Wrong. Again. The Google-driven MMI system, user configurable settings and fit and finish are found across Audi's line.
And again - user settings, fit, finish and other aspects are different across Audi's line. The further down the line you go - the more plastic you find. The 6 and the 4 are still very good quality, refinement, fit and finish - but they are not to the level of the 8. This is part of what defines the different classes of automobiles. The G2 is close but does fall short of the A6 in these categories... but it is a lot closer to it than it is to the 8.
Will it be better in the upcoming G's - I don't know, they are not out yet.
The G80 is essentially "out" as it will be unchanged from the current G2 until the next model refresh - likely in 2019.
The items I pointed out are not "class" related, which you have let cloud your ability to understand the point of the OP.
Yes, they are indeed class related - as they improve within a brand across the different classes of cars. I've been over this. It holds true in the A's, the BMWs, the Mercs, the Caddies and the Lexi. I am sorry if you cannot see, understand, don't know about or cannot appreciate the differences in things like fit & finish, mechanical components and overall quality between the classes within the same brand - but that does not change the fact that they are indeed present, and contribute significantly to the price differences between each class within any individual brand.
Would I get an A6 over the Genesis. No, but much of that decision this time was price and TCO.
Which has been part of my point all along. The G2 gets you into an A6-class car at a significant discount on day 1, cheaper to run over the life of the car due to better component quality, better&longer warranty and cheaper maintenance combined with a significantly longer usable life and lesser depreciation. This is a huge win across all respects vs. a same-class car from the Germans.
the fact that we are comparing it with the a8 is a very good thing.
There are 3 (three) people on this site that are comparing it with the A8, ad nauseum. Yes - it IS a good thing to a degree. It is good when recognizing the value that the G2 gives.... however - it is
not a good thing when you start pointing out deficiencies in the G2 vs. the A8... once again - because it is a completely different class of car. The list of differences and deficiencies can easily be made into a long one for all the criteria that has been states in the OP as well as those by people trying to compare it to an A8 since.
You also get a similarly long list if you try pitting an A6 against an A8 - and for the same reasons.
When you pit the G2 against the A6 - that list gets a whole lot shorter.
i remember people used to compare the g1 to the c class, now people compare it to the s class and a8.
However - an apples to apples comparison would be to the E class and the A6. The G90 is the more appropriate vehicle to line up against the S and the A8. The reality of things is that the
Equus is currently the only Hyundai which can be lined up against the S, A8 and the 7 series... and it ends up with a very long list of necessary improvements as well. This is what the G90 will give us. The list will be much shorter from the G90 than it is in both the Equus and the G2/80.
to be fair to the g2 genesis, u have to compare it with the bigger s class and a8 sedans. the underpinnings are that of a large car full size sedan.
That is about the most inaccurate and ridiculous thing I have read in this thread so far. The "underpinnings", overpinnings and anypinnings (lolz) are far more on-par with a full-size sedan like the E350, 5 series and A6 than they are of what is classified as a "large car" such as the A8, 7, and S.
its a great car and we are lucky to have quality reliable alternative.
Yes it is, and yes we are. This was never in dispute. I love mine - and I will take it any day of the week over a comparable-class vehicle... because every one of them from every manufacturer (German, Japanese, European, American or otherwise) is beat in most if not all of the following categories: Initial price, TOC, quality, longevity, warranty, overall bang-for-buck.
as for the ride quality, I think its one heck of a balanced car. IMO it's a fun car to drive and as good if not better than rivals that cost double. when hyundai said they let lotus fine tune it they were not kidding. It's not just a marketing gimmick.
Yes, it is a very well balanced car..... but again - for a sport/touring sedan - it is much more on the touring side - as is the comparable E... however the 5 and the A6 are more on the sport side. Yes, Lotus was a part of it, and yes it shows... it is leaps and bounds over what the ride of the G1 and Azera were.
I don't know what A6 you are looking at but I parked next to one yesterday and gave it a good looking over. No comparison to a Genesis 5.0 Ultimate. Not inside, not outside. Of course, if you just like a smaller car, don't buy the Genesis, but don't say the A6 compares favorably to the Genesis, because it doesn't.
WHAT are you smoking? Granted - exterior appearance impression varies by taste... but while certainly different from the G2, it is every bit as sharp and refined looking, if not moreso. It also has the G2 beat on interior fit & finish, quality, the famous "switchgear" and with far less plastic bits. Also - you might want to get a new tape measure... because after accounting for 0.75 inches narrower and 0.5 inches sqautter - the A6 makes up for it by being a full 2.5 inches longer. They are in essence - the same size.
Just for argument's sake - the A8 is 3 inches wider and a foot longer - though it maintains the same height, but that is comparable with like-classed cars such as the 7 and the S.
Clueless, as usual. Any car with AWD and similar HP and Torque will beat a rear
wheel drive in a drag race. I guess I shouldn't be surprised you don't know this, but as much as you claim "drag racing" is childish, you want to use it as a measurement when it suits you.
smh... actually - with someone on the throttle who knows what they doing on the and doesn't light up the tires or trip the traction & stability control - the exact opposite is true. A fair amount of that power and torque is robbed by the extra 90 and 180 degree turns in the powertrain by the transfer case, extra differential, extra drive shaft and half shafts, as well as the CV joints.
First off, I've seen many Benz S class with horrible paint. If you've seen a lot of perfect ones its because the owner made them repaint it or buff it out.
So that's what happens when I blink my eyes as the car us unloaded from the truck and driven to it's spot in the lot? Right.
As I mentioned, we had an SL, stickered at $110,000. It had nice paint, but no better than the Genesis.
As I asked before - of what vintage? SL's have been 6-figure cars for almost 2 decades. How long did it sit in the sun? How often was it truly polished, waxed, treated, etc? *EVERY* car's paint suffers after time and exposure... I don't care if it is a $15,000 Suzuki or a $2M McClaren. But trying to compare a new to 2 year old car's paint to that of something even 5, let alone 7-15 years old makes about as much sense as some of the other comparisons in this thread.
Of course you haven't seen the Genesis in any comparisons in the car mags. The car mags are not about to bite the hand that feeds them. Don't you think if the Genesis didn't compare favorably there would be some? Don't you think the Germans are scared to death of having Genesis do to them what Lexus did? C'mon, you need to wake up and smell the coffee here.
And you need to wake up and read what I actually wrote.... because it is pretty much the same thing.
You seem to think that price, "lux" and target market make a difference when making comparisons. They don't.
They do. See my explanation near the top of this post.
As I listed above, go component by component and rate a Genesis to an Audi A8. I've said the Audi comes out on top, but not by much and mostly due to the interior.
Of course it would - especially component by component. From struts and bushings to switches, stitches, leather, noise isolation... hell - even the craftsmanship, feel and operation of something as common as a door handle & latch. These are the types of things that you see improvements upon when you change up a class in automobile. Now - knock it back down to an A6 and the differences are far fewer. Again - as I have been saying all along. And when the G90 comes out - you will find that list of differences where the A8 comes out on top to be significantly smaller than in your comparison of it to the G2/80. Once again: Class. Of. Car. These are the things that determine such things as "vehicle class".
You have bought into the marketing hype. Audis have a ton of money built into the price to support their racing teams, their advertising, their expensive dealerships. It is just not in the cars, themselves. They make many nice cars.
Yep... they do, and I have driven several of them for extended periods over many years. However - I have not bought into the marketing hype. I have never owned an Audi - and it is extremely unlikely that I ever will... largely because of the costs and TOC, as was mentioned earlier. Despite all the great aspects of the A6 and the A8 (which anyone who has even the slightest "feel" for cars can tell the moment they step in, the moment they stop on the gas and the moment they come to a stop) - it just isn't worth it. Not the money up front... not the maintenance and repairs while you own it and not the depreciation on the back end when you try to sell or trade it. The Genesis however, is.
How you have come to the conclusion that I am an Audi fan - I have no idea. Do I like some of their cars? Sure. however - I am actually a HUGE Genesis fan... and have already picked out my next Genesis (the G90) and it most likely wont be my last. While BMW was in the running when I bought my G2 - Audi has never been a remote consideration at any point of my life and most likely never will be. I've also owned two 7 series and still say that if I didn't get the used deals on them that I did that they would not have been worth it. All that and my next car will still be a G90.
You are mistaking my attempts of trying to keep the classes straight and the differences in the vehicle comparisons straight as me being an Audi proponent. The case is anything but... and in fact and Audi of any class wouldn't be the 1st car I would try to compare with the G2/80 or 90 in teh first place. The BMWs are. The OP brought up Audi and that is why I keep trying to demonstrate how and why the comparisons don't make sense. I also routinely introduce the other German players into the argument to help further illustrate the proper class comparisons.
I suppose if you want to sit in the back while someone else drives, the A8, the S class and the 7 series won't compare to the Genesis as we have no Champaign chiller, foot rest, reclining seat, etc. But for the person who will drive the car, the Genesis compares very well.
The G90 will have some of those features as does the current Equus. Those are the proper cars to compare as your comment above so eloquently illustrated -
for the exact reasons you stated. That is the proper class comparison to make.
The G2/80 however - should be compared with other like-class and actually DRIVEN cars... such as the E, 5 and A6.
I've owned several Corvettes, Porsches and Mercedes. I know what a connected ride feels like and I know what a good balance between connected and luxury feels like. The Genesis straddles the line very well.
No argument on your last statement at all... it does indeed do very well. But I don't know that I would use one of the worst handling cars to have ever been produced (Corvette of almost any generation), one of the most connected (Porsche pretty much across the board, less the SUVs) and one of the most isolating cars to have ever been produced (at least the M and S class Mercs) to quantify a good balance. Yes - knowing all those aspects is good... but also knowing what other properly balanced cars of the same class such as the A6, E class and 5 series feel like would go a lot to forming the opinion. I think the G2/80 is much closer to an E class (tipped more to the touring side of sport/touring sedan) vs. that of the A6 or the 5 series - which are tipped more towards the sport side of a sport/touring sedan.
I'm surprised so many here really don't seem to think that highly of the Genesis, although I suppose the marketing hype gets to everyone to some extent.
Again - I do think extremely highly of the Genesis. Otherwise I wouldn't own it. Clearly I think more of than the cars I have been comparing it to from the get-go... otherwise I wouldn't own it. Obviously I think highly of even their higher end model which isn't even available yet for purchase... otherwise I wouldn't be planning to own it. Again - my only point here has ever been to make sure that people are comparing like-class cars. This thread on it's face does not... and there have been a couple of others.
But the premise of the thread is comparing an apple to a t-bone steak. That doesn't work - and honestly is rather illogical. At least be comparing different apples - so long as they are all apples. Even the comparison of an apple to an orange for the sake of what you get vs. what you pay (G2 v. 3/A4/C class) makes more sense than comparing it to a t-bone steak.
If anything, the Genesis blurs the line of car class expectations and feature for feature it does very well up against cars that literally cost twice as much.
The cars of similar class from the other manufacturers (A6 v A8 for example) accomplish the same thing. This is why the comparison doesn't make a lot of sense.
All I pointed out was some areas where things could be better, based on my experience in the big Audi.
The majority of those things are taken care of when you get into the big Genesis. The G90.
We lost about 7 pages here debating how the Genesis should not be compared to certain cars based on car class and price
I don't think it is lost at all. It is indeed good debate - and obviously it is necessary because there are a select few people who do not seem to understand the very premise of vehicle class differences and their direct relation to quality, comfort, performance and features.
my point all along was to try and point out things that could make it even better
Everything can always be better. But why would someone do the equivalent of saying how a Subaru Brat can be "made better" to be more similar to an F-150? That just doesn't compute. A better comparison would obviously be a Sierra 1500 to the F-150. The whole G2 v A8 comparison is just as obvious.
I just happened to use a car model that seems to have incensed a few who missed the forest through the trees.
Correction.... and to be honest - I'd say the situation is the other way around. The tree in this instance is the of the A8 being used as the example. However - the forest consists of other trees.... such as the 7 series, S class, XTS, LS, even the Equus... etc...
and most applicably - the G90.
With that - I am done with this. Clearly a few special people here are more interested in how their apple can be more like a t-bone steak. I don't get it - but whatever. If I want a t-bone steak - I am going to buy one. In the mean time... I will do just fine comparing my red apple to some yellow apples and green apples. But at least they will all be apples. At the very worst - I get to also relish in the fact that I paid the lesser-price of a lesser-quality orange and I got a damned nice apple out of the deal which compares quite favorably with many other nice apples.
/box of the soap
Look at the MASSIVE difference in trap speed for the 1/4 mile runs.
