3.3T Ecu tune

[Vortex951]

Update to this
Looks like BTR has come out with an ecu tune for our cars
Alphaspeed Canned Tune ECU Service Kia Stinger 3.3TT / Genesis G70 3.3TT / Genesis G80 3.3TT
The power doesn’t look very appealing compared to the jb4 though.

Looking forward to when lap3 USA releases the ecu tune they are working on.

I thought I saw this a little bit ago. Like a week or two maybe. Wasn’t it like 410 whp on 91 pump gas with no bolt ons? Cause picking up about 80 hp on pump 91 is pretty impressive lol. At least in my opinion

 

[BlackedOutG70]

I thought I saw this a little bit ago. Like a week or two maybe. Wasn’t it like 410 whp on 91 pump gas with no bolt ons? Cause picking up about 80 hp on pump 91 is pretty impressive lol. At least in my opinion

Yeah I wonder how much power they could get it with basic bolt ons, might give them a call and see, not interested though, ecu tune=Warranty goes poof

 

[Vortex951]

Yeah I wonder how much power they could get it with basic bolt ons, might give them a call and see, not interested though, ecu tune=Warranty goes poof

Blame it on the dealer. Say they messed up the ecu when they fixed it haha

 

[OMG70]

Those numbers don't look bad to me all things considered. $600 for numbers that JB4 guys are making on Map 3? Sign me up

 

[Vortex951]

Those numbers don't look bad to me all things considered. $600 for numbers that JB4 guys are making on Map 3? Sign me up

For me personally I’d be more interested in the Tork back end flash. That way you can main the jb4 and run maps and fuels when ever you want instead being stuck on one tune for the most part unless you reflash or retune later.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Update to this
Looks like BTR has come out with an ecu tune for our cars
Alphaspeed Canned Tune ECU Service Kia Stinger 3.3TT / Genesis G70 3.3TT / Genesis G80 3.3TT
The power doesn’t look very appealing compared to the jb4 though.

Looking forward to when lap3 USA releases the ecu tune they are working on.

Nice find!

Those numbers don't look bad at all, but it depends on how they did it. JB4's bigger numbers are found with an intake, and either using E30 or WMI. I can't find any details on what other supporting mods (if any), and octane used (91 or 93) on their dyno. If it's all stock, then color me impressed.

The PRESSERTech tune is showing around 390whp on an otherwise stock engine. So this one *could* be better.

Also, I wonder if they have changed anything about the shifting, launch control, or spark duration...?

I have so many questions!! Haha.

Edit: just sent them an email with my questions. I'll post here with what they say!

 

[Vortex951]

Nice find!

Those numbers don't look bad at all, but it depends on how they did it. JB4's bigger numbers are found with an intake, and either using E30 or WMI. I can't find any details on what other supporting mods (if any), and octane used (91 or 93) on their dyno. If it's all stock, then color me impressed.

The PRESSERTech tune is showing around 390whp on an otherwise stock engine. So this one *could* be better.

Also, I wonder if they have changed anything about the shifting, launch control, or spark duration...?

I have so many questions!! Haha.

Edit: just sent them an email with my questions. I'll post here with what they say!

Todd always to the rescue!!!! I’m excited to know what the details are for sure

 

[OMG70]

For me personally I’d be more interested in the Tork back end flash. That way you can main the jb4 and run maps and fuels when ever you want instead being stuck on one tune for the most part unless you reflash or retune later.

I'd say that's the right route for those who want to tinker with their setup. For me, I only have access to 91 at the pump and I'm not interested in buying octane booster/E85, so I'll forgo the customization to make more "effortless" power

 

[Vortex951]

I'd say that's the right route for those who want to tinker with their setup. For me, I only have access to 91 at the pump and I'm not interested in buying octane booster/E85, so I'll forgo the customization to make more "effortless" power

Ya it’s one thing when you only have access to one fuel. I daily on map 2 with 91 as I don’t tend to drop the hammer as much as when I first got the car. Then when I’m feeling frisky or going to speedway or even to a roll race event I’ll run across town and mix a little e30 and run map3.

 

[BlackedOutG70]

Nice find!

Those numbers don't look bad at all, but it depends on how they did it. JB4's bigger numbers are found with an intake, and either using E30 or WMI. I can't find any details on what other supporting mods (if any), and octane used (91 or 93) on their dyno. If it's all stock, then color me impressed.

The PRESSERTech tune is showing around 390whp on an otherwise stock engine. So this one *could* be better.

Also, I wonder if they have changed anything about the shifting, launch control, or spark duration...?

I have so many questions!! Haha.

Edit: just sent them an email with my questions. I'll post here with what they say!

Have you gotten a reply outta them yet? Eager to find out the details lol, obsessed with tuning

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[Vortex951]

Have you gotten a reply outta them yet? Eager to find out the details lol, obsessed with tuning

There was another tune being talked about on the stinger forum. Kagantuned I believe. Todd has a bit more info as I think he talked to them. But they were getting over 400 whp on a bone stock car minus plugs being gapped appropriately and 93 octane.

 

[Toddasaurus]

There was another tune being talked about on the stinger forum. Kagantuned I believe. Todd has a bit more info as I think he talked to them. But they were getting over 400 whp on a bone stock car minus plugs being gapped appropriately and 93 octane.

Yeah, I sent a number of emails to Chris at KaganTuned - he's a really nice guy and gave me a ton of details about his tune. He seems to be more aggressive with timing and fuel control than others. Case in point, he's running his engine pretty lean at 12:1 AFR's on the current tune (93 octane), with plans to lean it down to 12.4:1. Up until now, most tuners have kept things richer than 12:1, for concerns of potential knock and running too hot.

I don't know where the line is in terms of what AFR is safe in our engines; but, most DI engines allow leaner running conditions compared to their port injected counterparts.

I'm planning on leaning my car out to 12:1 and checking on the plugs after a couple thousand miles and see how it looks. I assume it will be fine, since my AFR's with the JB4 are 11.8:1 already, so it's not a big difference, but it really seems like we make more power having it run a little leaner. But, again, the question still remains: how lean is too lean?

 

[Vortex951]

Yeah, I sent a number of emails to Chris at KaganTuned - he's a really nice guy and gave me a ton of details about his tune. He seems to be more aggressive with timing and fuel control than others. Case in point, he's running his engine pretty lean at 12:1 AFR's on the current tune (93 octane), with plans to lean it down to 12.4:1. Up until now, most tuners have kept things richer than 12:1, for concerns of potential knock and running too hot.

I don't know where the line is in terms of what AFR is safe in our engines; but, most DI engines allow leaner running conditions compared to their port injected counterparts.

I'm planning on leaning my car out to 12:1 and checking on the plugs after a couple thousand miles and see how it looks. I assume it will be fine, since my AFR's with the JB4 are 11.8:1 already, so it's not a big difference, but it really seems like we make more power having it run a little leaner. But, again, the question still remains: how lean is too lean?

well i know there is a safety built into the jb4 where if the afr is over 15.0:1 for more than one second it shuts down all power and i think also reverts back to map0. id assume anything in the 12 range is safe but in areas like where i live(las vegas)it gets up to 120+in the summer time so id love an afr in the low 11s for sumer time use to help keep it cool even though i wont be tracking the car or driving it super aggressive often during those months it will be nice if its in that area during said time.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Have you gotten a reply outta them yet? Eager to find out the details lol, obsessed with tuning

Sorry - I totally forgot to post what I learned after talking to them.

PRESSERTech's dyno was done with K&N flat panel filters, with everything else being stock. Here is a baseline dyno compared to their tuned result...



At first glance you almost begin to think that his dyno is reading low, with the stock numbers showing only 309 whp, thus his ~390whp is actually pretty dang good, right? On top of this, he said they ran the dyno when it was pretty hot and humid outside (something like 95 degrees F), so it's as if he's getting about a 90whp increase on an essentially stock engine. 93 octane, btw.

Look closer at the graph and see that they aren't comparing peak hp on the baseline, if you look at the bottom you see peak hp stock is 334whp, albeit at a lower RPM (~5.5k). They tuned it to get the biggest gains closer to redline, which is fine, but it's really only getting about 60whp more than stock.

Still, that's not bad, but it's nothing special. You may as well just use a JB4 for those gains. I also found that they REALLY messed with the throttle mapping, one user saying that it even messed up the kickdown on the throttle, making everything super sensitive compared to stock.

Considering the price if this tune, I personally don't think it's worth it, especially with the overly aggressive throttle mapping.


Edit: I have no idea what their AFR's are, or how they achieved the numbers they have. They wouldn't tell me anything how their tune.

 

[Toddasaurus]

well i know there is a safety built into the jb4 where if the afr is over 15.0:1 for more than one second it shuts down all power and i think also reverts back to map0. id assume anything in the 12 range is safe but in areas like where i live(las vegas)it gets up to 120+in the summer time so id love an afr in the low 11s for sumer time use to help keep it cool even though i wont be tracking the car or driving it super aggressive often during those months it will be nice if its in that area during said time.

I'm with you on that. I think for these leaner conditions an intercooler upgrade begins to make more sense.

Also, one more point I forgot to mention about Kagan's tune is that he's also using 93 octane for it. He says he will have a different map for 91 octane that won't be as aggressive. So, for those of us with lower octane at the pump, we won't be seeing those same gains.

 

[Vortex951]

I'm with you on that. I think for these leaner conditions an intercooler upgrade begins to make more sense.

Also, one more point I forgot to mention about Kagan's tune is that he's also using 93 octane for it. He says he will have a different map for 91 octane that won't be as aggressive. So, for those of us with lower octane at the pump, we won't be seeing those same gains.

do you think that 93 octane tune would be able to run as efficiently on e30?

 

[Vortex951]

i tried messing with the boostane pro again and im still 100 percent convinced the e30 make much more power even on the same map. id honestly say it feels like the booster is probably 10-20hp less than e30. you know according to the butt dyno. lol

 

[Toddasaurus]

do you think that 93 octane tune would be able to run as efficiently on e30?

That's a good question... I'm not sure. You've got two things to consider with e30 - first, it will act like running a higher octane fuel, which is good and potentially means you'd be even safer than running 93 at the pump on his tune, especially considering the leaner running conditions. But, second, ethanol requires even more fuel to make the same power than regular petrol/gasoline, so these leaner running conditions may actually be detrimental to power output.

I assume it would be just fine, and you probably would be just as efficient, if not moreso, to run E30 on that tune compared to regular 93 octane pump gas. But I don't know for sure. I don't know what kind of AFR's the JB4 runs when using ethanol mixes, as that would give us enough info to answer our question.

 

[Toddasaurus]

i tried messing with the boostane pro again and im still 100 percent convinced the e30 make much more power even on the same map. id honestly say it feels like the booster is probably 10-20hp less than e30. you know according to the butt dyno. lol

I believe it, actually. I've heard several people say they're making more power with E30 than with boostane. Even Terry @ BMS expressed the same thing.

 

[Vortex951]

ill try to run a few good map3 logs on both booster and then e30 and see howthey compare. then shoot em over to you and we can dig a little deeper into this. ill be excited when they release that stage 2 for full bolt ons as im almost there lol