Any chance of a Genesis version of the Stinger?

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the stinger looks like a touch of charger in the rear,

I agree. The Stinger look is in many ways derivative. We can pick out elements that are familiar, like the Charger tail-lights, and yet somehow, for me anyways, the Stinger seems like it's greater than the sum of its parts. I mean, just the fact that it got built in the first place is a bit of a miracle.

I think we see some mildly familiar elements in the Genesis designs as well. Hints of other cars in the tail-lights and side folds. But still, more than the sum of its parts.

 

[YEH]

The way Stinger sales are going, I doubt it will be around very long and see no reason for Hyundai to produce a vehicle which in turn will have very soft sales equal or worse then that of the Stinger.

I’ll be frank, I love my G80 Sport, but had I waited 6 more months I could have purchased a Stinger with equal options and features for $10K below what I got the G80 for. I drive by a Kia dealership every day and they are advertising the Stinger GT2 for $43K, last month Kia only managed to push out 1097 Stinger units -27% below July 2018 and -21% below June 2019.

Have to keep in mind that the Stinger, being a fastback, is in a niche market.

The 1,092 isn't that far off 4 Series sales (1,484) which includes various body-styles, or even a 4-door box sedan like the IS (1,331).

If it weren't for Korean market sales, the G70 would be in worse shape than the Stinger.

Both could use an increase in base engine sales, but likely won't happen 'til the upgrade to the 2.5T engine.

none of those kia models look like luxury vehicles, they look rather bland with the stinger looks like a touch of charger in the rear, front "tiger nose " reminds me of a bad version of bmws nose. kia interior just doesnt cut it. cool cars though for price. the cadenza just has a dull look .

Going to disagree.

The Stinger actually looks more upmarket (sans the hood vents) than the typical mainstream luxury model as the inspiration for it was an Italian exotic - the Maserati Quattroporte and GranTurismo.

The current K900 has a bland exterior, but so do many of the flagship sedans; and the interior is nice (far nicer than the current G80's).

The Cadenza isn't really a luxury model, more like a premium model that slots somewhere btwn something like the Avalon and the ES.

And the exterior looks more upscale than the ES, LaCrosse or TLX.

Actually like the pre-facelift exterior better.

The pre-facelift Cadenza already had leather door inserts, but the refreshed model gets real wood trim.

Agree, however, that the Stinger needs an interior upgrade; no reason why the Cadenza has the nicer interior.

The taillight design of the Stinger is reminiscent of the Maserati GT.

The Charger's rear is more reminiscent of the Azera's.

Latest iteration (Grandeur which isn't sold here).

As for the Kia tiger-nose grille, it comes in a lot of different shapes and sizes.

From the above Cadenza to something like the Soul and Telluride.

W/ it's double-tab design, the Kia grille has more in similarity w/ the single-tab designs for Skoda and Lincoln.

Until now, that is...

And besides, brands like Pontiac had the double-kidney grille design just like BMW's.

 

[MG8]

Have to keep in mind that the Stinger, being a fastback, is in a niche market.

The 1,092 isn't that far off 4 Series sales (1,484) which includes various body-styles, or even a 4-door box sedan like the IS (1,331).

If it weren't for Korean market sales, the G70 would be in worse shape than the Stinger.

Both could use an increase in base engine sales, but likely won't happen 'til the upgrade to the 2.5T engine.




Going to disagree.

The Stinger actually looks more upmarket (sans the hood vents) than the typical mainstream luxury model as the inspiration for it was an Italian exotic - the Maserati Quattroporte and GranTurismo.

The current K900 has a bland exterior, but so do many of the flagship sedans; and the interior is nice (far nicer than the current G80's).

The Cadenza isn't really a luxury model, more like a premium model that slots somewhere btwn something like the Avalon and the ES.

And the exterior looks more upscale than the ES, LaCrosse or TLX.

Actually like the pre-facelift exterior better.

The pre-facelift Cadenza already had leather door inserts, but the refreshed model gets real wood trim.

Agree, however, that the Stinger needs an interior upgrade; no reason why the Cadenza has the nicer interior.

The taillight design of the Stinger is reminiscent of the Maserati GT.

The Charger's rear is more reminiscent of the Azera's.

Latest iteration (Grandeur which isn't sold here).

As for the Kia tiger-nose grille, it comes in a lot of different shapes and sizes.

From the above Cadenza to something like the Soul and Telluride.

W/ it's double-tab design, the Kia grille has more in similarity w/ the single-tab designs for Skoda and Lincoln.

Until now, that is...

And besides, brands like Pontiac had the double-kidney grille design just like BMW's.

G80 is smaller and the more comparable model G90 blows the k900 away looks more luxury . the cadenza looks like a camry. soul reminds me of a rav4 front end. I was picturing the early model bmw grill not that weird new shape but how the kia grill curvs on the middle reminds me of bmw. as far as sales the stinger had a head start as hyundai uses kia as a test mule before hyundai / genesis version hits the market.

 

[YEH]

^ The K900 is a tweener slotting btwn the G80 and G90; and wouldn't say that the G90 (at least pre-facelift) blows away the K900.

Both the (pre-fresh) G90 and K900 are pretty staid/conservative designs, but then again, so are the E/S Classes.

And in terms of interior quality, the K900 is close to that of the G90 and in certain respects was nicer (in relation to the pre-updated model) - such as having a leather wrapped center console, matte-finished wood trim and the full digital gauge cluster (which the updated G90 added).

Sorry, but the front of the Cadenza looks nothing like a Camry, nor does the front of the Soul look much anything like the RAV-4.

And b/c Kia had a head-start w/ the Stinger, the G70 should be selling better as its the new(er) model.

Also, being the 4-door sedan (and not a fastback or 4-door coupe), the G70 should be outselling the Stinger.

3 Series sales vs. 4 Series Gran Coupe

E Class sales vs. CLS sales


And w/ the further morphing of the BMW grille shape (where the sides are angled <> and the separation btwn the 2 kidneys sometimes disappear -

- is what has gotten it to look more like Kia (like the tiger-nose grille on the Stinger).

 

[MG8]

^ The K900 is a tweener slotting btwn the G80 and G90; and wouldn't say that the G90 (at least pre-facelift) blows away the K900.

Both the (pre-fresh) G90 and K900 are pretty staid/conservative designs, but then again, so are the E/S Classes.

And in terms of interior quality, the K900 is close to that of the G90 and in certain respects was nicer (in relation to the pre-updated model) - such as having a leather wrapped center console, matte-finished wood trim and the full digital gauge cluster (which the updated G90 added).

Sorry, but the front of the Cadenza looks nothing like a Camry, nor does the front of the Soul look much anything like the RAV-4.

And b/c Kia had a head-start w/ the Stinger, the G70 should be selling better as its the new(er) model.

Also, being the 4-door sedan (and not a fastback or 4-door coupe), the G70 should be outselling the Stinger.

3 Series sales vs. 4 Series Gran Coupe

E Class sales vs. CLS sales


And w/ the further morphing of the BMW grille shape (where the sides are angled <> and the separation btwn the 2 kidneys sometimes disappear -

- is what has gotten it to look more like Kia (like the tiger-nose grille on the Stinger).

Hyundai/Genesis >kia for me anyday i cant argue with you if you think that highly of kia , at the end of the day its personal preference . The kia's Just dont cut it for me idk kias just seem cheesey all hyundai / genesis guts they dont have anything that's theirs. Like I said before you can buy any hyundai or genesis cheaper in a kia badge. Some kia's are cute though.

 

[Dai Uy Ted]

Military background here. Before the car came into being, KIA has had an entirely different meaning. It's been difficult to get past it.

 

[YEH]

Hyundai/Genesis >kia for me anyday i cant argue with you if you think that highly of kia , at the end of the day its personal preference . The kia's Just dont cut it for me idk kias just seem cheesey all hyundai / genesis guts they dont have anything that's theirs. Like I said before you can buy any hyundai or genesis cheaper in a kia badge. Some kia's are cute though.

Has nothing to do w/ personal preference.

Where the 2 compete head-to-head, sometimes Kia comes out ahead, other times Hyundai.

That being said, Kias generally have had nicer interiors than their Hyundai counterparts as Hyundai had nothing equivalent to Kia's SX-L trim .

In addition, Kia sold more of their models in the European market (as they had a more limited Euro lineup - basically the Picanto and Ceed), so their models had to better fit the European taste.

Hyundai, tho, has been stepping up w/ regard to its interior for its latest models (new Sonata, Palisade), but the interior of the Kona lags behind that of the new Kia Seltos.

Also, over the past decade, Kia has won more major automotive design awards than any other brand.

 

[MG8]

Has nothing to do w/ personal preference.

Where the 2 compete head-to-head, sometimes Kia comes out ahead, other times Hyundai.

That being said, Kias generally have had nicer interiors than their Hyundai counterparts as Hyundai had nothing equivalent to Kia's SX-L trim .

In addition, Kia sold more of their models in the European market (as they had a more limited Euro lineup - basically the Picanto and Ceed), so their models had to better fit the European taste.

Hyundai, tho, has been stepping up w/ regard to its interior for its latest models (new Sonata, Palisade), but the interior of the Kona lags behind that of the new Kia Seltos.

Also, over the past decade, Kia has won more major automotive design awards than any other brand.

cool story but yeah, i dont care how many grammys or oscars they win i still prefer hyundai/genesis over kia. like i said cool cars though just not for me.

 

[YEH]

^ The point is (which seems to have gone over your head), doesn't matter what your preferences are - what you have claimed is still factually erroneous.

 

[MG8]

^ The point is (which seems to have gone over your head), doesn't matter what your preferences are - what you have claimed is still factually erroneous.

What have I claimed? That kias are all hyundai guts ? Yes that is true. And yes in the automotive industry kia is the lowest of all 3 brands. Yes you can buy any hyundai cheaper in a kia badge. Minus the new palisade that starting base is priced lower than the Telluride but when its topped out the palisade cost more. Again kia is cool but I still prefer a Hyundai or a genesis I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way that's why we are on a Genesis forum not a kia forum.

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[YEH]

^ All you have proffered is your opinions which isn't based on facts.

This is what Gene2 (a G90 owner) posted in the G90 forum.

Had a chance to drive a friends 2019 KIA K900 and it has my 2018 Genesis G90 ultimate beat all to H__L.
Maybe the new 2020 G90 will up it's game this much.
fit and finish was just as good as my G90.
Inside looks so much nicer
Like the seats better
Tech is way ahead of the G90
Rides just as nice as the G90
And $10,000.00 less.

Like I had stated, Kia, in many (if not most) instances, has nicer interiors, and Genesis made sure to catch up w/ the K900 when they did the G90's refresh (such as leather-wrapping the center console).

These are shots of the interior of the facelifted Kia Mohave (aka Borrego).

Plenty of leather and wood trim in this interior.

 

[MG8]

^ All you have proffered is your opinions which isn't based on facts.

This is what Gene2 (a G90 owner) posted in the G90 forum.



Like I had stated, Kia, in many (if not most) instances, has nicer interiors, and Genesis made sure to catch up w/ the K900 when they did the G90's refresh (such as leather-wrapping the center console).

These are shots of the interior of the facelifted Kia Mohave (aka Borrego).

Plenty of leather and wood trim in this interior.

my opinion ? so you telling me kia makes there own engines and you telling me kias cost more than hyundais? last i checked kia is part of hyundai motors not the other way around .

 

[OMG70]

my opinion ? so you telling me kia makes there own engines and you telling me kias cost more than hyundais? last i checked kia is part of hyundai motors not the other way around .

From my understanding, they both have some mutual ownership interest in each other, but still operate as (and are owned as) separate companies. They "just happen to" share quite a bit of information/tech

 

[MG8]

Hyundai and Kia are both car makers that originated in South Korea, and as a result of Kia bankruptcy in 2007 Hyundai now owns a part of their company. Many of the comparable models of each car maker share the exact same body structure as a result.

 

[MG8]

When it comes to practical differences, here are the main distinctions:

• Design. Hyundai uses a curvy, flowing body structure and luxury interior while Kia aims for a sportier look to appeal to a younger generation.
• Demographics. The design and luxury interior of Hyundai cars are aimed at an older age group who want great value and quality at affordable prices, while the sporty design and lower-priced cars are targeted to a much younger crowd.
• Console system. Hyundai’s Blue Link interior console system is designed for the convenience of the driver and how they can operate the vehicle, while Kia’s UVO system appeals to sporty-minded drivers by focusing on the vehicle and its performance or maintenance.
• Outlook. Hyundai has been established in Canada and North America for much longer than Kia, and as a result is a higher end brand. Kia, however, is one of the fastest growing car brands as it gains a foothold in Canada by appealing to younger drivers.

So when it comes down to it, the differences in style and functionality between Kia and Hyundai vehicles comes down to the group each car maker targets: Hyundai are slightly more expensive but offers more luxury and quality for older drivers, while Kia are priced more affordable and designed for younger car owners.Kia is owned by Hyundai. ... Now that Genesis is its own brand, pretty much every Hyundai is available slightly cheaper as a Kia.

 

[OMG70]

When it comes to practical differences, here are the main distinctions:

• Design. Hyundai uses a curvy, flowing body structure and luxury interior while Kia aims for a sportier look to appeal to a younger generation.
• Demographics. The design and luxury interior of Hyundai cars are aimed at an older age group who want great value and quality at affordable prices, while the sporty design and lower-priced cars are targeted to a much younger crowd.
• Console system. Hyundai’s Blue Link interior console system is designed for the convenience of the driver and how they can operate the vehicle, while Kia’s UVO system appeals to sporty-minded drivers by focusing on the vehicle and its performance or maintenance.
• Outlook. Hyundai has been established in Canada and North America for much longer than Kia, and as a result is a higher end brand. Kia, however, is one of the fastest growing car brands as it gains a foothold in Canada by appealing to younger drivers.

So when it comes down to it, the differences in style and functionality between Kia and Hyundai vehicles comes down to the group each car maker targets: Hyundai are slightly more expensive but offers more luxury and quality for older drivers, while Kia are priced more affordable and designed for younger car owners.

Lemme preface this by saying I'm not trying to start an argument (or get into this existing one).

I too can google!

"Kia in turn is a minority owner of more than twenty Hyundai subsidiaries ranging from 4.9% up to 45.37%, totaling more than US$8.3 billion."
--WIkipedia (yes I know this is not a credible source)

I think you have to take the stuff taken off a Hyundai dealer website with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, they are trying to sell their cars and the way things are phrased are going to be influenced by that.

 

[MG8]

Lemme preface this by saying I'm not trying to start an argument (or get into this existing one).

I too can google!

"Kia in turn is a minority owner of more than twenty Hyundai subsidiaries ranging from 4.9% up to 45.37%, totaling more than US$8.3 billion."
--WIkipedia (yes I know this is not a credible source)

I think you have to take the stuff taken off a Hyundai dealer website with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, they are trying to sell their cars and the way things are phrased are going to be influenced by that.

you can find anything on google , amazing right.

 

[MG8]

Lemme preface this by saying I'm not trying to start an argument (or get into this existing one).

I too can google!

"Kia in turn is a minority owner of more than twenty Hyundai subsidiaries ranging from 4.9% up to 45.37%, totaling more than US$8.3 billion."
--WIkipedia (yes I know this is not a credible source)

I think you have to take the stuff taken off a Hyundai dealer website with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, they are trying to sell their cars and the way things are phrased are going to be influenced by that.

well i been an employee since 2004 seen the bad, the good ,the ugly. im just saying what i know and what everyone else knows working in the auto industry.

 

[MG8]

you as a consumer may look at it different but that fine. at the end of the day they are great cars.

 

[YEH]

my opinion ? so you telling me kia makes there own engines and you telling me kias cost more than hyundais? last i checked kia is part of hyundai motors not the other way around .

Yes, your opinions.

I already debunked your numerous, erroneous assertions such as...

yes , kia is like the red headed step child and there line up is boring looks like Russian doll syndrome.

If anything, Hyundai (in particular, its CUV lineup) and Genesis (new design language) exemplify the Russian doll syndrome more than Kia; but then again, that's what the Germans are notorious for doing.

none of those kia models look like luxury vehicles, they look rather bland with the stinger looks like a touch of charger in the rear, front "tiger nose " reminds me of a bad version of bmws nose. kia interior just doesnt cut it. cool cars though for price. the cadenza just has a dull look .

As stated, Kia interiors tend to be higher end than the correlating Hyundai model.

G80 is smaller and the more comparable model G90 blows the k900 away looks more luxury . the cadenza looks like a camry. soul reminds me of a rav4 front end. I was picturing the early model bmw grill not that weird new shape but how the kia grill curvs on the middle reminds me of bmw. as far as sales the stinger had a head start as hyundai uses kia as a test mule before hyundai / genesis version hits the market.

The G90 does not blow away the K900's interior, as attested by other forum members.

In fact, Genesis had to upgrade certain areas of the G90's interior (such as leather-wrapping the center console) for its refresh to bring it up to par w/ the K900's.

When it comes to practical differences, here are the main distinctions:

• Design. Hyundai uses a curvy, flowing body structure and luxury interior while Kia aims for a sportier look to appeal to a younger generation.
• Demographics. The design and luxury interior of Hyundai cars are aimed at an older age group who want great value and quality at affordable prices, while the sporty design and lower-priced cars are targeted to a much younger crowd.
• Console system. Hyundai’s Blue Link interior console system is designed for the convenience of the driver and how they can operate the vehicle, while Kia’s UVO system appeals to sporty-minded drivers by focusing on the vehicle and its performance or maintenance.
• Outlook. Hyundai has been established in Canada and North America for much longer than Kia, and as a result is a higher end brand. Kia, however, is one of the fastest growing car brands as it gains a foothold in Canada by appealing to younger drivers.

So when it comes down to it, the differences in style and functionality between Kia and Hyundai vehicles comes down to the group each car maker targets: Hyundai are slightly more expensive but offers more luxury and quality for older drivers, while Kia are priced more affordable and designed for younger car owners.Kia is owned by Hyundai. ... Now that Genesis is its own brand, pretty much every Hyundai is available slightly cheaper as a Kia.

You're not stating anything that I already don't know, but you're wrong about the pricing.

The Sonata starts at $22.6k.

The Optima starts a little higher at $23k.

The Optima had the SXL trim ($36k) which is significantly higher than the Limited trim for the Sonata ($32.2k).


The Santa Fe starts at $25.9k and tops out w/ the Limited trim at $39.2k.

The Sorento (an older model) starts at $26.3k and tops out w/ the SXL trim for $46.5k - that's $5.3k more in price than the Hyundai.

Hyundai added the Ultimate trim for the Tucson ($33.1k), but that still undercuts the SX trim for the Sportage ($34.6k).

The Cadenza is also priced higher than the departed Azera and has a higher-end interior; the Cadenza tops out at $44.1k whereas the Azera topped out at $39.3k.

It was the Cadenza, and not the Azera, that was seen as being more an ES competitor rather than an Avalon competitor.