Battery Preconditioning Trickery?

[noremacnova]

Has anyone figured out how to force the vehicle to start battery preconditioning while not moving it from my garage? And ideally, while still plugged in to my Level 2 garage charger? I understand that I need to have selected the DCFC location on the vehicle Nav. But do I have to be in motion? I can't seem to activate the pre-heat (going by the battery display coils not appearing) by just sitting in the garage with the vehicle on and the Nav route selected. I even put in in Drive, but no change.

I have an EA charger about 3 miles from the house, but that's not far enough to allow enough time to heat the battery if I actually have to be in motion along the route.

 

[scottg]

During the Winter, you should have plenty of time waiting for the ID4s to finish taking up all the EA stalls before you get your turn. (I don't fast charge in the Winter for this reason - it seems like there are a ton of them in the PNW and they take forever to charge. Maybe it was the guy who came out and reset his charging twice to stay under the 30 minute mark while there were a ton of cars waiting for the EA spaces that made me dislike the ID4s at charging stations? ....and the fact that I saw him do this twice tells you how long I was waiting for a stall. I was nearly empty and didn't have any other options than waiting.)

Seriously though, I'd be interested in this as well - there is one charger that is almost always free but the drive over doesn't let me precondition before arriving.

 

[MDB]

Question: If you are driving a long distance in cold weather do you need to precondition or will the battery get warmed up just from driving?

 

[noremacnova]

Question: If you are driving a long distance in cold weather do you need to precondition or will the battery get warmed up just from driving?

My hunch is that you will still need preconditioning. Although there are some small resistive losses (heating) due to large current flow within the battery pack, those probably are more than offset by convective cooling of the pack from outside air.

 

[brucek]

My hunch is that you will still need preconditioning. Although there are some small resistive losses (heating) due to large current flow within the battery pack, those probably are more than offset by convective cooling of the pack from outside air.

On my recent road trip with an ambient temperature below freezing, I looked at the temperature a few times when preconditioning kicked in, and it was usually in the upper 40s. Preconditioning took it up to about 80. At the end of charging, it was generally over 100 (I saw 112 once), and a short time later, while driving, it was in the 50's.
I was just looking out of curiosity and not trying to record scientific data.

 

[Lalin]

Question: If you are driving a long distance in cold weather do you need to precondition or will the battery get warmed up just from driving?

You sill need to precondition if you want to see really fast DC charging.
In my case the w/o preconditioning on a 350 kWh charger I range from 45 fo 115 kWh.
With preconditioning it jumps to 110 to 280.
Both starting around 30% SOC.

 

[Lalin]

During the Winter, you should have plenty of time waiting for the ID4s to finish taking up all the EA stalls before you get your turn. (I don't fast charge in the Winter for this reason - it seems like there are a ton of them in the PNW and they take forever to charge. Maybe it was the guy who came out and reset his charging twice to stay under the 30 minute mark while there were a ton of cars waiting for the EA spaces that made me dislike the ID4s at charging stations? ....and the fact that I saw him do this twice tells you how long I was waiting for a stall. I was nearly empty and didn't have any other options than waiting.)

Seriously though, I'd be interested in this as well - there is one charger that is almost always free but the drive over doesn't let me precondition before arriving.

Or when you arrive fully conditioned but have to wait for 20-30 minutes until it is your turn. In this freezing weather, the battery will cool down fast.
In my neck of the woods, the super slow pokes are the Niros…

 

[Looney100]

I’ve enabled preconditioning while driving in cold weather and the heater was barely able to increase temperatures.
You would have to try pretty hard to ’yo-yo’ the car to get much of an increase.

 

[Aaron Buelow]

Has anyone figured out how to force the vehicle to start battery preconditioning while not moving it from my garage? And ideally, while still plugged in to my Level 2 garage charger? I understand that I need to have selected the DCFC location on the vehicle Nav. But do I have to be in motion? I can't seem to activate the pre-heat (going by the battery display coils not appearing) by just sitting in the garage with the vehicle on and the Nav route selected. I even put in in Drive, but no change.

I have an EA charger about 3 miles from the house, but that's not far enough to allow enough time to heat the battery if I actually have to be in motion along the route.

I have gotten this to work by routing to a nearby EA station and leaving my key in the car with the car still in neutral and coming back later.

It did stop preconditioning after a while of sitting there and I needed to reenter the EA station back in to keep heating the battery up.

I was not plugged into a level 2 charger at the time though. This was on a road trip at a hotel.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

Received this from Genesis a while back:
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Cold weather can decrease travel range and increase charge time. Selecting Battery Conditioning Mode will heat your battery during cold weather conditions to help improve your electric vehicle’s driving and charging functions. To get the best performance from your battery and every winter journey, follow the simple tips below

Battery Conditioning Tips



Inside your vehicle or using the Genesis Intelligent Assistant app, go to EV Settings and select “Winter/Battery Conditioning Mode” to heat up the battery in cold temperatures.

You may also use the Genesis Intelligent Assistant app to remotely preschedule or activate the cabin heat before departure to help enhance EV performance.

When using the heater, keep in mind the battery consumes more energy and may reduce your distance to empty.

To protect your vehicle’s system in cold weather, you may receive this warning: “Power is limited due to low EV battery temperature. Charge battery.”

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[noremacnova]

Received this from Genesis a while back:
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Cold weather can decrease travel range and increase charge time. Selecting Battery Conditioning Mode will heat your battery during cold weather conditions to help improve your electric vehicle’s driving and charging functions. To get the best performance from your battery and every winter journey, follow the simple tips below

Battery Conditioning Tips



Inside your vehicle or using the Genesis Intelligent Assistant app, go to EV Settings and select “Winter/Battery Conditioning Mode” to heat up the battery in cold temperatures.

You may also use the Genesis Intelligent Assistant app to remotely preschedule or activate the cabin heat before departure to help enhance EV performance.

When using the heater, keep in mind the battery consumes more energy and may reduce your distance to empty.

To protect your vehicle’s system in cold weather, you may receive this warning: “Power is limited due to low EV battery temperature. Charge battery.”

Thanks, but none of those tips really answers my questions. In fact, some of them are obsolete, if they were ever even available. E.g. the Genesis App doesn’t have a control (that I’ve found) for battery conditioning mode, a mode which of course I have turned on.

 

[brucek]

I wish there was an answer, but without some manual control, there is no option to get it going. Your scenario is probably rare, so I would not expect a solution soon. Being able to turn on preconditioning while on a home charger makes some sense as you lay it out, but I do not think it is common. I also notice I need to get moving for a few minutes before the preconditioning light comes on.

I had an interesting experience with preconditioning today. We got unexpected snow in the western Philly burbs today, and I did not leave home this morning thinking I would have a crazy snow trek back, but I had planned to stop at a DCFC. With the snow and my SOC below 50%, I decided to try to visit the EA station since it did not show a steady full as many other chargers did. The route by the station is about 5 miles and 8 minutes longer at rush hour typically, so I decided to try that option.

I could not get a battery temperature immediately when I started driving because I discovered ABRP was logged out, and I needed to wait for a red light to log in. I did get a temp after 7-9 minutes of driving at 44F. I took a 19-mile 43-minute drive, and the battery temp was up to about 66.5 when I started charging at a 150 station. Initially, I was getting about 70-80 KWh, but after a few minutes, the battery temp was up to 79F, and I saw a charging rate of about 130 KWN until I got to 80%. Due to the weather and my desire to warm the car for the rest of the ride, I went to 89% in a charging session that lasted 29:44, for my longest-ever time at an EA station (no one was waiting). The last time I looked, the battery temp was 99F.

It did look like every charger in Philly metro was full this afternoon.

 

[Lalin]

I wish there was an answer, but without some manual control, there is no option to get it going. Your scenario is probably rare, so I would not expect a solution soon. Being able to turn on preconditioning while on a home charger makes some sense as you lay it out, but I do not think it is common. I also notice I need to get moving for a few minutes before the preconditioning light comes on.

I had an interesting experience with preconditioning today. We got unexpected snow in the western Philly burbs today, and I did not leave home this morning thinking I would have a crazy snow trek back, but I had planned to stop at a DCFC. With the snow and my SOC below 50%, I decided to try to visit the EA station since it did not show a steady full as many other chargers did. The route by the station is about 5 miles and 8 minutes longer at rush hour typically, so I decided to try that option.

I could not get a battery temperature immediately when I started driving because I discovered ABRP was logged out, and I needed to wait for a red light to log in. I did get a temp after 7-9 minutes of driving at 44F. I took a 19-mile 43-minute drive, and the battery temp was up to about 66.5 when I started charging at a 150 station. Initially, I was getting about 70-80 KWh, but after a few minutes, the battery temp was up to 79F, and I saw a charging rate of about 130 KWN until I got to 80%. Due to the weather and my desire to warm the car for the rest of the ride, I went to 89% in a charging session that lasted 29:44, for my longest-ever time at an EA station (no one was waiting). The last time I looked, the battery temp was 99F.

It did look like every charger in Philly metro was full this afternoon.
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I live 12 minutes away from the EA station I usually use. Certainly not enough time to condition the batteries so I would be another case user that would like to start conditioning at home at least 30 minutes before leaving the house. My car takes at least 40 minutes to complete conditioning.
How do you see the battry temperature?

 

[Locutus]

How do you see the battry temperature?

You will need an OBD dongle and an app like CarScanner or ABRP. I got a vGate iCar Pro for about $40 (CAD) from Amazon

 

[Zcd1]

I wish there was an answer, but without some manual control, there is no option to get it going.

Not to be a nag, but are you planning to post about your EV road trip/charging experiences from your recent bourbon run? TIA... ;-)

 

[brucek]

How do you see the battry temperature?

I use this device with ABRP - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NFLL3NT/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Not to be a nag, but are you planning to post about your EV road trip/charging experiences from your recent bourbon run? TIA... ;-)

Yes - probably today. I have been battling a nasty head cold, which was not made better by spending Sunday in the cold at the Eagles game. I have been sleeping a lot to get ready for the upcoming Eagles game in even colder weather.
I had a couple of busy days this week, and I want to get my data in order before posting details.

 

[ideutsch]

I use this device with ABRP - Amazon.com


Yes - probably today. I have been battling a nasty head cold, which was not made better by spending Sunday in the cold at the Eagles game. I have been sleeping a lot to get ready for the upcoming Eagles game in even colder weather.
I had a couple of busy days this week, and I want to get my data in order before posting details.

Looking forward to reading about your experience. Also, Go Birds!

 

[brucek]

Looking forward to reading about your experience. Also, Go Birds!

Posted here - Philly to Louisville EV trip report

- Fly Eagles Fly -

 

[Lymanalpha]

Has anyone figured out how to force the vehicle to start battery preconditioning while not moving it from my garage? And ideally, while still plugged in to my Level 2 garage charger? I understand that I need to have selected the DCFC location on the vehicle Nav. But do I have to be in motion? I can't seem to activate the pre-heat (going by the battery display coils not appearing) by just sitting in the garage with the vehicle on and the Nav route selected. I even put in in Drive, but no change.

I have an EA charger about 3 miles from the house, but that's not far enough to allow enough time to heat the battery if I actually have to be in motion along the route.

I have never been able to get preconditioning to work on my 2023 GV60 Advanced. The dealer says that it works, but it doesn't. I have contacted Genesis about it several times. Finally they sent me the following message about a month ago to answer my specific questions (in bold). I tried all of these steps, but still not working.

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Thank you for contacting Genesis Customer Care. We truly value your time and the opportunity to assist you with your inquiries regarding the Winter/Battery Conditioning Mode for your 2023 GV60.We’re sorry to hear that your mobile app is missing this feature. We’d like to submit a ticket to our engineering team to investigate and resolve this concern. To move forward, we kindly request that you call us directly so we can document your issue in detail and submit the necessary request to our engineers. In the meantime, here are the answers to your questions regarding the Battery Conditioning Mode:

At what outside temperature should you activate the battery conditioning?
The battery conditioning feature automatically activates when the battery is below 21°C (68°F), provided the following conditions are met:

• Battery Pre-Conditioning must be enabled in the AVN system.
• A DC Fast Charger must be set as the destination in the navigation system (Apple CarPlay or Android Auto cannot be used for this function).
• Pre-conditioning activates approximately 30 minutes prior to reaching the charger. However, this timing may vary due to other active vehicle conditions.
• The high-voltage battery’s State of Charge (SOC) must be at least 24%.
• The time required to reach the optimal battery temperature must be equal to or less than the travel time to the charger.
• The distance to the charger must be less than the vehicle's available range.

How can you condition the battery when planning a home charge, and how far away do you have to be for battery conditioning?
If you are planning to charge at home, you can set a DC Fast Charger destination within 30 miles of your current location. As long as the conditions outlined above are met, pre-conditioning will automatically activate.

If you have additional questions or concerns, or if you would like us to submit the ticket to our engineers regarding the mobile app issue, please contact us at the number below.

Thank you for being a valued member of the Genesis family.

Respectfully,

Genesis Customer Care
(844) 340-9741
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I have not yet followed up on this because I would like to get my dealer (Genesis of Alexandria) to try one more time, but they do not return my phone messages or emails. Maybe I will try another dealer.

 

[Nycturne]

Question: If you are driving a long distance in cold weather do you need to precondition or will the battery get warmed up just from driving?

2 hours driving in even mild PNW winters is not enough to warm up the battery for good fast charging performance.