Considering a Genesis, a few questions

[cglex]

My 2001 BMW 530 (sport suspension and manual tranny) is long in the tooth at 142K miles and no longer economical to repair. I test drove a 2012 3.8 Genesis last weekend and the car is at the top of the list over other models and makes.

I am leaning toward a 2009 4.6 with around 30K miles over 2012 3.8's, largely based on price.

While, my Bimmer has been a blast to drive, new Bimmers are priced on the moon and I am tired of BMW's high operating costs and frequent car disabling part failures at the 50 to 110K mileage range. My wife doesn't like driving the 530 because of the stick, and she doesn't like me driving it because I drive the 530 the way it should be driven. So, for better or worse, time for a lifestyle change and the Genesis is the leading option.

Any mechanical issues with a 2009 4.6 for which I should be on the look out? These cars seem to have very few problems given a new model, first V-8, first rear wheel drive, etc.

How long do the tires last? I have heard the Dunlaps are horrible, but any all season high performance tire doesn't last very long. What is your experience? Given the used models all have around 30K miles, should I expect to replace the tires soon?

How long before the first brake job?

I live in Boston, assuming a normal winter next year, will i be able to drive the car in snow with the all season tires, original or stock replacements? If winter tires are recommended, any comments from people that run summer/winter tires will be appreciated.

For those that have put some miles on their Genesis, what is your guess on the economic life in terms of miles?

Are operating costs low like most Asian cars or will I experience something closer to by BMW?

I see lots of posts about suspension/handling posts, particularly with load and/or over bad roads. Is this simply a problem of handing $30 to 40k over to the Germans and buying what I want to avoid, or are there real shortcomings given the price of this car?

Anything else i should know before I pull the trigger on a Genesis?

Thank you in advance for your replies.

 

[homeofstone]

As for reliability its the best in class. Recommended in Nov. Consumer Reports, Tops in J.d Powers ratings which just came out. I have a set of Bridgestone turanza Serenity tires that have 32000 miles on them with about 15,000 miles left in them. Needs no brakes and has had only the servcie required in the manual. No repairs at all. My car now has over 50,000 miles on it. 2011 4.6 You may want to google the J.D. powers report among others. We also get about 22 mpg

 

[Gurkha]

Any mechanical issues with a 2009 4.6 for which I should be on the look out? These cars seem to have very few problems given a new model, first V-8, first rear wheel drive, etc.

How long do the tires last? I have heard the Dunlaps are horrible, but any all season high performance tire doesn't last very long. What is your experience? Given the used models all have around 30K miles, should I expect to replace the tires soon?

I live in Boston, assuming a normal winter next year, will i be able to drive the car in snow with the all season tires, original or stock replacements? If winter tires are recommended, any comments from people that run summer/winter tires will be appreciated.

Are operating costs low like most Asian cars or will I experience something closer to by BMW?

I see lots of posts about suspension/handling posts, particularly with load and/or over bad roads. Is this simply a problem of handing $30 to 40k over to the Germans and buying what I want to avoid, or are there real shortcomings given the price of this car?

A lot of questions, I'll try a few. I'm a 2009 V6 Prem. (Canadian) owner, bought used Dec 2010.
I can't speak as a V8 owner, however Consumer Reports rates the '09 V6 higher than a '09 V8 in overall reliability. I've had zero mechanical issues other than the famous tilt/telescope memory position issue, occasional interior flickering lights and DRL's that didn't work but fixed under warranty.
I would expect that by 30,000 miles the original tires to be finished.
Here in Quebec winter tires are mandatory so I run 17" rims with dedicated winters and the 18" Dunlops (originals) in the summer. I've had uneven wear on 1 original tire, but I bought it that way so who knows.
We just had a 15cm (6") storm today and I took the Genny to work.
Drive back was 60 min on all kinds of nasty roads. Needless to say, proper winter tires make all the difference in the world, regardless of drive wheels.
I would assume Boston weather is not too far off from Montreal's, so you know my opinion on that.
I've driven only Japanese cars for the last 20+ years and this is my first Hyundai. I expect the Genny to be as reliable as any Honda or Toyota product if not better. From what I've read about BMW, you should find operating costs to be significantly lower. I do not get my car serviced at the dealership except for warranty work. I do use their parts department though and do most of the minor stuff myself. I'm now at 30,500KM (19000 miles).
The weak point in the Genny, at least for MY 2009 is suspension rebound/control (whatever you call it) over bumpy roads, and it's a stiff ride which feels tight on smooth roads). Since you're coming from a 530, it might be what you're used to.
If the '09 V8 you're looking at has the Tech package, expect more issues.
I would try to get the '12 V6 if it's within budget.

 

[homeofstone]

This is a link to dependability article http://editorial.autos.msn.com/is-your-car-dependable

 

[iqjumpuw]

My 2001 BMW 530 (sport suspension and manual tranny) is long in the tooth at 142K miles and no longer economical to repair. I test drove a 2012 3.8 Genesis last weekend and the car is at the top of the list over other models and makes.

I am leaning toward a 2009 4.6 with around 30K miles over 2012 3.8's, largely based on price.

While, my Bimmer has been a blast to drive, new Bimmers are priced on the moon and I am tired of BMW's high operating costs and frequent car disabling part failures at the 50 to 110K mileage range. My wife doesn't like driving the 530 because of the stick, and she doesn't like me driving it because I drive the 530 the way it should be driven. So, for better or worse, time for a lifestyle change and the Genesis is the leading option.

Any mechanical issues with a 2009 4.6 for which I should be on the look out? These cars seem to have very few problems given a new model, first V-8, first rear wheel drive, etc.

How long do the tires last? I have heard the Dunlaps are horrible, but any all season high performance tire doesn't last very long. What is your experience? Given the used models all have around 30K miles, should I expect to replace the tires soon?

How long before the first brake job?

I live in Boston, assuming a normal winter next year, will i be able to drive the car in snow with the all season tires, original or stock replacements? If winter tires are recommended, any comments from people that run summer/winter tires will be appreciated.

For those that have put some miles on their Genesis, what is your guess on the economic life in terms of miles?

Are operating costs low like most Asian cars or will I experience something closer to by BMW?

I see lots of posts about suspension/handling posts, particularly with load and/or over bad roads. Is this simply a problem of handing $30 to 40k over to the Germans and buying what I want to avoid, or are there real shortcomings given the price of this car?

Anything else i should know before I pull the trigger on a Genesis?

Thank you in advance for your replies.

Although 2012 models have alot more features vs. 2009 (looks better too I think), you will save alot of $ by going with the 2009. The first owner already ate the huge depreciation on the car so it'll be a great deal for a great car.

 

[Stoofpilot]

If you buy either a 2009 or 2010, my recommendation would be to find one with the Tech package. If you like a great sounding car system, the Lexicon system in the Tech package will make you want to drive the car every day.

 

[Gunkk]

Any mechanical issues with a 2009 4.6 for which I should be on the look out?

No. And if you get one with under 50k miles, you still be under the bumper to bumper warranty covering everything anyway. Note that the 10/100 warranty only applies to the original owner, and the navi/radio console is only 3/36 warranty.

How long do the tires last? I have heard the Dunlaps are horrible, but any all season high performance tire doesn't last very long. What is your experience? Given the used models all have around 30K miles, should I expect to replace the tires soon?

15-25k depending on how it is driven. It will have already had the tires replaced at least once. Conti Extreme DWS seem to be the best choice.

How long before the first brake job?

no idea. My 4.6 has 28k miles, still on original brakes.

I live in Boston, assuming a normal winter next year, will i be able to drive the car in snow with the all season tires, original or stock replacements?

get a set of Blizzaks.

For those that have put some miles on their Genesis, what is your guess on the economic life in terms of miles?

I average 20-21 mpg on my daily 15 mile 1/2 highway 1/2 stoplight commute.

Are operating costs low like most Asian cars or will I experience something closer to by BMW?

Hyundai is like honda/toyoda, way cheaper than BMW/Audi/Mercedes.

I see lots of posts about suspension/handling posts, particularly with load and/or over bad roads. Is this simply a problem of handing $30 to 40k over to the Germans and buying what I want to avoid, or are there real shortcomings given the price of this car?

The suspension on the 4.6 is stiff, which you will like.

Anything else i should know before I pull the trigger on a Genesis?

As others have said, get the 4.6 with the TECH package which is top trim level, you will not be disappointed.

 

[BBQ Bandit]

No. And if you get one with under 50k miles, you still be under the bumper to bumper warranty covering everything anyway. Note that the 10/100 warranty only applies to the original owner, and the navi/radio console is only 3/36 warranty.

That is not entirely true...

IF you buy a Certified Pre-Owned [CPO] Genesis... you will get the remaining balance of the FACTORY ORIGINAL (10 year/100,000 mile) warranty; not the normal 5/50,000 warranty as second hand owner.

As been posted earlier, Hyundai is not the same company 20 years ago.
Their improvements in the past 10 years have proven they are one to be worried about.
The arrival of the Equus and the Genesis caught people napping and has served notice.

There are several members here who have more than one, too.
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=7737

 

[cglex]

Thanks everybody. I just pulled the trigger on a 09 4.6, silver black interior.

 

[BBQ Bandit]

Congrats... you have chosen wisely.

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[TJPark01]

Thanks everybody. I just pulled the trigger on a 09 4.6, silver black interior.

It's a great car. I had a 2001 530i, one of my favorite cars of all time. The E39 was probably my first BMW love. I now have a 2011 535i and a 2009 V8 Genny. I like the BMW more, but I wouldn't suggest it for everyone cause it's overly complex. The Genny has just enough tech and luxury to satisfy 95% of people and would gladly suggest that anyone can own and operate it with ease.

 

[CC4.6]

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Enjoy!