Alternatives to G70?

[Buckdes]

I am a BMW owner looking very hard at this as well. Wish they had a comparable SUV to compete with the X3. But it is hard not to look when you can get the luxury, performance and probably better reliability for at least 15k cheaper than from BMW.

I traded in my 335xi for the sport and love the G70, i would put it a tiny,TINY bit below the C43 in terms of overall package but with the price difference i think the G70 wrecks the C43. C43 has better exhaust and slightly more refined interior but the price you pay for what you get is a huge difference and i would take G70 all day

 

[Edmguy]

As far as being some douche that needs to impress people with a BMW etc, I could care less what people think.

I do miss being a douche sometimes lol

 

[KDX]

I do miss being a douche sometimes lol

LOL. Self awareness is the first step to recovery (or something like that).

 

[joneillnj]

Personally, I like to get the most bang for my buck and I think the G70 succeeds in that respect. I'm also a bit of a rebel, I don't follow the crowd and the G70 succeeds in that respect also. As far as being some douche that needs to impress people with a BMW etc, I could care less what people think.

Understood, but there are a lot of those douches and Genesis needs to attract them to grow.

 

[OzG70]

My last car was an Audi Q5. I recently sold it in anticipation of the Q70.
I did like the "prestige" of driving the Audi but that wore off quickly as I got ripped off by the dealers in Australia for servicing and parts. When I bought the Audi new I walked straight over to the parts dept. to buy a rubber cargo mat. They quoted me over $1000 for it. Yes, over $1000.
The local Audi dealer charges twice as much as the UK dealers do for servicing. On the first service they charged me triple the retail price for the oil.
After I complained, the local dealer said. "Oh, MB, BMW and Porche all do it". And they wonder why people call them "Stealers"
After only 28,000 kms the real main seal on the engine went. The car was out of warranty and cost me $4k to get it fixed.
The car was not worth the extra money.
So, owning a German car has put a bad taste in my mouth.
I can see past the badge now, and look at the facts. Let the brand snobs pay as much as they like.
I may not buy a Q70 yet. I haven't driven it yet. But I certainly won't be buying a European car.

 

[BlancaGenny]

I disagree as Genesis is still sold through Hyundai dealerships - in my opinion, until that changes, the association and resultant Hyundai baggage for many potential buyers will not go away. Remember - like it or not, a big part of why folks buy MB, Audi, BMW, etc., is as a status symbol to impress others with their "success" - no one is impressed with an expensive Huyundai (at least not yet). Also, it seems from what others have posted here that they sold more G80's when it was a Hyundai Genesis verus since it has been rebadged as a Genesis G80.

"An expensive Hyundai" - I'm sure your aware that many brands are either luxury subsidiaries on other car brands or vice versa. You know the Audi R8? It's a cheaper LP560. A Lamborghini Urus? An expensive version of an Audi Q7. If you aren't going to categorize those cars as the "same" or "more expensive version" realm, there's no need to do it with Genesis and Hyundai.

You say no one is impressed with an expensive Hyundai. You are on a Genesis forum, my man. All of us here are impressed minus the few that have had bad experiences.

The reason the Hyundai Genesis sold better is because of the price. The fact that the Hyundai Genesis had a H symbol on the back meant they could be are are still selling (used and CPO) for thousands less than the G80. Since the Genesis G80 doesn't sport the H symbol on the trunk, it can be sold for a premium, just like BMW, Merc, and Audi.

 

[Windchaser]

With respect to no one being impressed I can definitely say I have had quite a few people come and talk to me about my car. All were impressed and none of them owned a Genesis. It may not be a well known car but it certainly impresses people.

 

[Buckdes]

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With respect to no one being impressed I can definitely say I have had quite a few people come and talk to me about my car. All were impressed and none of them owned a Genesis. It may not be a well known car but it certainly impresses people.

I agree, people are definitly impressed when they see my G70, i assume most who are not are internet trolls who have not seen the car in person

 

[Edmguy]

With respect to no one being impressed I can definitely say I have had quite a few people come and talk to me about my car. All were impressed and none of them owned a Genesis. It may not be a well known car but it certainly impresses people.

I agree, people are definitly impressed when they see my G70, i assume most who are not are internet trolls who have not seen the car in person

I have noticed this as well. I have received more thumbs ups and comments from people on this car than anything else I have owned that I can remember. And from all kinds of people, last weekend an A4 driver gave me a thumbs up and yesterday a guy in a Ford Ranger gave me a thumbs up at a light. The other day while at my kids ball hockey practice, I was sitting on a bench by the parking lot relaxing in the sun and my car had a great spot at the end of one of the lanes close to the entrance, and the number of people that stared as they went by was impressive. And walking by all kinds of people stopped to look and often walked around the car.

I think a big part is that the car is so new and not many people have seen or know what it is yet.

I do think it was the right move, to separate Genesis from Hyundai. While Hyundai is probably the most improved manufacturer over the past 10-15 years and I truly think their cars are competitive, they still have a bit of an image problem. Having Genesis separate will not only help Genesis, but I think also help the image of Hyundai.

I have driven nothing but German cars for almost 15 years and am happy with my move as I really think this car is actually competitive and not just cheaper which is how I feel the first Genesis was. I really hope Genesis can keep things going and are successful long term.

 

[joneillnj]

"An expensive Hyundai" - I'm sure your aware that many brands are either luxury subsidiaries on other car brands or vice versa. You know the Audi R8? It's a cheaper LP560. A Lamborghini Urus? An expensive version of an Audi Q7. If you aren't going to categorize those cars as the "same" or "more expensive version" realm, there's no need to do it with Genesis and Hyundai.

You say no one is impressed with an expensive Hyundai. You are on a Genesis forum, my man. All of us here are impressed minus the few that have had bad experiences.

The reason the Hyundai Genesis sold better is because of the price. The fact that the Hyundai Genesis had a H symbol on the back meant they could be are are still selling (used and CPO) for thousands less than the G80. Since the Genesis G80 doesn't sport the H symbol on the trunk, it can be sold for a premium, just like BMW, Merc, and Audi.

I'm not talking about folks on this forum - they obviously see the value and can look past the "prestige" of the badge of an estabished luxury brand - but many buyers don't. I'm just stating that this is something that Genesis will have to overcome to lure those buyers. If they make great cars and the value proposition is right, their chances of success wil lbe good,

With respect to Audi and others being part of larger auto companies: while that is true, I'd bet that most buyers (outside of car geeks like us on internet forums) don't make those associations. Genesis actually started at a disadvantage in this respect by merely rebadging the Hyundai Genesis as a Genesis G80 in 2017 (even 2018's are pretty much the same car) - so folks see the same car on the road with Geneis wings or Flying H badge on the back. I'm not aware of any other new Brand that launched that way.

Your Lambo/Audi comparisons are actually way off base - while those vehicle may be built off a common platform, they are wildly different in almost every other way:

I'm not slamming the Geneis vehicles as they are good values and the G70 looks like a great car (except for the rear seat toe room issues I see brought up in almost every review). I'm only pointing out the task they have to get the Brand Perception to where it needs to be to truly grow - it's a little harder than Lexus, Acura, etc., as they started with 1 model being a rebadged Hyundai and continue to sell in Hyundai dealerships. That's all.

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[joneillnj]

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I agree, people are definitly impressed when they see my G70, i assume most who are not are internet trolls who have not seen the car in person

It is a great looking car - but you did not buy it at a Hyundai Dealer, now did you? Canada is doing a better job at establishing the brand - it wil take more time in the US given how they appear to be handling things.

 

[BlancaGenny]

Your Lambo/Audi comparisons are actually way off base - while those vehicle may be built off a common platform, they are wildly different in almost every other way:

You pretty much proved my pointed as they are run off the same platform. These big name car brands are not the only ones doing it:

- GM
- Ford
- Honda/Acura
- Toyota/Lexus

A Cadillac XTS is the same thing as a Chevy Impala or a Buick Lacrosse. Factually, it's the same car. And while you can get in an Impala for a bit over $28k, the XTS is $46k. This is the exact same thing that Volkswagen does with its cars, just like my above statement of the Urus and Q7. While they do, in fact, look completely different, it's the same car.

Your comment on the brand Genesis I can agree with. They started with a car that was previously a "Hyundai" so I get where you are coming from. There should be no issue with the G90 and G70 and future models. However, expect the prices to creep ever-so-slightly towards established luxury car brands as Genesis moves farther away from Hyundai.

 

[KDX]

That Lamborghini interior is one of the ugliest that I've ever seen.

 

[Beefer]

No kidding...awful. You need to be on acid to figure it all out.

 

[GenesisYEG]

My 911 is a VW Beetle

 

[Beefer]

My 911 is a VW Beetle

Nah...your VW Beetle is a 911. Think of your glass being half full

 

[EdP]

Your comment on the brand Genesis I can agree with. They started with a car that was previously a "Hyundai" so I get where you are coming from. There should be no issue with the G90 and G70 and future models. However, expect the prices to creep ever-so-slightly towards established luxury car brands as Genesis moves farther away from Hyundai.

Certainly will happen over time. Hyundai dealers are like the 79 cent senior coffee at McD's while luxury brands are the $3 Starbucks. We're going to have to pay for the fancy coffee in the showroom.

 

[BlancaGenny]

79 cent senior coffee at McD's

Uhh... Our McDonald's coffee is $1.49...

Talk about cost of living

 

[GenesisYEG]

Nah...your VW Beetle is a 911. Think of your glass being half full

 

[Stephen5242]