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Do you find your driver's seat comfortable?

Not as good as a Ford Taurus or Toyota Camry or Honda Accord, but it's not quite as bad as an iron maiden... it just disappoints that it has all the other features, all the power, all the trimmings, and the damned seat seems to be built for the spine of an orangutan.
Body shape must play a huge factor here. My seat is definitely not as good as a BMW (I find MB seats uncomfortable), but it is fine. My mom bought an Equis last week and returned it the next day because of the seat. She has minor back issues, and she needs a seat that supports a square and proper posture. I agree with her that the 2014 Equus seat is horrible. The 2013 is better, but still can't work for her. To her, the Lexus LS (current and prior generation) are equal or worse than the Equus. Her current best best seat is a BMW with their premium seating option. She likes my car and the seats are comfortable. She just wants a bigger car.

I am more tolerant, but it can tell where she is coming from. It all depends on body shape and driving posture.
 
Ha! Quite a hornet's nest I've poked with a stick here...

Well, don't let egos be bruised. Be clear, I'm just whining fruitlessly here, and nothing more. Buying two cars both with equally uncomfortable seats... yes. The powers of self-deception are strong in this one. And you know the old wise man's saying: "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." That is advice you can take to the bank, and I certainly wish I would have.

No, sitting in these seats is not quite as bad as being sealed inside a medieval iron maiden. But anyone who sits in any XJ Vanden Plas or XJR or Lexus LS made in the last 20 years and says these seats are better, or even comparable, or even within the same zip code... well... pull the other one, it's got bells on it! You must be having me on. These seats are laughably worse, tougher, flatter, and with weirder contours in the lumbar area than any car I've been in, and it isn't close. It's disastrously bad.

If you want to know the powers of my self-deception, try this one. I had bought two 2007 Azeras in 2008 as reliable, good, comfortable cars. My dad bought one and I was so surprised by how smooth and quiet the engine was and how even the acceleration was despite the front-wheel drive (the red-headed step child of the car industry). One for me, one for my wife. After a few thousand miles the transverse V6 was so noisy and miserable I sold the cars at nearly a $10,000 loss each after about a year. Yet I dipped my toe into the Genesis world with a 2010 3.8L Premium with essentially the same Lambda V6 motor a few years later... and found that motor so hideously noisy, horribly clattery, and about as refined as a farm tractor, that I sold that one at a big loss too. It's really the Tau I was after. It's too bad this car has the Hyundai 8-speed transmission, I really wish I had a car with the 6-speed ZF transmission. Those are excellent slushboxes and show up on Jag, Mercedes and others. The Hyundai 8-speed is also unbelievably crude in the 2012 Genesis, losing power for more than a full second and constantly hunting for gears, you never get to feel any torque... but the motor is smooth. I have been seriously bonkers about the Tau V8 since 2008 and wanted one, and I buy a lot of cars - and I sprung for it - and I hate it. The engine is great, the transmission is mediocre, the motor and transmission mounts and suspension are a dismal failure, the steering allows a fantastic amount of lean even when there's no body roll, and the bump-steer is epidemic. This isn't a seriously-engineered vehicle, this is a rush-engineered product.

Even forgiving it the excessive lean, confused noisy suspension, different front and rear spring rates, and humiliatingly bad bump steer, it could be an OK car (except for the fact that the steering column motor squeals terribly when it moves in or out of position for convenient-entry, the seat motors whine like they're going to die, and there are more interior panel rattles and squeaks and groans on a 2012 Genesis than there are on my '96 Jag Vanden Plas or '99 Mercedes S420) - other than all that, it could be an adequate car, at least nearly as good as a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. Almost. Not quite.

But then you have to SIT in it. And good god. The shorter your trip, the better. The mid-'90s BMWs were a bit worse but other than that, the dozen-plus cars I've owned and driven have ranged between better and dramatically better.

You can forgive a car a lot of defects when it gives you a comfortable, easy place to sit, but the Genesis is too firm, too flat, and shaped like a spine I wouldn't think you'd find on a human being. Everything else might tend towards a respectable attempt at a competent product (certainly no BMW, no Jag, no Mercedes, not by a light year!!!) but with these seats, it makes you hate driving it. Try sitting in a Mercedes W140 or W210 and see what you're missing. Try sitting in any Jaguar X300 or X308. Drive 'em for two blocks. You can tolerate the Genesis. Not as good as a Ford Taurus or Toyota Camry or Honda Accord, but it's not quite as bad as an iron maiden... it just disappoints that it has all the other features, all the power, all the trimmings, and the damned seat seems to be built for the spine of an orangutan.

Happy motoring. :grouphug:

So, the Genesis is supposed to have seats that are better than the Lexus LS and the best Jaguar too? Get real. I drove a '13 Jag XJL recently and the seats were nowhere near as comfy as my Genesis. Not to mention the skimpy trunk size in the XJL. Where do the rich fit their luggage? Also, I got rid of a Honda Accord EXL because those seats were like riding a buckboard.
 
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Well, it is definitely subjective, as you say, having to do with body shape more than anything. I find the Mercedes W140, W210 seats far more comfortable, as well as Jags', although I have to admit I haven't sat in the newest generation, swoopy XJ, only the X300, 308 and 350. My dad owns a Genesis and Equus and the Equus definitely is quite a bit more comfortable than the Genesis, but it's still not "there" - if you sit in the Equus (or the new K900 which I had the opportunity to do at a car show recently), then skip straight over to a LS460, there's still just no real direct comparison.

Anyway, I think folks who have good posture would probably be a lot more comfortable in the Genesis seat than I am. I slouch. I want to sit back in a car seat like it's an overstuffed easy chair. That's just my thing though. The Genesis seat definitely isn't made for that.

Some also mentioned that the bottom cushion is a little short. I did notice that but it doesn't really bother me that much. The Mercedes has an adjustable seat depth and I always thought that was kind of overkill. Seems like everybody notices different things they like & dislike about the Genesis seat!
 
One reason I sold my 2012 is because of the drivers seat. It's okay for local driving but if I took a trip of more than 200 miles the back of my thighs would go numb. I have an IS350 Fsport now and the seats are the best yet. Drove over 1K miles on a trip and was comfortable the whole time. 5'8", 195 lbs. In my experience --

Overall seat -- Acura TL
Best seat for comfort but could be too narrow for some -- IS Fsport
Then the Genesis
 
Body shape must play a huge factor here. My seat is definitely not as good as a BMW (I find MB seats uncomfortable), but it is fine. My mom bought an Equis last week and returned it the next day because of the seat. She has minor back issues, and she needs a seat that supports a square and proper posture. I agree with her that the 2014 Equus seat is horrible. The 2013 is better, but still can't work for her. To her, the Lexus LS (current and prior generation) are equal or worse than the Equus. Her current best best seat is a BMW with their premium seating option. She likes my car and the seats are comfortable. She just wants a bigger car.

I am more tolerant, but it can tell where she is coming from. It all depends on body shape and driving posture.


Sounds like your mom is used to a Lincoln Town car. ,-)
 
Sounds like your mom is used to a Lincoln Town car. ,-)
Surprisingly, she is hooked on BMW 7 Series premium seats. It is the mushy, non-supportive seats that cause problems. Additionally, the Equus suspension made her car sick. It wallows all over the road and requires constant steering correction. That sucker can be terrifying in transient handling situations. In one situation, she hit the brakes suddenly as she approached a car in a curve. The Equus felt like it jumped sideways about a foot. It was almost a new underwear situation.

We only test drove the Equus on highways and smooth roads. It is glorious on smooth, straight road. She lives in north GA where the roads dip and curve. On the drive home, after she bought the 2014, she felt more body roll than anything she ever remembered before, and it made her for-real car sick. Both the 2014 and 2013 did the same thing to her, though the 2014 was a little better.

My mom has a medical condition that requires a BMW.
 
I find the seats in the Geni much more comfortable than a 5 series. The dealerships I have worked at had them as loaner cars and I was very unimpressed with the BMW seats. One of the main selling points for my Genesis was how comfortable the seats were.
 
I find the seats in the Geni much more comfortable than a 5 series. The dealerships I have worked at had them as loaner cars and I was very unimpressed with the BMW seats. One of the main selling points for my Genesis was how comfortable the seats were.
BMW offers three different seat versions in many cars: base, premium, and sport (some models only have base and premium available). The base seats suck, and that is what most people would encounter in a loaner. I do not like the sport seats, because they are too firm and have too much side bolster. The premium seats are the best on the planet to me.

The Genesis seats are way better than the the base 5 Series seats. The Genesis seats are way worse than the premium seats.
 
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6 foot 4, 210lbs. Pretty good comfort. My (former) Corvette's seats were better, but I'm over it. I do believe, however, that after owning quite a few of their cars, GM has great seats. Experience with other brands is admittedly limited to rentals.
 
My 2015 Genesis does not have the most comfortable seats. Admittedly I'm coming off of 24 years of Saabs, which have the gold standard in seat in my opinion. The Genny seat is too deep dished, to the point that my hip bones are riding against the seat bolsters and I end up limping out of the car for the first few minutes. Looking for the right cushion.
 
There's a big difference between the top end steats (ultimate/signature?) in the 2015 vs. the lower end seats. Compared to my 2012, I found the lower end seats less comfortable, and the higher end seats MUCH more comfortable and supportive.
 
The 2012 definitely does not have bucks/sports seats with hard side support, so I slide around if I take a corner too hard, but that's what makes it comfortable. I always forget how wide the seats are until I sit in a regular car and feel like half my butt is off the seat. I'm only 5.9, 170lb but even SUVs like the Ford escape, Hyundai Tucson, etc. have really narrow seats so I enjoy the Genesis ones much more. However, I will say that I also retract the lumbar usually, and my upper back and head almost never touch the seat in any car, but that's probably just bad posture.
 
I'm really happy with mine, I highly recommend going full tight with the side bolstering. It has made a world of difference, and was a setting that I only just recently caught on to.
 
I just purchased a 2014 Genesis. I had rented a top of the line Equuis about two years ago and vowed to have one. Well, after about two hours driving the Genesis, my back was hurting so badly my wife had to take over driving. I don't remember the Equuis seat ever hurting like that. She, with a larger frame body, had no problem at all. After reading these posts, I see that some experience my discomfort, many do not. The lumbar support does me no good at all. No matter how I adjust it, it feels as if there is a small over inflated football up against my back. I'm looking for a fix, perhaps a back cushion. I am going to see if the dealer has a solution. I hate giving up to wheel to my wife!!
 
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