Comparing the 2010 Genesis sedan to the 2012

[sooththetruth]

I really was impressed by the HP/torque numbers in combo with the excellent mileage numbers for the 2012 Genesis, 3.8.

The 8 speed transmission really caught my eye.

I drive 18K miles a year, a lot of it highway, and usually drive at 80 mph all over the Southeast; I don't like that my Genny will get 27 mpg at 75 mph, but only 23.5 mpg at 80 mpg.

So I drove the 2012 earlier this week, looking forward to the improved suspension, and the increased power. The dealer was really eager to deal, assuring me I would be surprised by what they could offer (Wasn't this is a good sales approach?)

The problem is that my 2010 (premium) has a light on it's feet feeling, quicker turn in, and BETTER FEELING acceleration than the 2012. I learned during the test drive that I could overcome the sloth by putting my foot deeper into the pedal. But then, I also felt that the car felt heavier, and overall it had some on-center sluggishness to the steering. Remarkably, the car felt more like a recent BMW.

The realization hit me: I LIKE the light-on-it's-feet feeling of the 2010, and was totally turned off by the 2012 3.8. I'll put up with the gas mileage, for now.

We all have features we favor, and I really didn't imagine this difference would be so profound on such similar looking cars. I have read on this forum that there may be an available update that will yield the lighter-on-it's-feet feeling I would want (faster gear changes is part of the update), but I am not sure I want to count on it, for now.

Does the 4.6 share this feeling? I don't know, but will try it this coming week. It seems i am reading on this forum that all the new Genesis' are tuned for softer ride and better gas mileage, aside from the R spec that is being panned for the hard ride.

My most pleasant surprise has been how well the value of my Genny has held up. It seems I could move up to the 2012 with less than 5K per year depreciation for the first 2.5 years I have owned the car. Seems surreal to me.

Today I detailed the interior of my car to make it look about new. I will see if I can have the leather of the driver seat tightened, because I don't like the stretched out look, and I will likely have to have the seat dyed, as the cashmere won't hold it's color, but these are minor inconveniences.

Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder, so I don't necessarily expect most people to agree with my comparison.

Of course, I may find others made the change, and have adapted happily. I am looking forward to hearing.

 

[homeofstone]

I like my 2011 4.6 better than the 2012. On the 2012 I do not like the aluminum exterior trim (prefer the chrome around the windows on 2011) I also like the chrome interior door opening handles on the earlier models(2012 is silver) I prefer the ZF transmission and the direct injection is not a time tested technology for gasoline engines.

 

[Gunkk]

... the direct injection is not a time tested technology for gasoline engines.

What's to worry with the 10/100 warranty?

 

[EXBMWGUY]

I was turned off by the 2012 3.8 too, for a lot if reasons. Then I drove the R-Spec and bought it. You might do yourself a favor by actually driving both a 2012 4.6 and 5.0 before you take some subjective and arbitrary comments about hard ride with the 2012 by certain individuals as gospel. Take an extended test drive and judge for yourself. Fuel consumption is another subject, but there is plenty of real-world data here that us less subjective than ride feel.

My R-Spec doesn't plow through curves, nor is it "leaning and lumbering" at all in the handling department. The ride is firm, not hard, and let's face it, there are some roads that will always be uncomfortable.

People's view of the 8 speed is subjective also, and influenced by whether or not they like to frequently use the manual mode (which I believe is terrible on this car). But two things happen that cannot be fully judged in a test drive - (1) the transmission does adapt as it learns your driving style, and (2) you learn better how to adjust driving habits to the characteristics of shift programming. Yes. There are people who will always hate the 8 speed, but you may not be one of them.

 

[homeofstone]

What's to worry with the 10/100 warranty?

I put over 200,000 miles on a car before I sell it. Now have over 62,000 miles on my 2011 Genesis. So long term reliability is very important to me.

 

[scottdk]

What's to worry with the 10/100 warranty?

Kind of my thought when I bought the Optima SX, so I figured what the hell, right?

 

[gameday22]

I really was impressed by the HP/torque numbers in combo with the excellent mileage numbers for the 2012 Genesis, 3.8.

I drive 18K miles a year, a lot of it highway, and usually drive at 80 mph all over the Southeast; I don't like that my Genny will get 27 mpg at 75 mph, but only 23.5 mpg at 80 mpg.



My most pleasant surprise has been how well the value of my Genny has held up. It seems I could move up to the 2012 with less than 5K per year depreciation for the first 2.5 years I have owned the car. Seems surreal to me.


I also own a 2010 Genny fully loaded and while I did enjoy the added HP for the 2012 the transmission seemed all to eager to get into 8th and when using the manual shift mode didn't like coming down fast enough. I do like the new lights and the exhaust being part of the bumper.

Your car is only getting 23.5mpg at 80mph? At 80 in mine it seems to be at it's sweet spot (28.3mpg).

Your dealer is giving you a solid trade appraisal if that's all your car depreciated over the last 2.5 years. My car is in outstanding condition, at 35k miles and they only offered me $24.5k for a trade-in value which to me is a deal breaker. I guess keeping this one is the better plan for me right now until the redesigned 2014's come out.

 

[sooththetruth]

Do you think the air filter was worth 4.5 miles per gallon?

My computer reads 24.3 when I do a whole tankful at 80 miles an hour on FLAT LAND. But my calculated value is 23.5. If I were getting 28.3 at 80 miles an hour I would keep this car for 200 K miles.

I know there is car to car variation, and I don't have the energy save tires on my car, rather summer sport tires. You didn't mention the tires on your car.

Likely I will stay with summer tires, for the reasons outlined above.

Rickie Bobby likes to go fast, but I like to turn fast.

I know, I know, I should buy a Boxster.

 

[homeofstone]

Do you think the air filter was worth 4.5 miles per gallon?

My computer reads 24.3 when I do a whole tankful at 80 miles an hour on FLAT LAND. But my calculated value is 23.5. If I were getting 28.3 at 80 miles an hour I would keep this car for 200 K miles.

I know there is car to car variation, and I don't have the energy save tires on my car, rather summer sport tires. You didn't mention the tires on your car.

Likely I will stay with summer tires, for the reasons outlined above.

Rickie Bobby likes to go fast, but I like to turn fast.

I know, I know, I should buy a Boxster.

At 3.50 per gallon the def. in cost per mile between 24.3 and 28.3 mpg over 200K miles is about .02/mile or about 4000.00 over 200,000 miles.

 

[sooththetruth]

At 3.50 per gallon the def. in cost per mile between 24.3 and 28.3 mpg over 200K miles is about .02/mile or about 4000.00 over 200,000 miles.

And since I drive 18K miles per year it would take about 9.1 years to reach 200K miles, so around $410 per year. That sounds right, but only pertains to highway miles. My real world average is around 21 mpg, because I still have a daily commute, but the difference between the two vehicles would likely shrink when you consider city driving, or stay about the same. My average on a tank driven completely in town is 18.5 mpg if I don't pay attention, but just caring about how i drive I can keep it over 20 mpg.

Your unstated point is that unless I could make up the difference in cost over the 200K miles, there is no need to buy the new car for better mileage.

Agreed. One wild card is if fuel should go to $10 a gallon, and it would take about that much increase to swing the equation to buying a new vehicle, and I would probably buy an even more efficient one of these cars, then.

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[GJEMD]

And since I drive 18K miles per year it would take about 9.1 years to reach 200K miles, so around $410 per year. That sounds right, but only pertains to highway miles. My real world average is around 21 mpg, because I still have a daily commute, but the difference between the two vehicles would likely shrink when you consider city driving, or stay about the same. My average on a tank driven completely in town is 18.5 mpg if I don't pay attention, but just caring about how i drive I can keep it over 20 mpg.



Your unstated point is that unless I could make up the difference in cost over the 200K miles, there is no need to buy the new car for better mileage.

Agreed. One wild card is if fuel should go to $10 a gallon, and it would take about that much increase to swing the equation to buying a new vehicle, and I would probably buy an even more efficient one of these cars, then.

If your budget requires consideration of 24mpg vs 28 mpg, it seems the Genesis class of sedan may be a poor choice for many reasons. At $4000 over 10 yrs that works out to $1.19/day. Really..... it seems you have the paralysis of analysis. Enjoy the experience

 

[sooththetruth]

If your budget requires consideration of 24mpg vs 28 mpg, it seems the Genesis class of sedan may be a poor choice for many reasons. At $4000 over 10 yrs that works out to $1.19/day. Really..... it seems you have the paralysis of analysis. Enjoy the experience

Really, it's more of an exercise. I do my gas mileage in my head, and analyze the costs at my office all the time. Lots of little items add up, by the way.

Don't need to apologize for it, just my way. Sometimes after thinking things through, you realize there is some subjective thing that just outweighs all logic, and you hope that it's not something you tire of.

A new car.
A new woman (I haven't done this one)
New partners/change in work

As long ago as the Greeks it was recommended that a man change careers once in his life. I trained til I was 31 for my current career. Can't change now, but I wish I could without the financial hit. Most of us need something fresh to keep us motivated.

So, I'm trying to talk myself into a new car, but didn't even like the new one.

Thinking of driving a BMW diesel 3 series, I see for sale. May be fun to drive and logical. (and it doesn't make sense to change cars, let's establish that now, I'm just a little restless.)

 

[gameday22]

Do you think the air filter was worth 4.5 miles per gallon?

My computer reads 24.3 when I do a whole tankful at 80 miles an hour on FLAT LAND. But my calculated value is 23.5. If I were getting 28.3 at 80 miles an hour I would keep this car for 200 K miles.

I know there is car to car variation, and I don't have the energy save tires on my car, rather summer sport tires. You didn't mention the tires on your car.

I'm not sure how much difference the air filter makes on your MPG, it definitely boosts HP output and the car runs better overall then with the stock filter. I use Continental ExtremeContact DWS 235/50/ZR18's. (Ultra High Performance All-Season).