brake recall issue 2012 3.8

[helgec]

Anyone experience a dealer issue with the brake fluid recall. i took our vehicle in for fluid replacement under recall and dealer contaminated the fluid which caused complete brake system failure. Dealer had the car for almost a week to replace all the brake components which were touched by fluid. I thought this was really weird.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

That is really weird....

 

[GenesisCaptain]

Sounds like the technician dumped the wrong fluid into the brake reservoir. This is probably rare, but not impossible. We are talking about humans. Doctors leave stuff inside of patients; a car mechanic could easily dump the wrong juice in your car.

 

[Potty_Pants]

We are talking about humans. Doctors leave stuff inside of patients; a car mechanic could easily dump the wrong juice in your car.

YEAH,

DR. left something inside my 1st wife...

luckily DNA tests showed it wasn't mine.

ppp

 

[OneFunGenesis]

YEAH,

DR. left something inside my 1st wife...

luckily DNA tests showed it wasn't mine.

ppp

 

[mikec]

Sounds like the service tech let some dust or other debris fall into the brake fluid reservoir while working on it. It doesn't take much to cause problems. Grit or fine silt will act like sandpaper to the rubber seals on the master cylinder leading to a pedal-to-the-floor condition in a short time. Thought not instantly as your car seems to have experienced. Often the bottom of the reservoirs has dark silt build-up... dislodging that into the system is bad.

Larger particles can jam the anti-skid assembly which basically leads to bypassed brake hydraulics: the anti-skid valve works by bleeding some brake fluid pressure (from your foot on the pedal) back to the reservoir instead of sending it all to the calipers at each wheel. If too much is bypassed nothing happens at the calipers and you end up with no brakes at all. Lots of folks on this board have experienced anti-skid failures that lead to no brake conditions... the problem comes and goes. Maybe your car has a bad anti-skid unit like those other folks... and yours just happened to fail while at the dealers instead of when you were driving with the family.

mike c.

 

[a6ft6inguy]

I had to have the a/c Compressor replaced on my 2012 4.6. While it was there, the dealer stated that they had to change out the fluid in order to satisfy a recall by the mfgr.Their statement to my question of "Why"? was answered with, they probably wanted to go to DOT5 instead of DOT4...Which doesn't have any validity at all. I can tell you that they changed "just the fluid" in my car and they think that that meets the level deemed necessary by the mfg.And as usual, I didn't get to read a copy of the recall...If anyone gets a copy, please post it here for all to digest.

 

[Mark_888]

I had to have the a/c Compressor replaced on my 2012 4.6. While it was there, the dealer stated that they had to change out the fluid in order to satisfy a recall by the mfgr.Their statement to my question of "Why"? was answered with, they probably wanted to go to DOT5 instead of DOT4...Which doesn't have any validity at all. I can tell you that they changed "just the fluid" in my car and they think that that meets the level deemed necessary by the mfg.And as usual, I didn't get to read a copy of the recall...If anyone gets a copy, please post it here for all to digest.

The recall was to replace DOT-3 with DOT-4. The details are available on www.hmaservice.com.

It was not a mandatory recall, in that the manufacturer did not notify owners. However, dealers were required to perform the service for any car brought in to their shop for any other reason, and on their existing inventory.

 

[a6ft6inguy]

I saw a news release on the Today show this morning (10-22-13) about the recall involving 30k Gennys from 09-13. The brake fluid can gel in the wheel cylinders and keep the brakes from working. They also stated that Hyundai would furnish loaner cars for all affected owners.

 

[Mark_888]

I saw a news release on the Today show this morning (10-22-13) about the recall involving 30k Gennys from 09-13. The brake fluid can gel in the wheel cylinders and keep the brakes from working. They also stated that Hyundai would furnish loaner cars for all affected owners.

About 60% of cars affected have already been upgraded to DOT-4 brake fluid under the existing TSB that was released some time ago.

I have not heard anything about brake fluid "gel". What has been reported on is that ABS brake modules have failed, possibly due to corrosion, and the new DOT-4 fluid has anti-corrosion properties. But it is not likely to help any existing corrosion that has already occurred in the ABS modules, which is the root cause of the brake failures.

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[palloverspec]

Just made an appointment for this Saturday for my 2012 R-Spec for the brake fluid change.

Also inquired about an all synthetic oil change. Dealer stated is would be $130.00.

Anyone here had quotes on full sythetic oil changes?

 

[Mark_888]

Just made an appointment for this Saturday for my 2012 R-Spec for the brake fluid change.

Also inquired about an all synthetic oil change. Dealer stated is would be $130.00.

Anyone here had quotes on full sythetic oil changes?

That is an outrageous price for a synthetic oil change. Get a quote for a regular oil change, and ask them if you can supply your own oil (which you can get for about $40 from Walmart (5 quart jug is $25). Only problem is that you cannot watch them do it (usually) so you never know for certain what they will put in there even if you supply the oil.

Or you should try another dealer (including Kia dealers). I change my own oil.

 

[palloverspec]

That is an outrageous price for a synthetic oil change. Get a quote for a regular oil change, and ask them if you can supply your own oil (which you can get for about $40 from Walmart (5 quart jug is $25). Only problem is that you cannot watch them do it (usually) so you never know for certain what they will put in there even if you supply the oil.

Or you should try another dealer (including Kia dealers). I change my own oil.

I was thiking about doing it myself. I have the tools/ramps to drive onto. I noticed Walmart has mobil 1 5w-20 fully synthetic for ~$25.00 for a 5 quart. I will simply purchase two of them and get the filter from the dealer.

This brake recall concerns me. Meaning, what if there are latent effects based on the improper fluid already being used in the car. Granted, I have a 10 year extended warranty, so I guess I am covered, but the question remains what if this happens when I am on the road and because of the damage already done the brakes give out.

This is a scary situation.

 

[Mark_888]

I was thiking about doing it myself. I have the tools/ramps to drive onto. I noticed Walmart has mobil 1 5w-20 fully synthetic for ~$25.00 for a 5 quart. I will simply purchase two of them and get the filter from the dealer.

This brake recall concerns me. Meaning, what if there are latent effects based on the improper fluid already being used in the car. Granted, I have a 10 year extended warranty, so I guess I am covered, but the question remains what if this happens when I am on the road and because of the damage already done the brakes give out.

This is a scary situation.

Make sure you keep a log of the mileage and date of the oil change, and attach receipts for oil and filter. I also save the product id portion of the oil filter box.

There is a 10 year - 100K mile drive-train warranty for original owners (and Hyundai CPO cars) that covers the engine and transmission. It does not cover the ABS brake modules which are apparently the root cause of the brake failures. That would be covered by the new car warranty (5 year - 60K miles, which ever comes first).

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened an investigation into the Genesis brake failure problem, so hopefully they will figure out what risk there is for any corrosion already done to the ABS brake modules, even if new anti-corrosive DOT-4 fluid is now used.

 

[palloverspec]

Make sure you keep a log of the mileage and date of the oil change, and attach receipts for oil and filter. I also save the product id portion of the oil filter box.

There is a 10 year - 100K mile drive-train warranty for original owners (and Hyundai CPO cars) that covers the engine and transmission. It does not cover the ABS brake modules which are apparently the root cause of the brake failures. That would be covered by the new car warranty (5 year - 60K miles, which ever comes first).

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened an investigation into the Genesis brake failure problem, so hopefully they will figure out what risk there is for any corrosion already done to the ABS brake modules, even if new anti-corrosive DOT-4 fluid is now used.

Smart man. "The product id portion of the oil filter box." I didn't think of that. I have the 10 year extended warranty. It does cover ABS. I am a Mechanical Engineer, and this design issue can either come from trying to cut corners, or someone just did not do there corrosion 101 homework. Either way, this tells a big part on Hyundai's quality and design practices.

The ABS can fail but should never leave you without the ability to brake the car.

I am surprised there are no major accidents with people loss of life.

 

[Mark_888]

Smart man. "The product id portion of the oil filter box." I didn't think of that. I have the 10 year extended warranty. It does cover ABS. I am a Mechanical Engineer, and this design issue can either come from trying to cut corners, or someone just did not do there corrosion 101 homework. Either way, this tells a big part on Hyundai's quality and design practices.

The ABS can fail but should never leave you without the ability to brake the car.

I am surprised there are no major accidents with people loss of life.

It might be that Hyundai purchased the ABS module from a vendor, but I agree that an ABS system failure should not cause a brake failure, and that such a design is unacceptable. Another member reported that his BMW had an ABS system failure, but that did not affect the brakes (only the anti-lock feature).

The other big part of this fiasco, is that when owners took their car to a Hyundai dealer complaining of intermittent brake failure, the dealers (on orders from Hyundai Motor America) refused to replace the ABS module unless the problem could be reproduced by the dealer. Given that they knew about the intermittent brake failure problem (and ordered the DOT-4 fluid change TSB to deal with it), that rises to the level of criminal negligence on the part of HMA if anyone had been injured in an accident. Had HMA agreed to replace the ABS modules when owners first complained of intermittent brake failure, all of this would likely have blown over by now.

 

[a6ft6inguy]

Here is the link to the news report I saw about gel in the brake system. http://www.today.com/video/today/53342085/#53342085
Had to go back to make sure that is what I heard.

 

[Mark_888]

Here is the link to the news report I saw about gel in the brake system. http://www.today.com/video/today/53342085/#53342085
Had to go back to make sure that is what I heard.

You definitely quoted that story correctly. None of the other reports I saw mentioned gel, but maybe USA Today got that information from some other source as everyone else.