Extended warranty - has anybody bought one? Do any Genesis dealers sell them at a discount?

[EdP]

AWD explains the high starter R&R. A lot has to come out to get to it.

Oh, I thought I'd read before the V6 ones have the auto start/stop, but maybe that's just the current body style. It's that horrible feature that shuts off the engine when you're stopped at a light with your foot on the brake, and starts the engine back up when you take your foot off the brake. If you have that "feature", it's always on by default when you start the car so you'd know if you had it.

However, that has a much better starter than the typical car. It is far more rugged and part of a system to do the more frequent starts.

 

[GnatGoSplat]

However, that has a much better starter than the typical car. It is far more rugged and part of a system to do the more frequent starts.

It may be, but if it has to kick in dozens of times a day, it can't last forever.
I've driven several rental Hyundai/Kia vehicles with the feature. Last one a '25 Kia Telluride. I hate it (the feature - the SUV itself was decent). Laggy off the line and AC quits blowing cold. Doesn't remember the disabled setting, so it has to be disabled every start. I don't care about the negligible fuel saving, so the feature is all drawbacks with no benefits for me.

 

[LBTX]

What bothers me about this feature ( I've had it on rental cars) and others is that they never asked the person during these cars is this a feature you want. These car companies all seem to follow the crowd versus actually talking to the end user. Who the heck on TX, az or other hot states want the damn AC to shut off while sitting at a 2 minute red light in the middle of August? No one. At least they got it right with the touch screens and general use of buttons for the mundane every day things.

 

[SoCalG90]

AWD explains the high starter R&R. A lot has to come out to get to it.

Oh, I thought I'd read before the V6 ones have the auto start/stop, but maybe that's just the current body style. It's that horrible feature that shuts off the engine when you're stopped at a light with your foot on the brake, and starts the engine back up when you take your foot off the brake. If you have that "feature", it's always on by default when you start the car so you'd know if you had it.

For the most part, the ASS (auto stop start) is bad for the motor. The bearings need the constant oil pressure to keep things where they should be. If the oil is not where it should be (like if it drains away from the bearings when your car is off), then when it does start up, the oil is not there.

I recently watched a video from a German mechanic that explained how the system works and why it is bad for your car. It is kind of common sense, unlike the government regulation that created this system.

 

[EdP]

For the most part, the ASS (auto stop start) is bad for the motor. The bearings need the constant oil pressure to keep things where they should be. If the oil is not where it should be (like if it drains away from the bearings when your car is off), then when it does start up, the oil is not there.

I recently watched a video from a German mechanic that explained how the system works and why it is bad for your car. It is kind of common sense, unlike the government regulation that created this system.

Commonly know as ISG. Idle, Stop, Go.
Did he mention the electric oil pump to maintain pressure? Did he show the starter motor that is not at all like the ones we otherwise use?

 

[GnatGoSplat]

Commonly know as ISG. Idle, Stop, Go.
Did he mention the electric oil pump to maintain pressure? Did he show the starter motor that is not at all like the ones we otherwise use?

Electric oil pumps aren't common in auto start/stop systems. Are you sure the Hyundai/Kia system has one? From what I've read, it's not necessary as these systems only activate when the engine is at operating temps and oil flow is optimal. They'll restart after idling so long, I assume to prevent the engine/oil cooling excessively. I read one Porsche system had an auxiliary electric oil pump, but removed it in later years as it proved unnecessary.

If I owned a car with such a system, I'd want to permanently disable it and just enjoy the fact I have a starter that's greatly overbuilt for the amount of utilization and enjoy the possibility that I'll never have to replace it in my lifetime.

Neither here nor there, but kind of a fun fact: Most of the time, the starter motor is designed for better longevity, but looks and works like a standard gear reduction starter. They bolt onto the same location, mount similarly, but just beefier with a strengthened flywheel. Other systems use a more unusual design where the alternator and starter are one integrated unit. I believe the current G90 uses such a system. The integrated starter/alternator are more common in mild hybrids. I'd guess those systems are much easier to service, being on the front of the engine instead of underneath. They're also brushless, so likely more reliable than even conventional style auto start/stop starters.

 

[srobak]

What bothers me about this feature ( I've had it on rental cars) and others is that they never asked the person during these cars is this a feature you want. These car companies all seem to follow the crowd versus actually talking to the end user. Who the heck on TX, az or other hot states want the damn AC to shut off while sitting at a 2 minute red light in the middle of August? No one. At least they got it right with the touch screens and general use of buttons for the mundane every day things.

I believe this was federally mandated for some time (to be opt-out, per start), and that requirement has been yanked with the current administration. Expect that to reverse yet again when the pendulum swings again in the future.

That being said - $2k for a starter??? Even with a tow and labor.... just - wow. Genny really does think they are Merc/BMW/Audi - don't they? Seriously losing touch with their original target market even more

 

[EdP]

Electric oil pumps aren't common in auto start/stop systems. Are you sure the Hyundai/Kia system has one?

Yes, in fact, there was a recall on a few for a circuit board problem.

 

[GnatGoSplat]

I believe this was federally mandated for some time (to be opt-out, per start), and that requirement has been yanked with the current administration. Expect that to reverse yet again when the pendulum swings again in the future.

That being said - $2k for a starter??? Even with a tow and labor.... just - wow. Genny really does think they are Merc/BMW/Audi - don't they? Seriously losing touch with their original target market even more

I don't believe we'll see much influence from US politics either way. The US is a large market, but it's not dominant any more. EU, China, Japan, and South Korea have all committed to stringent emissions and fuel economy targets. Automakers build powertrains to meet the toughest standards, not the most lenient ones. It's cheaper to engineer one global standard vehicle and adapt minor features for each market than to design completely separate versions.

The starter itself isn't that expensive, under $350.

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I'd bet the main cost is labor. It may not be a Merc or BMW, but they're similar in design. Longitudinal engine in a unibody car with subframe, AWD transfer case, front diff and axle going through the oil pan. I don't have access to a G90 service manual, but I do have access to some years of Mercedes S-Class and BMW 7-series service manuals. This design typically requires suspending the engine from above, unbolting the suspension (control arms, sway bar, etc), unbolting some engine-to-subframe motor mounts, then dropping the rear of the subframe to access the starter. Whole bunch of tubes, wire harnesses, and brackets along the way as well. Audi is a bit different (they are weirdly designed), but not a lot better. This is what had me considering whether I needed AWD, but ended up getting it as to the wife, it's a "must have" and I got a CPO car with warranty.

 

[LBTX]

and I got a CPO car with warranty

Smart move

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