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[ljnelson109]

Battery temperatures are what is important. With preconditioning, the correlation between the two is shaky.

I wish we had a way to pull up the temp on the dash. It would be nice to see where it is before starting a charge.

 

[brucek]

Thanks for posting this. Ambient temperatures would be a very good data point to add including the average speed you achieved for the session, how long you maintained the max speed, and whether or not you preconditioned.

Great stuff and keep up the good work!

How would I get the average speed of charge? All this information comes from the email they send after the session, but that is not part of the data.

I always precondition, but sometimes there is insufficient time to get the full benefit. When I go to the cigar shop to meet friends, I pass by KOP, and if I charge on the way home, I may get 10 minutes of preconditioning. I wish I could start before departure.

With this charging scenario, an EV is a good option for general use. I see no reason to own an ICE vehicle again, assuming the current trend of EV experience continues. The recalls and ICCU problems others have had are concerning. At the Thanksgiving table, I told others that the charge speed was a huge deal that I did not understand when shopping. As an owner, the under 20 minutes it takes is manageable, but it would be painful if it were over 30.

My original reason for the tracking chart was to quantify EV savings, which shows I have saved $410 in cost. Since I have already calculated that charging the GV60P is less expensive than putting premium fuel in the GV70 3.5 we almost bought, this $410 is actual savings in the first 2 months of ownership. I plan to put it into high-yield savings quarterly, combined with the trade allowance we would have received from trading in the G70 if we had bought the GV70. We sold it privately, so I put the cash away. At the end of the lease, I will have 25K+ in that account to buy out the car off lease or buy some other new car. Either way, in my mind, these funds cost me nothing since I would have had to spend the money anyway.

 

[Zcd1]

….At the Thanksgiving table, I told others that the charge speed was a huge deal that I did not understand when shopping. As an owner, the under 20 minutes it takes is manageable, but it would be painful if it were over 30.

Virtually nobody considering an EV understands this, because how would they? The manufacturers have all done a terrible job of educating customers about EVs in general.

Everyone discusses range, not understanding that unless you regularly drive more than 250 miles a day and can’t charge at home, total range really doesn’t matter.

Even higher L2 charging speeds don’t really matter, because with few exceptions, every EV on the market can be fully recharged overnight even at only 40 amps.

DCFC speed is key though, because it affects road tripping total time far more than range in most scenarios.

 

[gvjim]

I leave the regen at level 3 unless on the highway where I take it down to 0.

If I'm not mistaken, the regen setting changes how the vehicle responds to throttle input. When the radar cruise control is engaged, there is no throttle input, so the regen setting is ignored. Does that sound right?

When I'm on the highway, I use the radar cruise control 98% of the time. No throttle input. Generally the only exception would be when I need to change lanes in heavy traffic, then I pause the cruise control so I can adjust the speed to sneak into small spots. So I don't see any reason to adjust the regen level for highway driving - instead I use radar cruise control.

One advantage of this is that I can use the cruise pause button to decellerate. Say I'm going 60, but see stopped traffic ahead. Unfortunately, the cruise waits longer than I would like to slow down. So when I see the stopped traffic, I pause the cruise. This immediately engages one pedal mode, and the car slows down. After a few seconds I unpause the cruise and let it automatically bring me up behind the stopped/slow traffic, and the car takes care of it from there. Once you get the hang of it (which didn't take long) this is very smooth and easy. It's so smooth that my wife isn't even aware that I'm doing this (I try to tell her, but she's really not interested). I even do this quite a bit on surface streets now, that does take an extra button press when the light turns green.

I think from an efficiency point of view using cruise control is probably pretty much the same as using zero regen on the highway. But for me, I find this technique smoother and less stressful.

 

[gvjim]

Virtually nobody considering an EV understands this, because how would they? The manufacturers have all done a terrible job of educating customers about EVs in general.

Quite a few non-EV owners I've spoken to aren't even aware that there is such a thing as fast charging. They ask me "isn't it frustrating to have to wait for hours to charge when you're going on a trip?" Their jaws drop when I tell them I've never stopped to charge for more than 20 minutes.

I think the only way this will change is EV owners like us spreading the word, one person at a time. As the number of EV owners grow, the word will spread faster. Actually, I think that is already happening, but it will take time.

 

[brucek]

I wish we had a way to pull up the temp on the dash. It would be nice to see where it is before starting a charge.

You can get it as a widget on the dash


Or on the main display

 

[Artie Shane]

Or on the main display

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How do you get this?

 

[ljnelson109]

sorry for the confusion. I meant the battery temp. Modern cars have so much data in their ECM that they simply don't offer to the driver. And I find that the more "luxury" a car claims to be, the less details they provide. My Pacifica gave me engine coolant and oil temp as well as oil pressure. On a PHEV, it was actually kind of fascinating to watch the oil pressure as the engine turned on and off. Our Lincoln Corsair PHEV only has a fairly crude temp bar graph.

But, funny enough, did you notice that the "internet temp" in the widget is 2 degrees from the locally measure ambient temp on your main dash?

 

[Zcd1]

Quite a few non-EV owners I've spoken to aren't even aware that there is such a thing as fast charging. They ask me "isn't it frustrating to have to wait for hours to charge when you're going on a trip?" Their jaws drop when I tell them I've never stopped to charge for more than 20 minutes.

I think the only way this will change is EV owners like us spreading the word, one person at a time. As the number of EV owners grow, the word will spread faster. Actually, I think that is already happening, but it will take time.

Yep, had the same discussion and reaction at a Thanksgiving meal myself, plus dozens of other times in 7 years of EV ownership…

 

[noremacnova]

How do you get this?

Main menu / Climate

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[Looney100]

How would I get the average speed of charge? All this information comes from the email they send after the session, but that is not part of the data.

Take the total energy delivered and divide by the charging time.
The Car Scanner app can graph the charging session, so you could estimate an average from the chart.

 

[gvjim]

The Car Scanner app can graph the charging session, so you could estimate an average from the chart.

I have the Car Scanner app, but I didn't see an option to graph the charging session. Where is that in the user interface? I find that app to be super complicated and confusing (and I'm a professional software developer).

 

[EVsquatch]

If I'm not mistaken, the regen setting changes how the vehicle responds to throttle input. When the radar cruise control is engaged, there is no throttle input, so the regen setting is ignored. Does that sound right?

I'm not sure the regen setting impacts throttle input but rather with what intensity the regenerative braking is being applied unless that is what you meant by throttle input.

 

[EVsquatch]

Battery temperatures are what is important. With preconditioning, the correlation between the two is shaky.

In the absence of preconditioning, ambient temperature would be relevant since that would be expected to impact average and peak charging speeds.

 

[EVsquatch]

How would I get the average speed of charge? All this information comes from the email they send after the session, but that is not part of the data.

I always precondition, but sometimes there is insufficient time to get the full benefit. When I go to the cigar shop to meet friends, I pass by KOP, and if I charge on the way home, I may get 10 minutes of preconditioning. I wish I could start before departure.

With this charging scenario, an EV is a good option for general use. I see no reason to own an ICE vehicle again, assuming the current trend of EV experience continues. The recalls and ICCU problems others have had are concerning. At the Thanksgiving table, I told others that the charge speed was a huge deal that I did not understand when shopping. As an owner, the under 20 minutes it takes is manageable, but it would be painful if it were over 30.

My original reason for the tracking chart was to quantify EV savings, which shows I have saved $410 in cost. Since I have already calculated that charging the GV60P is less expensive than putting premium fuel in the GV70 3.5 we almost bought, this $410 is actual savings in the first 2 months of ownership. I plan to put it into high-yield savings quarterly, combined with the trade allowance we would have received from trading in the G70 if we had bought the GV70. We sold it privately, so I put the cash away. At the end of the lease, I will have 25K+ in that account to buy out the car off lease or buy some other new car. Either way, in my mind, these funds cost me nothing since I would have had to spend the money anyway.

Average speed of charge isn't provided in the summary but you can calculate it easily. Take the total kWh delivered number and divide it by the total time you charged. Then take that number and multiply it by 60.

 

[gvjim]

with what intensity the regenerative braking is being applied unless that is what you meant by throttle input

Yes, that is what I meant.

When using the cruise control, the regen setting is meaningless because you're not using the throttle - the computer is controlling accelleration/decelleration directly.

 

[brucek]

Average speed of charge isn't provided in the summary but you can calculate it easily. Take the total kWh delivered number and divide it by the total time you charged. Then take that number and multiply it by 60.

I am an engineer by degree, but getting older means I do not think about solutions as much. Or at least that is teh story I am sticking with.

Here is the added column. The slow KOP charge on 10.17 was because I wanted to get to 95% for my long drive to CT. It was my longest wait for a charge, and I should have skipped it to go to a different location, but did not due to toll roads and the need to get off to charge.

 

[Looney100]

In the absence of preconditioning, ambient temperature would be relevant since that would be expected to impact average and peak charging speeds.

No one that cares about temperatures is charging without preconditioning.

 

[gvjim]

It was my longest wait for a charge, and I should have skipped it to go to a different location

There are a lot of EV drivers out there for which 27 minutes would be their shortest charge session ever - many in cars with poor charging curves waiting for an hour or more to get up to 100%.

It looks like you've driven about 2500-3000 miles in 7 weeks. Sounds like you're having a lot of fun!

 

[steveinarizona]

No one that cares about temperatures is charging without preconditioning.

Which is why it is inexplicable to me that Genesis has not provided an ability to hit a button (even an info screen button) to precondition. I am not a software engineer but it seems like it should be simple since there is already a pathway to preconditioning through the nav system. A lot of times a driver knows where she is going, how to get there, and what charging stations are enroute but simply wants to be able to precondition the battery without setting a destination.