paint on my Genesis is easily the equal of the A8 or a Benz S class. Its better than the paint on the SL my wife got rid of last year.

Exterior fit and finish - I guess I'm missing the big difference here. Fit and finish on my Genesis is excellent. Style? IMHO, the Genesis has all the style of an A8 or S class.

Solid Chassis/ Structural integrity - Maybe its the lack of a fold down rear seat but I never feel chassis flex in the Genesis.

Engine/Trans - The 5.0 might not be the most technologically advanced in terms of cylinder deactivation, etc. but it puts out the power. Any difference in acceleration or response compared to the Audi V8 is likely due to differences in weight. The Genesis is quicker than the S class 550.

Suspension - Again, I like the size of the Genesis but the weight penalty affects handling. Ride quality as a touring car, the Genesis rides as nice as either the A8 or the S Class.

Interior - here's where the Germans are smart. They put a ton of money into the interior because most people oooh and ahhhh over the interior and are willing to spend for it. I like a comfortable car and I'm unwilling to give up a nice interior, but the interior of the Genesis is a very nice place to be.

If you want to say the Audi outclasses the Genesis you need to be a little more specific about what's better, because I don't see it except in the interior and, maybe a couple of miles per gallon which I really don't care about, at all.

Of course if you don't feel you can drive a car without AWD and you want a V8 in the USA, then there is no comparison for you.

 

[Jaeger]

srobak nailed it.

 

[Nikgen]

Engine/Trans - The 5.0 might not be the most technologically advanced in terms of cylinder deactivation, etc. but it puts out the power. Any difference in acceleration or response compared to the Audi V8 is likely due to differences in weight. The Genesis is quicker than the S class 550.

You said to cite data, so let's see:

Audi 4.0 T: 450 hp @5,100 rpm / 444 lb-ft @1,500 rpm
Genesis 5.0: 420 hp @6,000 rpm / 383 lb-ft @5,000 rpm

Vehicle weights:
A8 4.0 T: 4,672 lb (Car & Driver)
Genesis 5.0: 4,601 lb (C&D)

0-60
A8 4.0 T: 3.9 sec (C&D)
Genesis 5.0 : 5.0 sec (C&D), 5.2 sec (Motor Trend)

1/4 mile:
A8 4.0 T: 12.4 sec @113 mph (C&D),
Genesis 5.0 : 13.6 sec @ 105 mph (C&D) , 13.7 sec @ 104.1 mph (MT)

Hmmm... By a certain someone's definition (not mine), I think this means that the A8 4.0 T makes the Genesis 5.0 "sluggish"!

Of course if you don't feel you can drive a car without AWD and you want a V8 in the USA, then there is no comparison for you.

And once again, we have the ignorant dig at AWD. Obviously, you don't understand it. But then again, you don't feel that you can drive a car without a V8 while the VAST majority of people on the road have the skills to do so. It's about choices but, of course, only your choice seems to be valid...

 

[srobak]

But the car mags do, all the time. And lately, the results have been eye opening. Turns out not only can you compare them, the cheaper cars are coming out on top.

I haven't seen a single comparison of a G2 to a 7, A8 or S class. Not one. The only comparisons I have seen to that effect are in this very forum. There have also only been a very few select comparisons in the trade rags & sites of in-class vehicles such as the 5, A6 and E class. Like I mentioned earlier - I am about willing to bet the Germans are actually paying off the trade reviewers to NOT compare them - and for the very reason you mention... the cheaper car comes out on top when going bang-for-buck. However - the bulk of the actual in-class comparisons I have seen have all been on independent reviewers on youtube or a handful of relatively un-sponsored sites.

I'm hearing a lot of huffing and puffing about how the Audi A8 can't be compared to the Genesis but there's not a lot of evidence to make the point.

Site one trade rag/site comparison of the two.

Exterior paint - The paint on my Genesis is easily the equal of the [...] Benz S class.

Not a chance. It is even below that of the A8... but if there is one thing that Merc is doing quite well it is their paint. Multiple, high-quality coats of lacquer with zero defect, ripple or orange peel, and then several coats of clear. The G2 is E-dipped.

Its better than the paint on the SL my wife got rid of last year.

Of what vintage? Unless it wasn't taken care of (which constitutes far more than just washing) - if it was less than 8 years old I wouldn't have any confidence in that claim at all.

Engine/Trans - The 5.0 might not be the most technologically advanced in terms of cylinder deactivation, etc. but it puts out the power. Any difference in acceleration or response compared to the Audi V8 is likely due to differences in weight. The Genesis is quicker than the S class 550.

Of course it is quicker than both of those. It is a different class of car that weighs ~500+ lbs less. That being said - people don't buy S550's and A8s for 0-60 times. They might indeed be quite powerful - but they are also large touring sedans. The G2 is a full-size (by today's terms) - yet significantly smaller and lighter, SPORT/touring sedan. Akin to a 5 series or A6. It is not a luxobarge like the S550 or the A8. The G90 is.

Suspension - Again, I like the size of the Genesis but the weight penalty affects handling. Ride quality as a touring car, the Genesis rides as nice as either the A8 or the S Class.

I like the ride of the G2 as well. Very much. It is great for the kind of driving I do - both long and short distance. But it is not nearly as connected to the road as the 8 (and even less-so than the same-class 6), and nowhere near as supple as the S. Is the ride worth the difference in price for me to go to a comparably equipped A6 (nevermind the near doubly-priced, upper-class A8 or S class) - no.

Interior - here's where the Germans are smart. They put a ton of money into the interior because most people oooh and ahhhh over the interior and are willing to spend for it. I like a comfortable car and I'm unwilling to give up a nice interior, but the interior of the Genesis is a very nice place to be.

There are 2 big reasons for this:
Former Chief Engineer of BMW - Albert Biermann.
Former Director of Design of Audi - Peter Schreyer.

Both of these folks now hold high-ranking design and leadership positions within HMC - and their former design language and influence is present and obvious all over the interiors of the G2/80, G90 and even the Sonata.

If you want to say the Audi outclasses the Genesis you need to be a little more specific about what's better, because I don't see it

I have been specific in multiple previous posts, as well as this one.

My primary complaint with this and a couple of other "comparison" threads is that they don't make sense. They are NOT comparing same-class cars.

You cannot compare even within the same brand without changing classes...

Examples: A4 vs A6 vs A8. 3 completely different cars, different classes of cars and with different target buyers. Yes - they might all share some design queues inside and out and some even share engines and transmissions. But they are still completely different cars that you cannot do an apples-to-apples comparison between to prove that one is on-par with the other - regardless of the pricetag. As you go up the foodchain within the brand - not only do you get increased size, but you also get less plastic on the inside, more high quality interior, more powerful engine options, more toys and creature comforts, more refined styling and accents inside and out, quieter/smoother/better handling.

BMW 3, 5, 7 series. Exact same deal.
Merc C, E, S classes.
Lexus ES, GS, LS
Caddy ATS, CTS, XTS
etc

Genesis is no different. Other than the fact that they only had 2 players in the game (G1/2 and Equus) instead of 3... as it's own brand name they too will have completely different classes of sedans - each one lining up against the 3 same-class vehicles from other manufacturers. They will be the G70, G80 and G90.

I cannot understand why people in this thread keep insisting to compare the G2 with out-of-class vehicles, regardless of the price. The only real price comparison it lets you do is also within class - but at lesser class prices... ie:

The loaded G2 gets you into a loaded A6/5-series/E classification car for the price of a loaded A4/3-series/C. Past that - there are no price OR class comparisons to make - because nothing about the G2 puts it in the same class as an A8/7-series/S - not by price, features, lux, size, target audience, etc.

Once the G90 comes out... then you have that ability. It will put you into an A8/7-series/S class comparable car at the price of an A6/5-series/S.

 

[srobak]

remove the money factor and the dh genesis IMO is more of a a7 or a8. It's a full sized, rear wheel drive sedan with a 420 hp option that can now be had for about 37k new.

Wrong on almost every account.

It is more of an A6... and maybe just grazes and A7. Yes - it is full-size (by today's standards)... however - the A8 is not. The A8, 7 and S are all considered "large"... akin to a Crown Vic, Grand Marq or Town Car. The G90 will also be labelled as such.

also one has to realize all the features, options and technology in the audi a6, a7 and a8 are very temporary.....they don't last. all major mechanical partz of the audi can be expected to fail at about 50k to 100k miles.

In case you haven't noticed from the multiple threads about them - the G2/80 has it's fair share of technical problems too... and at very low ages/miles. Thankfully it is all covered under warranty - which for people who purchased should have also gotten HPP if they were smart. Otherwise - they are going to be in the exact same boat as the Audi owner when the warranty expires and the head unit, sunroof, whatever - craps out again.

Now, some of this is attributable to the massive redesign on practically EVERYTHING in the G2 vs. the G1. I don't think there is a single shared component between the 2 - especially on the tech side. By going completely fresh it is like starting over... instead of isolating and refining the problematic items there were in the previous generation. Let's hope that Genesis doesn't make the same mistake when they do the next significant refresh for the G80 - likely to be in 2019.

 

[ksoze]

I cannot understand why people in this thread keep insisting to compare the G2 with out-of-class vehicles, regardless of the price. The only real price comparison it lets you do is also within class...

You are way too hung up on car class to see the point. The OP was not about that. It was about some traits which are in the A8 (and the Audi sedan family) where the Genesis could take some clues to enhance the car. This includes multimedia/nav and fit & finish. Small details count in the luxury sedan market and switchgear from your economy cars parts bin and dearth of configurable user settings can effect the overall experience in an other wise excellent car.

I used Audi's large car as an example of what works well - never suggested anyone would compare the two to buy one over the other. I specifically picked things from the Audi I would like to see better on the already very good Genesis. If you don't like how I did that, get over it.

 

[Nikgen]

You are way too hung up on car class to see the point. The OP was not about that. It was about some traits which are in the A8 (and the Audi sedan family) where the Genesis could take some clues to enhance the car. This includes multimedia/nav and fit & finish. Small details count in the luxury sedan market and switchgear from your economy cars parts bin and dearth of configurable user settings can effect the overall experience in an other wise excellent car.

I used Audi's large car as an example of what works well - never suggested anyone would compare the two to buy one over the other. I specifically picked things from the Audi I would like to see better on the already very good Genesis. If you don't like how I did that, get over it.

I agree with you and the G90 seems to be doing just that. It was others that seemed to be making a case for the Genesis comparing favorably to an A8.

 

[srobak]

You are way too hung up on car class to see the point. The OP was not about that. It was about some traits which are in the A8 (and the Audi sedan family) where the Genesis could take some clues to enhance the car. This includes multimedia/nav and fit & finish. Small details count in the luxury sedan market and switchgear from your economy cars parts bin and dearth of configurable user settings can effect the overall experience in an other wise excellent car.

I used Audi's large car as an example of what works well - never suggested anyone would compare the two to buy one over the other. I specifically picked things from the Audi I would like to see better on the already very good Genesis. If you don't like how I did that, get over it.

Yes - it is an example of what works well. That is why you find similar traits in the 7 series and the S class - but do not find it in the A6, the 5 series, the E class or the G2/80.

The traits you itemize above as being outstanding in the A8 will indeed also be outstanding in the G90... the class of car which carries that (yes) CLASS of trait. Just like they are in the 7 series and the S class. Apples & apples.

The quality & traits you find in a 5 series or an A6 you will also find in the G2/80. Oranges & oranges.

 

[ksoze]

Yes - it is an example of what works well. That is why you find similar traits in the 7 series and the S class - but do not find it in the A6, the 5 series, the E class or the G2/80.

Wrong. Again. The Google-driven MMI system, user configurable settings and fit and finish are found across Audi's line. I found them superior to the already fine Genesis. Will it be better in the upcoming G's - I don't know, they are not out yet. But I have pointed out some things that could be better and used a car series as an example. The items I pointed out are not "class" related, which you have let cloud your ability to understand the point of the OP. Would I get an A6 over the Genesis. No, but much of that decision this time was price and TCO.