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[ljnelson109]

Which is why it is inexplicable to me that Genesis has not provided an ability to hit a button (even an info screen button) to precondition. I am not a software engineer but it seems like it should be simple since there is already a pathway to preconditioning through the nav system. A lot of times a driver knows where she is going, how to get there, and what charging stations are enroute but simply wants to be able to precondition the battery without setting a destination.

.... and some information regarding the status of the precondition. I used nav to route to my preferred charger, but then ended up sitting there for 30 minutes waiting to charge. It pre-conditioned on the way there, but showed that I had arrived. The pre-conditioning appeared to end. While I sat there, did the battery cool off? I have no idea.

 

[EVsquatch]

No one that cares about temperatures is charging without preconditioning.

Ambient temperature impacts how long and how much preconditioning is needed which impacts the efficiency of the vehicle since when you are preconditioning, you are drawing more power from the HV. When you precondition, you are trading off efficiency for a higher rate of charge when you DC fast charge. Preconditioning isn't a free lunch.

Generally speaking, it's always better to have more data points.

 

[Looney100]

Which is why it is inexplicable to me that Genesis has not provided an ability to hit a button (even an info screen button) to precondition. I am not a software engineer but it seems like it should be simple since there is already a pathway to preconditioning through the nav system. A lot of times a driver knows where she is going, how to get there, and what charging stations are enroute but simply wants to be able to precondition the battery without setting a destination.

100%! Thank god the nav can be muted. The first time I had to set an alternate charger as destination because the one I was going to wasn’t in the system, I almost went mad from the constant prompts to turn. I don’t know why a timed manual activation isn’t available.

Ambient temperature impacts how long and how much preconditioning is needed which impacts the efficiency of the vehicle since when you are preconditioning, you are drawing more power from the HV. When you precondition, you are trading off efficiency for a higher rate of charge when you DC fast charge. Preconditioning isn't a free lunch.

Generally speaking, it's always better to have more data points.

No argument from me. If I had to choose between ambient temp and battery temp, I’m choosing battery temp every time. The correlation between the two breaks substantially in a climate as cold as the one that I live in.

 

[brucek]

There are a lot of EV drivers out there for which 27 minutes would be their shortest charge session ever - many in cars with poor charging curves waiting for an hour or more to get up to 100%.

It looks like you've driven about 2500-3000 miles in 7 weeks. Sounds like you're having a lot of fun!

The wait I complained about was the wait to get into a charger. It is the only time I waited more than a couple minutes for a stall to open up.
About 2200 miles. The dealership charged it to 100% when I took delivery, and I doubt I have spent more than 1.5 hr of Lvl1/2 charging.

A lot of times a driver knows where she is going, how to get there, and what charging stations are enroute but simply wants to be able to precondition the battery without setting a destination.

I suspect it is a bit more complex since preconditioning can mean different things in different climates. If I were king, I would allow a selection where I could set the time until I plan to arrive at a DCFC and make a selection of between 5 min and 300 minutes. Why go so high on the max end? If I travel and want to use a different navigation system, it will allow me to leave a charger and go to the next one without needing to remember to turn pre-conditioning on when I get X distance out.

 

[EVsquatch]

100%! Thank god the nav can be muted. The first time I had to set an alternate charger as destination because the one I was going to wasn’t in the system, I almost went mad from the constant prompts to turn. I don’t know why a timed manual activation isn’t available.

No argument from me. If I had to choose between ambient temp and battery temp, I’m choosing battery temp every time. The correlation between the two breaks substantially in a climate as cold as the one that I live in.

Battery temperature would be great to have but it isn't as easily accessible as ambient temperature. In the absence of a full preconditioning cycle or if you don't precondition at all for whatever reason, ambient temperature helps you interpret charging rate and efficiency. It's basically free.

 

[steveinarizona]

This entire post, to me, represents the current problem for many people with EVs. Can you imagine such a conversation on a BMW 3 series ICE car? Most people want to simply get in their car, know an approximate range, see the gas gauge and decide when to stop.

Eventually, I hope, we will get there. I think Hyundai corp is leading the way by having not only luxury cars but even more basic cars like the Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 boasting high speed recharge rates. As we all know, that can lead to shorter stops with smaller batteries; we just need more EV fast chargers similar to gas stations. Smaller batteries, in turn, are not only less expensive but better for the environment.

 

[EVsquatch]

This entire post, to me, represents the current problem for many people with EVs. Can you imagine such a conversation on a BMW 3 series ICE car? Most people want to simply get in their car, know an approximate range, see the gas gauge and decide when to stop.

Eventually, I hope, we will get there. I think Hyundai corp is leading the way by having not only luxury cars but even more basic cars like the Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 boasting high speed recharge rates. As we all know, that can lead to shorter stops with smaller batteries; we just need more EV fast chargers similar to gas stations. Smaller batteries, in turn, are not only less expensive but better for the environment.

Pay the man!

Too often when people are looking at EVs they are focused on total range. But you really should be focused on efficiency and maximum charging speed.

The e-GMP platform and the 800v charging capability is one of the big reasons I chose the GV60 over other vehicles that had more range on paper. The bigger the HV battery the less efficient it is. I will take efficiency and fast charging rate over range and battery size any day (unless you plan on towing - which EVs just don't do well with unless you have a huge and very inefficient battery).

In 9 months of driving I'm averaging 3.7 mi/kWh in my GV60P in a custom drive mode with mixed driving (60/40 highway/city) and I am pleasantly surprised with that.

I have also been surprised at how much EA has improved. It hasn't been perfect, but compared to 2 years ago it has been night and day. A consistent charging experience on a 350 kWh charger means 10-80 in <20 minutes and I have yet to charge longer than the 30 minute free session and I have also never sat around waiting for the vehicle to charge because most rest stops take at least 20 minutes.

 

[Looney100]

This entire post, to me, represents the current problem for many people with EVs. Can you imagine such a conversation on a BMW 3 series ICE car? Most people want to simply get in their car, know an approximate range, see the gas gauge and decide when to stop.

Yup. As much as I enjoy my GV60, road tripping an EV is FAR from a worry-free experience. You MUST have a plan as to where you're going to stop to charge and have a BACKUP plan for if your original plan doesn't work out.
I think your MO of renting an ICE vehicle when heading out of town has a lot of charm to it.

 

[brucek]

Battery temperature would be great to have but it isn't as easily accessible as ambient temperature. In the absence of a full preconditioning cycle or if you don't precondition at all for whatever reason, ambient temperature helps you interpret charging rate and efficiency. It's basically free.

I previously put an ODBC connector in my car to help with ABRP, and I looked at the data today. ABRP displays the battery temperature, so I will start tracking it.

 

[Locutus]

I previously put an ODBC connector in my car to help with ABRP, and I looked at the data today. ABRP displays the battery temperature, so I will start tracking it.

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Does this require ABRP Premium? I presume yes, but wanted to be sure.

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[gvjim]

Does this require ABRP Premium? I presume yes, but wanted to be sure.

Yes. Premium is well worth it, IMHO.

 

[brucek]

Does this require ABRP Premium? I presume yes, but wanted to be sure.

It requires Premium and an ODBC Bluetooth adapter. I still need to learn to use ABRP better as I still struggle to get what I want from it for directions.


I got that one, which was recommended by someone on this forum.

Amazon.com

 

[Locutus]

Yes. Premium is well worth it, IMHO.

Turns out is does not require Premium. I picked up an OBD (Vgate iCar Pro) a few weeks back and have been using Car Scanner, I tried to pair it with my ABRP and it worked without having a Premium subscription. Of course it disconnected from CarScanner when I paired with with ABRP. Without a Premium subscription to ABRP I am not able to see it in Android Auto, but it is a cleaner interface for seeing battery temperature than Car Scanner...so I might start using ABRP more and get a Premium Subscription. I had been using ABRP to plan a route then using Google Maps / Native Nav (when I need to pre-condition...ggrr) to actually navigate.

 

[brucek]

I previously put an ODBC connector in my car to help with ABRP, and I looked at the data today. ABRP displays the battery temperature, so I will start tracking it.

Today is the first time I used a DCFC since the temps have dropped. With preconditioning, the battery temp was 78.8F when I charged today, and using an EA 150 station, I had 173KW max speed, which is the same as prior experience at this station. I have an average charge rate of 152, which is also in normal range.

 

[Looney100]

If you haven’t already, you should set up a screen to show how much power a)the car is requesting; b) the charger is attempting to deliver, and; c)what it’s actually delivering.
It will identify what is the bottleneck when you see slow charge rates.

 

[abh]

Hello,
I bought a year old loaner Genesis EV from the dealer. While the dealership told me I'm not eligible for the complimentary EA charging, the sales guy also gave me the code (engine #) needed to charge and basically said "give it a shot." I've never used EA (actually only Level 1 at home so far but may need a public charger soon for trips etc.) For anyone experienced with EA charging, will the code alone be enough? I realize the deal is for first owners only but not sure how they'd track that. Thx

 

[noremacnova]

Hello,
I bought a year old loaner Genesis EV from the dealer. While the dealership told me I'm not eligible for the complimentary EA charging, the sales guy also gave me the code (engine #) needed to charge and basically said "give it a shot." I've never used EA (actually only Level 1 at home so far but may need a public charger soon for trips etc.) For anyone experienced with EA charging, will the code alone be enough? I realize the deal is for first owners only but not sure how they'd track that. Thx

If the vehicle was only a loaner, it’s possible that the EA deal was never activated for your VIN. Give it a try!

 

[brucek]

Hello,
I bought a year old loaner Genesis EV from the dealer. While the dealership told me I'm not eligible for the complimentary EA charging, the sales guy also gave me the code (engine #) needed to charge and basically said "give it a shot." I've never used EA (actually only Level 1 at home so far but may need a public charger soon for trips etc.) For anyone experienced with EA charging, will the code alone be enough? I realize the deal is for first owners only but not sure how they'd track that. Thx

In the EA app on your phone, go into plans and browse plans, then use the engine number as a code to enroll in the plan. I would see if that works for you.

 

[abh]

In the EA app on your phone, go into plans and browse plans, then use the engine number as a code to enroll in the plan. I would see if that works for you.

I actually played around with the app a few minutes ago and it seems to have worked. Thanks

 

[OrthoGV60]

I pulled in tonight and multiple cats were charging past 90% I wish there was a mandatory etiquette video when you buy and EV or EA should cut people off at 80% if there is a queue. There new prompts are not working.